I’m really thinking Liddle is becoming a cancer in this club. Everything has imploded since he arrived.
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Was the platform for Pickers’ on The Oval Office? There could be context and perhaps a media commentator stating some points of improvement for PC, something which we’ve been crying out for as a club from our leader - also Doc failed in the leadership stakes this year (still don’t think there’s a rift with the players, or Cripps).
Edit; it was on SEN. Not off the mark at all. Interesting though The Age has this up 13hrs ago unless the update had the Pickers update thrown in.
“It has been long time since he actually has delivered in a consistent manner both ways in a game of football, where he gets the ball and he actually puts defensive pressure on [and] chases and tackles,” said Pickering on SEN.
“He is a good enough footballer to adapt to the modern game. He is an inside midfielder, but they ran off him.”
Teague’s manager launches on Cripps as Blues delay coach call
Carlton coach David Teague’s manager Liam Pickering has publicly criticised Blues skipper Patrick Cripps as the club digests the findings of a football department review.
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Jeeez... Considering everything swirling around and the media sharks in the water, it does Teague no favours to try to correct the record re what his manager said. Does he ring SEN? Does he throw Tom Browne a bone? Insofar as he needs to do anything, it's a phone call to the club and a phone call to Cripps
His reputation was shot after the Franklin saga. Was managing Clarkson at the time and lied to him.
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What did Teague say about Cripps?
He’s a dinosaur. Still thinks he’s one of the boys and thinks he’s pretty great on SEN. Sick of the sound of his voice and his boys club humour with Hutchy.
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You can't kick goals when you're unconscious.
If I recall correctly Clarko sacked him not long after.
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Not what I have heard
Cripps doesn't need to be a 100% 2 way player, plenty of players have been 1 way and won flags. Martin has won 3 Norms as an immensely 1 way player. Judd was a 1 way player, Ablett jr was 1 way. I mean it's a nice ideal and soundpiece to say everyone needs to go both ways but it's not entirely true.
Whether Pickering was right or wrong is entirely irrelevant, he said what he said because it's what Teague thinks. That was a bush league move by Pickering to out DTs private thoughts like that.
Whether Pickering was right or wrong is entirely irrelevant, he said what he said because it's what Teague thinks. That was a bush league move by Pickering to out DTs private thoughts like that.
Is it the media’s fault or is it the consumers of said media’s fault?
Either Don’t read, click or listen to anything in the footy media or if you can’t help yourself, just take it with the big old pinch of salt it deserves.
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Either Don’t read, click or listen to anything in the footy media or if you can’t help yourself, just take it with the big old pinch of salt it deserves.
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Just watched the last minute or so from his post-game presser:
- Cripps wasn't carrying anything into the last round that Teague knew of - it was a left quad which kept him out of round 22 and as a right footer it wasn't a reason he didn't kick the ball. Cripps kicked the ball at training last week
- didn't "know exactly when he hurt it but obviously could see he was limited"
- "I don't know if he hurt it early or he was just choosing not to [kick] but a little bit of that hurt us around the contest at times - I thought our mids' ability to win the ball was good but our ability to get distance off it, that hurt us, so that's something from a leadership point of view and from a group point of view we've gotta get better at"
Caro on FC - nothing has changed on the coaching front re Clarkson being our #1 target, Lyon still in the frame and Teague is next to no chance of staying.
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So, now Caro won't entirely rule Clarkson out of the Collingwood coaching job...
Couple weeks ago she was ready to bet Lloyd $1000 he wouldn't go there...
Couple weeks ago she was ready to bet Lloyd $1000 he wouldn't go there...
This was said after stating there was a bit of a “changing of the guard” and indicating that Weitering, Walsh & McKay understand how to play team football and used terminology like “selflessness” and that they own this team now !!
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The more I think about it, the worse I feel about our turnover of coaches ... Putting Clarkson aside for a minute, how can any coach feel comfortable coaching Carlton knowing how quickly the knives come out, and what bearing would this pressure have on their ability to get the best out of themselves and the team? Imagine working in that environment.
Can't be easy trying to build strong relationships, based on trust and respect, with a young and developing list when you are so aware of the club's recent history and impatience with coaches.
I'd love to know what kind of influence this pressure had on Teague's selection policy (which I have been very unhappy with), among other things.
It's not going to happen regardless of whether Clarkson accepts or rejects the offer, but if Clarkson does reject the offer, I wouldn't be upset if we stuck with Teague with strong support to make the decisions he sees fit.
The main issue I see with DT continuing, is the ongoing impatience by supporters and Club. I would rather this journey take longer, if need be, to get it right, than to succumb to impatience, trying to rush the final stretch to the summit. The final push to a summit is usually the most difficult and demanding - rushing it leads to poor decisions and, often, failure.
Can't be easy trying to build strong relationships, based on trust and respect, with a young and developing list when you are so aware of the club's recent history and impatience with coaches.
I'd love to know what kind of influence this pressure had on Teague's selection policy (which I have been very unhappy with), among other things.
It's not going to happen regardless of whether Clarkson accepts or rejects the offer, but if Clarkson does reject the offer, I wouldn't be upset if we stuck with Teague with strong support to make the decisions he sees fit.
The main issue I see with DT continuing, is the ongoing impatience by supporters and Club. I would rather this journey take longer, if need be, to get it right, than to succumb to impatience, trying to rush the final stretch to the summit. The final push to a summit is usually the most difficult and demanding - rushing it leads to poor decisions and, often, failure.
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The knives have come out for good reason...
Ratten is the only one that was hard done by imo. But I'm not oblivious to the fact that he had flaws as well.
Malthouse was shit. Bolton and Teague both on training wheels kept making the same mistakes. We were told by our lying president re Teague that "he could not be more ready to coach"...
Teague knew Zac Williams didn't turn up in the right shape. What did he do about it? Instead of taking the opportunity to set the standards and sending him to the 2's until he gets his fitness right, he persisted with him in the middle for almost half a season before finally realising it was never going to work. Now we have a very good hbf on star midfielder money...
I find it hilarious that Teague has finally conjured up the strength to call a spade a spade with Cripps now that he looks to be on the way out. He had 2 years to discipline him and he never did. Any grievances in Cripps' game are a result of his inability to get the best out of him.
We are not talking about a foot soldier here... Cripps is a competitive beast, with the right guidance he is capable of so much more...
Instead, Teague has attempted to adopt a game plan that does not play to Cripps' strengths in any facet. He kicks the ball, people complain about his kicking. He handballs, the coach complains he isn't kicking enough. Cripps is a contested ball winner and distributor. He should be winning the ball then looking to give it off to the better users. The fact that Teague can't see that is very damning...
He's pretty much called Cripps a liar which I find absolutely hilarious given he lied to us about Cripps' back injury at the start of the season. He had no problems sending Crippa out there after getting pain killing injections hours before a game... Now he has an issue over a game that meant nothing in the context of our season? And now his manager is mouthing off as well... regardless of whether Pickers is right or wrong... the coach's manager should not be publicly criticising the club captain.
Pickering was stealing clients from the mob he used work for so that he could set up his own company, and they took him to court over it and they won. He is just a shallow money chasing low life, and how he gets a tv gig is just amazing, or he must have the dirt on someone!!!
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That's how it appears on the surface, but such a dismal trend makes me question - and should be cause to question - the root cause. I've no doubt the Club has other issues - we're an absolute shit-show and we have been for 20 years. Anyone who thinks otherwise simply cannot handle the shame or embarrassment that comes with having to acknowledge the reality that we are the worst of the 21st century - we are not great in any sense, since 2000. The consequence of not accepting things is to find excuse after excuse to explain all the failings of the Club over the period ... and I have heard it all.
The way this Club is run, I wouldn't be at all surprised to find that Teague was under pressure himself to play Zac Williams on account of being a big-name signing (on a side note, I still think Zac will be good).
I wonder how much that lack of trust in the security of the position affects all the decisions to which you're referring, tbh. Any Carlton coach works with the ever-present threat of a sacking hanging over their head, imo. Not healthy.
The great benefit of Clarkson, if he comes, is that he will make all the calls as he sees fit and, thanks to the Hawks sticking with him when they were having doubts (something with which we've shown to be incapable), he now has a CV that allows him to get away with it. He certainly has the potential to cause a storm I think and then it'll almost be a question of whether the powers that be can handle it. I want Clarkson bc I think he is capable of shifting the entire dynamic, direction and culture of the place... he may not even feel the pressure to reach finals if he thinks we need to make some changes that set us back for a year or so ... I wonder how the masses would feel if Clarkson arrives and we don't play finals next year though.
By no means do I think Clarkson guarantees success because of the aforementioned, but, if he rejects us, (which I honestly only think he will do if he decides it's too poor of an environment), I'd be ok with us doing something different by sticking with DT.
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Worked pretty well for Dusty...
I've tended to think Teague was often a bit blinded by past performance/potential output and the belief that everyone will play a specific, mistake-free role despite mounting evidence against that, and then paid less attention, consciously or otherwise, to form ("Murphy's capable of great things!", or "Fogarty has been down in recent weeks but he really got stuck in at the start of the year so he can do it again").
I kinda feel this then bled into his game plan and inability to arrest opposition goal runs - "if we can just do what we're supposed to we'll turn this around!" - which kind of has a grain of truth to it, because how often are we undone by the lazy sideways kick in our defensive 50, or the shallow inside 50 marked near the boundary (or just as likely, marked by an intercepting defender who has seemingly been waiting in the same spot for ages), or just the wrong decision in the heat of the moment? The coach has to be largely responsible for this, but my god when any of these things is happening multiple times every single game, it's such a coach-killer.
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Pickers will still be 100% happy to take 10% of Carltons money...
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