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[DangerousD]

Well summarised.

I think there's another element that the previous poster hasn't recognised. Yes it is indeed a risk to sign TDK to this contract. But it's also a risk not to sign him to it. There's a very large possibility that if we don't and he continues to perform at a high level, he will receive massive offers to leave. He would also be more likely to consider those offers given we haven't committed to him. Risk goes both ways in these scenarios.

My angle is more that we seem to have 6-7 players on really large $$$ contracts and we have very little to show for it, in terms of on field success. I see this as being the reason we have been quiet on the player acquisition front the last two years.

I look at Brisbane, Collingwood and Geelong, the past 3 premiership winners and I don’t see them handing out deals like we have.

Other than Williams, our other players all deserved the deals they got and perform accordingly, they all had runs on the board, Tom compared to them seems like a much riskier play.

Now if our existing contracts weren’t tied to the TPP increases like it’s reported Essendons aren’t, then I’d feel a lot more comfortable.

I’ll be happy if Tom re signs, just a little nervous about the $$$, that’s all

 

[JustOneTime]

My angle is more that we seem to have 6-7 players on really large $$$ contracts and we have very little to show for it, in terms of on field success. I see this as being the reason we have been quiet on the player acquisition front the last two years.

I look at Brisbane, Collingwood and Geelong, the past 3 premiership winners and I don’t see them handing out deals like we have.

Other than Williams, our other players all deserved the deals they got and perform accordingly, they all had runs on the board, Tom compared to them seems like a much riskier play.

Now if our existing contracts weren’t tied to the TPP increases like it’s reported Essendons aren’t, then I’d feel a lot more comfortable.

I’ll be happy if Tom re signs, just a little nervous about the $$$, that’s all

Personally didnt think Martin or McGovern have performanced to their contract price. Not much of a point to be made except hype and market forces make us pay TDK the 8m.

I don't like the amount mch either but with Pitto the other option, I wouldnt want to see TDK leave either. So pay must and lump it!

 

[Beyond Blue]

There are certain players in our side which should NOT be referred to by their surname,it bugs me I know it shouldn’t but it does.

There’s the obvious:

Charlie
Harry
Tom
Elijah
Ollie
Jsos

And there’s the newbies:
Ben
Lucas

And Jagga should never be referred to as Smith just sounds wrong.

Feel better now.


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Surely it’s TDK not Tom

 

[tragic]

Personally didnt think Martin or McGovern have performanced to their contract price. Not much of a point to be made except hype and market forces make us pay TDK the 8m.

I don't like the amount mch either but with Pitto the other option, I wouldnt want to see TDK leave either. So pay must and lump it!

Im hoping that Pitto is on a relatively small deal so we can treat them as a package deal..

 

[macky99]

My angle is more that we seem to have 6-7 players on really large $$$ contracts and we have very little to show for it, in terms of on field success. I see this as being the reason we have been quiet on the player acquisition front the last two years.

I look at Brisbane, Collingwood and Geelong, the past 3 premiership winners and I don’t see them handing out deals like we have.

Other than Williams, our other players all deserved the deals they got and perform accordingly, they all had runs on the board, Tom compared to them seems like a much riskier play.

Now if our existing contracts weren’t tied to the TPP increases like it’s reported Essendons aren’t, then I’d feel a lot more comfortable.

I’ll be happy if Tom re signs, just a little nervous about the $$$, that’s all

Pretty sure Bailey Smith & Cameron and Dangerfield have come to the Cats on large deals not sure that logic applies, Williams is at the end of his long term deal, we let some players go this year & drafted kids so our cap is less of a issue than is being put forward.

 

[Worm4]

My angle is more that we seem to have 6-7 players on really large $$$ contracts and we have very little to show for it, in terms of on field success. I see this as being the reason we have been quiet on the player acquisition front the last two years.

I look at Brisbane, Collingwood and Geelong, the past 3 premiership winners and I don’t see them handing out deals like we have.

Other than Williams, our other players all deserved the deals they got and perform accordingly, they all had runs on the board, Tom compared to them seems like a much riskier play.

Now if our existing contracts weren’t tied to the TPP increases like it’s reported Essendons aren’t, then I’d feel a lot more comfortable.

I’ll be happy if Tom re signs, just a little nervous about the $$$, that’s all

Pies just handed Houston a monster deal. Daicos contract will be due shortly as well . Expect a monster deal.
Geelong have done it well . Daniher retiring frees up some space for Brisbane and just in time I reckon. Their list is stacked so will be interesting to see how they manage it in the next year or 2.

 

[BlueJet]

Pretty sure Bailey Smith & Cameron and Dangerfield have come to the Cats on large deals not sure that logic applies, Williams is at the end of his long term deal, we let some players go this year & drafted kids so our cap is less of a issue than is being put forward.

It's hard to say for certain.
Cats have Danger, Cameron, Smith.. we have Charlie, Cripps, Harry, Walsh & Weiters, in addition to TDK, Saad & McGov etc who would be on a decent salary.
I can't see the club having a lot of room but there are ways to create additional flexibility.

 

[sweethoney]

Pies just handed Houston a monster deal. Daicos contract will be due shortly as well . Expect a monster deal.
Geelong have done it well . Daniher retiring frees up some space for Brisbane and just in time I reckon. Their list is stacked so will be interesting to see how they manage it in the next year or 2.

Nick’s signed until 2030. Him and Josh signed at the same time. I watched an interview after he signed. His old man told them to take unders so they can recruit more players and help them to keep contending longer

 

[WalshistheGOAT]

Nick’s signed until 2030. Him and Josh signed at the same time. I watched an interview after he signed. His old man told them to take unders so they can recruit more players and help them to keep contending longer

As have many of our players

 

[Arr0w]

I'd rather we sign TDK to 6 million over 6 years, than 6 million over 4 years

 

[BlueNath]

I find it silly to compare us to what other clubs are doing as we are the only team in our situation... a large chunk of our salary cap (maybe even more than 1/2 our cap once the TDK deal drops) tied up in about 20% of our entire list. It is surely the most top heavy salary cap by a margin. For all the avid supercoach's out there, it is a pure guns'n'rookies approach.

Im not saying what we have done is right or wrong, but it is unique. I have upmost confidence in the club that it is by design and not accident, and they therefore are comfortable with where things are at. In fact, H, Charlie, Crippa, Walshy and Weiters could have got an additional 20% plus on the open market, essentially saving the club about 1mil/yr on market value just with this group

 

[macky99]

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It's hard to say for certain.
Cats have Danger, Cameron, Smith.. we have Charlie, Cripps, Harry, Walsh & Weiters, in addition to TDK, Saad & McGov etc who would be on a decent salary.
I can't see the club having a lot of room but there are ways to create additional flexibility.

All clubs are pretty much required to spend close to 90% of their cap, so with long term deals it allows to you spread the total cost in different ways over the period.
The Williams & McGovern and Saad deals were done a very long time ago, they may well have been front ended deals.
Pretty sure Geelong have many quality players who would command decent salary.
We need to look at the incremental cost of TDK new proposed deal likely to be $ 300-$400k not a huge cost when you consider we let 4-5 senior players go and brought in kids on a low salary.

 

[sweethoney]

As have many of our players

Think you’re missing the point in the post I replied too. They were thinking they were in for big pay days

 

[Fevolution!]

There are certain players in our side which should NOT be referred to by their surname,it bugs me I know it shouldn’t but it does.

There’s the obvious:

Charlie
Harry
Tom
Elijah
Ollie
Jsos

And there’s the newbies:
Ben
Lucas

And Jagga should never be referred to as Smith just sounds wrong.

Feel better now.


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Definitely not Tom

 

[JoeyPBLUES]

There are certain players in our side which should NOT be referred to by their surname,it bugs me I know it shouldn’t but it does.

There’s the obvious:

Charlie
Harry
Tom
Elijah
Ollie
Jsos

And there’s the newbies:
Ben
Lucas

And Jagga should never be referred to as Smith just sounds wrong.

Feel better now.


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Jagga should drop his surname altogether. Like Prince, Madonna etc. 1 name that’s it.

 

[BlueJet]

A

All clubs are pretty much required to spend close to 90% of their cap, so with long term deals it allows to you spread the total cost in different ways over the period.
The Williams & McGovern and Saad deals were done a very long time ago, they may well have been front ended deals.
Pretty sure Geelong have many quality players who would command decent salary.
We need to look at the incremental cost of TDK new proposed deal likely to be $ 300-$400k not a huge cost when you consider we let 4-5 senior players go and brought in kids on a low salary.

Of course.

Those deals were done a while ago but I doubt they're playing on the bare minimum either.
Geelong has quality, no doubt but I dont believe they have the same number of big ticket players either.
Owies & Kennedy would have been on the bare minimum.
The club would have the capacity to create space but I suspect that comes from moving on out of contract players rather than having space to burn.
We'll see soon enough.

 

[Coona Blues]

I find it silly to compare us to what other clubs are doing as we are the only team in our situation... a large chunk of our salary cap (maybe even more than 1/2 our cap once the TDK deal drops) tied up in about 20% of our entire list. It is surely the most top heavy salary cap by a margin. For all the avid supercoach's out there, it is a pure guns'n'rookies approach.

Im not saying what we have done is right or wrong, but it is unique. I have upmost confidence in the club that it is by design and not accident, and they therefore are comfortable with where things are at. In fact, H, Charlie, Crippa, Walshy and Weiters could have got an additional 20% plus on the open market, essentially saving the club about 1mil/yr on market value just with this group

Our structure is relatively unique, but close scrutiny suggests it is quite sound.

Top tier Cripps, Curnow, McKay, Weitering, Walsh, De Koning, Williams. Zac’s contracts was likely front ended and finishes in 2026 and will be dramatically reduced should he be extended.

Next tier likely Docherty, Saad, McGovern, Cerra. All out of contract at season’s end. The only one in line for a rise will be Cerra, but his lack of recently availability may give us a discount. The other three, assuming they go on, will be on reduced money.

Following tier, (give or take for a couple) likely Silvagni, Newman, E.Hollands, Hewett, Pittonet?! Haynes?, Hewett, Fogarty?,
Acres, Young? Acres probably got a little rise, E.Hollands maybe depending on the structure we inherited from Suns. Hard to see any of that group getting a rise other than the band creep from the salary cap..

Probable next tier includes Ollie Hollands, Motlop, Cottrell, Cowan, Kemp. Boyd, Cincotta, and Durdin would be on better than “starter” deals, but not huge money. A couple due a rise, but not yet in top earner territory. Only a couple a chance to be around “average” money.

Fantasia may have received a touch over starter money, but Moir, Lord, Binns, Wilson, O’Keeffe, Lemmey, Wilson, and the latest draft class Smith. Camporeale (x2), O’Farrell, Charleson, and Irish Monahan and Duffy would all be on starter money or incrementally fractionally more. Any SSP additions will be on basics.

We have a great many role players who will never be on real big money. There are a few who will be in line for increases at next contract negotiations, but I suspect anyone who tries to get above themselves will be shown the door.

We are hoping for the Hollands boys to elevate over the next couple of seasons, Jagga will likely be re negotiated before his initial three years is up to add a couple of years and spread the value over a longer period. Hopefully Moir, Motlop, Lord, Kemp, maybe Durdin and Cowan earn decent rises from meeting potential. Binns, Lemmey, Wilson and O’Keeffe will be slow burn more than likely.

Cotts, Boyd, Cincotta, Fogarty, Hewett, Pittonet, Silvagni, Young, even Acres, Saad, McGovern and Doc are looking at similar level or lesser contracts through their remaining careers, even decent reductions for some. I doubt we will overly entertaining bidding wars to retain players courted from elsewhere. We have some great role players and most are mirrored by youngsters coming through.

The list is in a great state for longevity. (IMO) Positional gaps have been addressed, at least in part.

 

[BlueNath]

Our structure is relatively unique, but close scrutiny suggests it is quite sound.

Top tier Cripps, Curnow, McKay, Weitering, Walsh, De Koning, Williams. Zac’s contracts was likely front ended and finishes in 2026 and will be dramatically reduced should he be extended.

Next tier likely Docherty, Saad, McGovern, Cerra. All out of contract at season’s end. The only one in line for a rise will be Cerra, but his lack of recently availability may give us a discount. The other three, assuming they go on, will be on reduced money.

Following tier, (give or take for a couple) likely Silvagni, Newman, E.Hollands, Hewett, Pittonet?! Haynes?, Hewett, Fogarty?,
Acres, Young? Acres probably got a little rise, E.Hollands maybe depending on the structure we inherited from Suns. Hard to see any of that group getting a rise other than the band creep from the salary cap..

Probable next tier includes Ollie Hollands, Motlop, Cottrell, Cowan, Kemp. Boyd, Cincotta, and Durdin would be on better than “starter” deals, but not huge money. A couple due a rise, but not yet in top earner territory. Only a couple a chance to be around “average” money.

Fantasia may have received a touch over starter money, but Moir, Lord, Binns, Wilson, O’Keeffe, Lemmey, Wilson, and the latest draft class Smith. Camporeale (x2), O’Farrell, Charleson, and Irish Monahan and Duffy would all be on starter money or incrementally fractionally more. Any SSP additions will be on basics.

We have a great many role players who will never be on real big money. There are a few who will be in line for increases at next contract negotiations, but I suspect anyone who tries to get above themselves will be shown the door.

We are hoping for the Hollands boys to elevate over the next couple of seasons, Jagga will likely be re negotiated before his initial three years is up to add a couple of years and spread the value over a longer period. Hopefully Moir, Motlop, Lord, Kemp, maybe Durdin and Cowan earn decent rises from meeting potential. Binns, Lemmey, Wilson and O’Keeffe will be slow burn more than likely.

Cotts, Boyd, Cincotta, Fogarty, Hewett, Pittonet, Silvagni, Young, even Acres, Saad, McGovern and Doc are looking at similar level or lesser contracts through their remaining careers, even decent reductions for some. I doubt we will overly entertaining bidding wars to retain players courted from elsewhere. We have some great role players and most are mirrored by youngsters coming through.

The list is in a great state for longevity. (IMO) Positional gaps have been addressed, at least in part.

Yes, when you break it down it is tight, but the maths works out.

I'll use your tiers and listed players and try and guesstimate the average salary per tier. I have used the Salary Cap for 2025 of $17.76mil to make this all work out. Here is what I cam up with:

PLAYERS	QTY	AVG. SALARY	TOTAL
TIER 1: Cripps, Curnow, McKay, Weitering, Walsh, De Koning, Williams	7	$1,000,000	$7,000,000
TIER 2: Docherty, Saad, McGovern, Cerra	4	$650,000	$2,600,000
TIER 3: Silvagni, Newman, E.Hollands, Hewett, Pittonet, Haynes, Hewett, Fogarty, Acres, Young,	10	$400,000	$4,000,000
TIER 4: O.Hollands, Motlop, Cottrell, Cowan, Kemp, Boyd, Cincotta, Durdin, Fantasia	9	$225,000	$2,025,000
TIER 5: Moir, Lord, Binns, Wilson, O’Keeffe, Lemmey, Wilson, Smith, B.Camporeale, S.Camporeale, O’Farrell, Charleson, Monahan, Duffy, SSP, SSP	16	$133,438	$2,135,000
	46		$17,760,000

It shows that you can have 7 players averaging $1mil on your list, but you need to severely cap all other tiers. Again, in the AFL, this scenario is currently unique to us.

I suspect most other list managers moreso use a structure similar to this for 2025 and beyond:

TIER	QTY	AVG. SALARY	TOTAL
TIER 1:	3	$1,000,000	$3,000,000
TIER 2:	5	$800,000	$4,000,000
TIER 3:	12	$450,000	$5,400,000
TIER 4:	10	$340,000	$3,400,000
TIER 5:	15	$130,667	$1,960,000
	45		$17,760,000

 

[Coona Blues]

Yes, when you break it down it is tight, but the maths works out.

I'll use your tiers and listed players and try and guesstimate the average salary per tier. I have used the Salary Cap for 2025 of $17.76mil to make this all work out. Here is what I cam up with:

PLAYERS	QTY	AVG. SALARY	TOTAL
TIER 1: Cripps, Curnow, McKay, Weitering, Walsh, De Koning, Williams	7	$1,000,000	$7,000,000
TIER 2: Docherty, Saad, McGovern, Cerra	4	$650,000	$2,600,000
TIER 3: Silvagni, Newman, E.Hollands, Hewett, Pittonet, Haynes, Hewett, Fogarty, Acres, Young,	10	$400,000	$4,000,000
TIER 4: O.Hollands, Motlop, Cottrell, Cowan, Kemp, Boyd, Cincotta, Durdin, Fantasia	9	$225,000	$2,025,000
TIER 5: Moir, Lord, Binns, Wilson, O’Keeffe, Lemmey, Wilson, Smith, B.Camporeale, S.Camporeale, O’Farrell, Charleson, Monahan, Duffy, SSP, SSP	16	$133,438	$2,135,000
	46		$17,760,000

It shows that you can have 7 players averaging $1mil on your list, but you need to severely cap all other tiers. Again, in the AFL, this scenario is currently unique to us.

I suspect most other list managers moreso use a structure similar to this for 2025 and beyond:

TIER	QTY	AVG. SALARY	TOTAL
TIER 1:	3	$1,000,000	$3,000,000
TIER 2:	5	$800,000	$4,000,000
TIER 3:	12	$450,000	$5,400,000
TIER 4:	10	$340,000	$3,400,000
TIER 5:	15	$130,667	$1,960,000
	45		$17,760,000

Don’t forget, the rookie wages are basically outside the cap, unless paid over the base. 8 x your $133,438.

 

[The Bighouse]

Our structure is relatively unique, but close scrutiny suggests it is quite sound.

Top tier Cripps, Curnow, McKay, Weitering, Walsh, De Koning, Williams. Zac’s contracts was likely front ended and finishes in 2026 and will be dramatically reduced should he be extended.

Next tier likely Docherty, Saad, McGovern, Cerra. All out of contract at season’s end. The only one in line for a rise will be Cerra, but his lack of recently availability may give us a discount. The other three, assuming they go on, will be on reduced money.

Following tier, (give or take for a couple) likely Silvagni, Newman, E.Hollands, Hewett, Pittonet?! Haynes?, Hewett, Fogarty?,
Acres, Young? Acres probably got a little rise, E.Hollands maybe depending on the structure we inherited from Suns. Hard to see any of that group getting a rise other than the band creep from the salary cap..

Probable next tier includes Ollie Hollands, Motlop, Cottrell, Cowan, Kemp. Boyd, Cincotta, and Durdin would be on better than “starter” deals, but not huge money. A couple due a rise, but not yet in top earner territory. Only a couple a chance to be around “average” money.

Fantasia may have received a touch over starter money, but Moir, Lord, Binns, Wilson, O’Keeffe, Lemmey, Wilson, and the latest draft class Smith. Camporeale (x2), O’Farrell, Charleson, and Irish Monahan and Duffy would all be on starter money or incrementally fractionally more. Any SSP additions will be on basics.

We have a great many role players who will never be on real big money. There are a few who will be in line for increases at next contract negotiations, but I suspect anyone who tries to get above themselves will be shown the door.

We are hoping for the Hollands boys to elevate over the next couple of seasons, Jagga will likely be re negotiated before his initial three years is up to add a couple of years and spread the value over a longer period. Hopefully Moir, Motlop, Lord, Kemp, maybe Durdin and Cowan earn decent rises from meeting potential. Binns, Lemmey, Wilson and O’Keeffe will be slow burn more than likely.

Cotts, Boyd, Cincotta, Fogarty, Hewett, Pittonet, Silvagni, Young, even Acres, Saad, McGovern and Doc are looking at similar level or lesser contracts through their remaining careers, even decent reductions for some. I doubt we will overly entertaining bidding wars to retain players courted from elsewhere. We have some great role players and most are mirrored by youngsters coming through.

The list is in a great state for longevity. (IMO) Positional gaps have been addressed, at least in part.

EH wouldn’t have any bearing on what GCFC was doing. Once you’re out of a club it’s a new contract and in EH’s case, on a best behaviour 1yr deal in 2024 that got him a further 2yrs tacked on until 2026.

He would be one we/he would be hopeful of solid improvement which would bolster his salary down the track.

 

[WalshYouLegend]

Yes, when you break it down it is tight, but the maths works out.

I'll use your tiers and listed players and try and guesstimate the average salary per tier. I have used the Salary Cap for 2025 of $17.76mil to make this all work out. Here is what I cam up with:

PLAYERS	QTY	AVG. SALARY	TOTAL
TIER 1: Cripps, Curnow, McKay, Weitering, Walsh, De Koning, Williams	7	$1,000,000	$7,000,000
TIER 2: Docherty, Saad, McGovern, Cerra	4	$650,000	$2,600,000
TIER 3: Silvagni, Newman, E.Hollands, Hewett, Pittonet, Haynes, Hewett, Fogarty, Acres, Young,	10	$400,000	$4,000,000
TIER 4: O.Hollands, Motlop, Cottrell, Cowan, Kemp, Boyd, Cincotta, Durdin, Fantasia	9	$225,000	$2,025,000
TIER 5: Moir, Lord, Binns, Wilson, O’Keeffe, Lemmey, Wilson, Smith, B.Camporeale, S.Camporeale, O’Farrell, Charleson, Monahan, Duffy, SSP, SSP	16	$133,438	$2,135,000
	46		$17,760,000

It shows that you can have 7 players averaging $1mil on your list, but you need to severely cap all other tiers. Again, in the AFL, this scenario is currently unique to us.

I suspect most other list managers moreso use a structure similar to this for 2025 and beyond:

TIER	QTY	AVG. SALARY	TOTAL
TIER 1:	3	$1,000,000	$3,000,000
TIER 2:	5	$800,000	$4,000,000
TIER 3:	12	$450,000	$5,400,000
TIER 4:	10	$340,000	$3,400,000
TIER 5:	15	$130,667	$1,960,000
	45		$17,760,000

In short, TDK is awesome and stays.

 

[Coona Blues]

EH wouldn’t have any bearing on what GCFC was doing. Once you’re out of a club it’s a new contract and in EH’s case, on a best behaviour 1yr deal in 2024 that got him a further 2yrs tacked on until 2026.

He would be one we/he would be hopeful of solid improvement which would bolster his salary down the track.

Elijah’s initial contract was largely dependent on the money he was getting at GC. Yes there was undoubtedly a restructure, but his extension was likely incremental from his first contract, as opposed to being completely different from it. The “band” he is currently in was, at least in part, dictated on what came over from the Suns. This is why I hypothesised he was/is on better money than his little brother. I may be off in my suppositions, but his base has been related to his Suns contract.

It was only an exercise designed to relay the message that we are likely in a good spot financially, not to debate individuals likely remuneration.

 

[BlueTongue]

Personally didnt think Martin or McGovern have performanced to their contract price. Not much of a point to be made except hype and market forces make us pay TDK the 8m.

I don't like the amount mch either but with Pitto the other option, I wouldnt want to see TDK leave either. So pay must and lump it!

The difference here is that Martin & McGovern were recruited from other clubs and had not been developed by our club.
Further to this, I'd say both have largely gotten by at this, and previous clubs, on natural talent alone, and IMO both have a tendency to be lazy and rely on that talent rather than push themselves to the next level.

TDK was drafted by us, developed within our system, grew with other teammates with whom he has made an internal pact with to stay together, has shown loyalty already to extend a contract by a couple of years when he could have taken much bigger $$ elsewhere, and has continuously shown the ability to do the required work on himself, going to the next level on multiple occasions.

The club needs to reward this more than fanfare players who jump ship for more $$.