Rumour Bluemour Discussion XXXVII

[The Bighouse]

of course you can...
Contracts in all walks of life are renegotiated, amended, ended - unilaterally or by consent - every day....

you can pay a contracted player out, but that's a more expensive option as you're paying (as an example) Owies' contract next year as well as the contract of the player that was moved on for effectively the same list spot. The contracted payers wage stays in the TPP.

Purely making up numbers here, but if Owies is $400k next year (have deliberately gone a decent amount but still way under that HS report that was quashed by his manager) and another one of our contracted smalls is on $250k, we're now paying $650k for that list spot.

Alternatively we could put that $400k towards other players extensions (JW, TDK, AC, etc) or a new player coming in.

still counts in the TPP though

Owies is my preferred “small” forward in our team but this is a play for someone that could (potentially) net us a pick and had more $ on their contract, which we’re trying to reduce mid-tier salaries on our list whilst also avoiding costly payouts included in the S/C.

Prefer to be trading Motlop. Fanta at 2yrs was a mistake.
Durd’s should be on MIN chips. Fog has had his moments and provides pressure. Cott’s plays a role but they all have contracts for ‘25.

Possible change in tact up forward with Kemp, Moir and ZW (continuing) up forward + anyone else arriving.

List & Salary Cap management unfort for Owies (a successful Cat B developed player).

 

[Aphrodite]

 

[muzza99]

What are we thinking the owies deal will net us?

Space for Curnow to lead into

 

[NavySteel]

Not even the players are ITK!!

Austin managing a tight ship, it seems!

 

[Blue By Blood]

To me it sounds like he wants Carlton to offer Port something they will accept so he can come to us.

I will be surprised if he gets to us tbh and think he may well stay another year, depending on him and his girl friend being happy with that scenario.

It’s been this way the whole time hence why he never nominated a club. He wanted us, wasn’t sure we could get it done, so he’s held off and bought time for us.. and in the meantime other teams have tried to muscle in so he’s now got himself some backup options should we not be able to get it done.

 

[Crippablues]

Not even the players are ITK!!

Austin managing a tight ship, it seems!

Even if they did know they would never say it publicly

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[SkyhorseTamer]

He has been in the AFL system for 8 seasons. Name a player that has improved significantly after 26.

Patrick Cripps

 

[4flagsin5yrs]

Yeah its not just a coincedence that all the"big name" player deals drag through the whole week of the trade until the last day or two.
I don't believe we're all that naive to think other wise?

he did say "most".....

 

[Sam The Doc]

Not even the players are ITK!!

Austin managing a tight ship, it seems!

More just got to be careful what they say...

Media on Wedneday last week told Crisp that Houston was playing for them next year... He also to his benefit handled it well......

 

[T2B_]

Patrick Cripps

Yeah reckon there's quite a few who've probably improved a lot into their late twenties. How old was Dane Swan when he jumped up a level?

 

[RPCB]

Not even the players are ITK!!

Austin managing a tight ship, it seems!

I am surprised Jacob Weitering doesn’t know more than he knows. This is his view when he walks into the office every day.

 

[Pablito]

What about 12, 14, Owies and Kennedy for NM pick 2 and 44.

That unlocks the Caleb Daniel

35

Caleb Daniel

Age

28

Ht

171cm

Wt

72kg

Pos.

M/F

Career

Season

Last 5

D

21.3

5star

K

11.5

4star

HB

9.8

5star

M

3.5

4star

T

2.9

4star

CL

1.4

4star

D

19.5

4star

K

11.1

4star

HB

8.4

4star

M

3.6

4star

T

2.0

3star

CL

1.0

3star

D

16.4

4star

K

7.2

3star

HB

9.2

5star

M

3.4

4star

T

2.6

4star

CL

0.2

2star

deal and Luke Parker

26

Luke Parker

Age

32

Ht

183cm

Wt

88kg

Pos.

Mid

Career

Season

Last 5

D

24.2

5star

K

12.6

5star

HB

11.6

5star

M

3.8

4star

T

5.6

5star

CL

5.8

5star

D

22.1

5star

K

12.3

5star

HB

9.9

5star

M

3.9

4star

T

5.0

5star

CL

5.5

5star

D

21.2

5star

K

11.4

4star

HB

9.8

5star

M

2.0

3star

T

8.0

5star

CL

5.2

5star

deal for them. (14 for Daniel, shift down 12 for 19 and Parker). And also 4 mature players that would be in their best 22.

We get more points and the high picks.

 

[Blue since 72]

It’s been this way the whole time hence why he never nominated a club. He wanted us, wasn’t sure we could get it done, so he’s held off and bought time for us.. and in the meantime other teams have tried to muscle in so he’s now got himself some backup options should we not be able to get it done.

I feel who he wants to play for will have a big say in it though, hence why I think he may end up staying, loves Port and all that. There seems to be this assumption by the media in particular that he wants to get to Melbourne no matter what and must pick someone.

And to add to that if Austin snags a higher pick from trading our two that would put it to bed for us anyway.

 

[marcmurphy3]

What about 12, 14, Owies and Kennedy for NM pick 2 and 44.

That unlocks the Caleb Daniel deal and Luke Parker deal for them. (14 for Daniel, shift down 12 for 19 and Parker). And also 4 mature players that would be in their best 22.

We get more points and the high picks.

I don't think Owies and Kennedy deals will be attached to anything meaningful. Trend is clubs keep those deals separate so as to not dilute valuable assets for players they could get for next to nothing.

I think 12 + 14 for 2 is unlikely but not impossible in the right circumstances but we get nothing back.

 

[goreds]

Any news on specific player movement?

He said Blues need to get pick inside top 5 if possible, they have that opportunity if cards fall correctly. Picks at 10-20 always a risk and odds against getting them right...

 

[Benaly28]

What about 12, 14, Owies and Kennedy for NM pick 2 and 44.

That unlocks the Caleb Daniel

35

Caleb Daniel

Age

28

Ht

171cm

Wt

72kg

Pos.

M/F

Career

Season

Last 5

D

21.3

5star

K

11.5

4star

HB

9.8

5star

M

3.5

4star

T

2.9

4star

CL

1.4

4star

D

19.5

4star

K

11.1

4star

HB

8.4

4star

M

3.6

4star

T

2.0

3star

CL

1.0

3star

D

16.4

4star

K

7.2

3star

HB

9.2

5star

M

3.4

4star

T

2.6

4star

CL

0.2

2star

deal and Luke Parker

26

Luke Parker

Age

32

Ht

183cm

Wt

88kg

Pos.

Mid

Career

Season

Last 5

D

24.2

5star

K

12.6

5star

HB

11.6

5star

M

3.8

4star

T

5.6

5star

CL

5.8

5star

D

22.1

5star

K

12.3

5star

HB

9.9

5star

M

3.9

4star

T

5.0

5star

CL

5.5

5star

D

21.2

5star

K

11.4

4star

HB

9.8

5star

M

2.0

3star

T

8.0

5star

CL

5.2

5star

deal for them. (14 for Daniel, shift down 12 for 19 and Parker). And also 4 mature players that would be in their best 22.

We get more points and the high picks.

No thanks.


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[SurreyBlue]

Space for Curnow to lead into

Muzza - I have few mates who have been filthy with Owies due to this very reason.

 

[Coops93]

Muzza - I have few mates who have been filthy with Owies due to this very reason.

A couple footy shows in the year showed footage of it too. He was constantly just standing in the middle of the leading lanes.

 

[goreds]

No thanks.


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Geez, pick 2, that's a STAR right there!

*I'm not a fan personally of spec pics outside of top 10, especially with bids coming...

 

[4flagsin5yrs]

Muzza - I have few mates who have been filthy with Owies due to this very reason.

to be fair, Charlie hasn't lead since circa 2019!

 

[Aphrodite]

 

[I bleed Blue]

Going to be sad to see Owies go. Always played with heart and gave it everything he had despite his limitations. Got the best out of himself.

See him being pushed out just a compound of a bad list management decision.

2 years for Fantasia was a bad call, and now it's cost Owies a spot.

 

[4flagsin5yrs]

Going to be sad to see Owies go. Always played with heart and gave it everything he had despite his limitations. Got the best out of himself.

See him being pushed out just a compound of a bad list management decision.

2 years for Fantasia was a bad call, and now it's cost Owies a spot.

hope Matt gets there and kicks 50 next year!

 

[skadoosh]

 

[RAPPA]

hope Matt gets there and kicks 50 next year!

Don't even think the combined total of goals from Williams, Durdin, Moltop and Fantasia will hit 50 haha.