4flagsin5yrs
Premiership Player
Good chance to miss the 8.Yep an injury prone player,a cultural deadbeat and someone who REALLY loves to have a good time.
Won’t make top 4.
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Good chance to miss the 8.Yep an injury prone player,a cultural deadbeat and someone who REALLY loves to have a good time.
Won’t make top 4.
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Who have the overpaid for though?I remember hearing an interview with Stephen Wells a few years back, who held the mantra that sometimes you have to pay overs to get the player you want, because you don't have to 'win' every trade. His belief was that all parties should walk away happy after any trade.
Which is one of the reasons why they've been as successful as they've been over many years. And from what I've seen of Austin so far, he seems to have a similar philosophy - which I personally find refreshing after our previous list manager who successfully managed to clog up a number of trade periods, similar to Dodoro.
30 is the new 26.His medicals aren't the issue. It's his form and the fact he's 30.
I'd try and get 12 before hand and pass that on, keep 11.11 and 31 for SDK.
Get it done Austin ffs.
Do not **** this up!
i reckon that's the plan...I'd try and get 12 before hand and pass that on, keep 11.
Smith out of contract, Houston is not.Is Smith > > Houston?
(not similar players granted but on a cost comparison basis?)
Lachie Henderson?Who have the overpaid for though?
No interest from the point of when it was known he was coming to Victoria, we didn’t show interest and reach out to his party, his party reached out to usThese two paras seem to directly contradict each other…..
No need to be sorry, loved it and I understand, but my post was mostly replying to your point that we have about 5 players supposedly close to $1M compared to Geelongs 1 and how that might affect us.Because the 5 salaries are staggered so that they aren't getting paid the big $$$ all in the same year. The difference between actual AFL contracts and reported AFL contracts is that very very very few are set amounts/year. So when a reporter say X will earn $8million over 7 seasons, the media and the public go, wow that guys getting $1.15m a year every year for 7 years.
Where as its traditionally done either back ended, front ended or in our case at the moment more like a bell graph. So having each of these bell graphs contracts staggered means in any given year only one or two of the players will actually be receiving the highest earning point of their salary.
They have also all taken under compared to the market value and offers they have received.
Brisbane and other teams definitely have deals like that, some not as many as others, but all have marquee higher earners.
The reason Brisbane, Sydney and Collingwood have been able to manage over the last couple of years is because they have secured academy and father son top end talent who are on locked contracts for their first three years. This has helped them succeed now, but kicks the can down the road. Collingwood is finding it hard to retain some middling best 22 players this year because Daicos is now out of his draftee contract. It's also what has caught up with the Dogs the last couple of years.
This is why refilling from the draft is so important, not only does it refresh your list but it also refreshes your salary cap.
As stated in an earlier post, the difference between Owies, Young, Cunningham and 3 draftees could be close to 1mil in cap space. Obviously have 35 players between 23 and 28 on a list would be ideal, but its simple not possible to keep that many players of AFL standard happy financially and game timewise.
That's the tricky balance of List Management, having enough 1-3 year players to allow you to pay your prime players, and hoping that from those drafted players, a high % go on to being top tier players, as the older ones start to get to the back end of their contracts which are designed to taper off and then a collection of role players who are team driven but happen to not be lured away by other clubs for higher figures.
This is the sustainability model that allows you to stay a competitive team year on year. Getting full club buy in that you will earn fairly throughout your career, earning the most when you are in the age bracket to be delivering the most, but building the confidence of both the younger and older players that everyone will get their lick of the ice cream. Once this becomes ingrained within a clubs DNA you find that players will stay for less with the desire for success that leave for the lucrative deals that other clubs will throw at them.
Some clubs find it very tough, player managers these days are on another planet. They look to get their players taken in the first round contract extensions in excess of $600k+ before they have even played a game. That is another reason why club culture as well as the club have positive relationships with player managers is so important.
(As i mention a while ago in regards to the Martin situation)
Once again to reference Geelong, up until last years tomfoolery, they just got deals done, they didn't haggle to much, they were happy to identify the player they wanted, and do what was required to get the deal done.
That built up repour is not something that is quickly forgotten within the industry.
Although the AFL seems like a massive business, there really isn't that many people involved. So you don't want to burn bridges to often for the sake of making a 'ruthless' point.
Unless there is a very serious point that needs to be made.
Sorry for the long winded reply. Hopefully I've articulated this well enough.
Did they?Lachie Henderson?
Seeing Geelong lose a GF and then afford a Cameron type player, for them to have cap space to buy pick 7 off GC and now being able to target Smith, Oliver and Martin with no hint of cap pressure and our club constantly being mentioned as being under pressure is worthy of discussion.
A first round pick. 100% they overpaid for himDid they?
Smiths Cotton On deal is a doozy, with my tin foil hat on I wouldn’t be surprised that this was a long term plan that was pretty much a win/win for them.If Geelong were Carlton and Cotton On were VISY then the AFL would have shut this down.
They have 14 current Geelong players under marketing contracts.
Smith and Oliver have the same manager who helped Smith sign the Cotton On deal.
Come on now.
E: before anyone links to the article that claims they only have two this was already proven to be BS.
They’re best mates, was in SOS’s bridal party
Smiths Cotton On deal is a doozy, with my tin foil hat on I wouldn’t be surprised that this was a long term plan that was pretty much a win/win for them.
I’ve dealt with the guys from Cotton On on a number of occasions, they are very very smart, ruthless, more pro active & more market leading then reactive.
They changed the market & set the new norm when it comes to there leases.
Yep I know, just funny I think Jack knows what he’s doing by posting thatThey’re best mates, was in SOS’s bridal party
If Geelong were Carlton and Cotton On were VISY then the AFL would have shut this down.
They have 14 current Geelong players under marketing contracts.
Smith and Oliver have the same manager who helped Smith sign the Cotton On deal.
Come on now.
E: before anyone links to the article that claims they only have two this was already proven to be BS.
Sadly there are even opposition supporters who refuse to call it out. “Geelong are just very well run.”
I remember that guy from Sledge Hammer, he's a ripperThere is little known codicil in the AFL constitution
If there are any rules that benefit all sides but one of those sides is Carlton then we didn’t mean it.
I think Geelong really pisses us off when u look at there advantages & strength as a club.
We got right royally ****ed with Princess Park, it should have had major investment way back when & used for games with low attendance.
We wouldn’t have had a home ground advantage as it would never have been big enough for our crowds but we got nothing instead of a massive passive income.
Seeing Geelong make money hand over fist & a big home ground advantage hurts.
The fact they have done some incredibly dodgy shit to supplement there cap & gotten away with it just adds to the spiky end of the pineapple we received.
If you tell me something I’ll believe you, it’s all good, the concern is then, why don’t we?If Geelong were Carlton and Cotton On were VISY then the AFL would have shut this down.
They have 14 current Geelong players under marketing contracts.
Smith and Oliver have the same manager who helped Smith sign the Cotton On deal.
Come on now.
E: before anyone links to the article that claims they only have two this was already proven to be BS.