Bombers best 22

[Mero]

Mal Michael has the mongrel in him that Solly had in him.
I'm a big Mark Johnson fan, I think he's one of the most under-rated footballers of the last few years. But his importance to the side is well below JJ, Stanton, McPhee and David Hille.

It's like the old "Dustin Fletcher is our most important player, James Hird is our best player" theory.

Mark Johnson's importance to the team is limited, at his best he isn't really a match winner. He can perform a number of roles and do them effectively but he doesn't really lift the side, he doesn't drag others along with him. He's a role player and a very good one at that.

Take David Hille out of our side and you might as well put a line through 2007 right now. Take away MJ and we have Slattery, Cole, Davey that are near on ready made to take his place.

Mark Johnson is a fine footballer at his best and he's most definately in our best 22 but IMO Stanton, McPhee, Hille and JJ are more important to us.

Take Hille out and we lose a 200cm Ruck Rover.
He's not a ruckman, and Laycock and Ryder should go past him in 2007 in that role.
His value is sneaking away and kicking a goal or two from the Ruck position.
He doesn't win that many ruck taps, especially against monster opponents, he wins against players like Jeff White and Josh Fraser. Anyone stronger than them and Hille struggles.

We can agree to disagree on MJ, because I can't believe he doesn't lift the team with what he's prepared to do, and I can't accept Stanton being more important than him right now. Or Hille, and I'd argue JJ, and give you McPhee.

 

[Jex]

Take Hille out and we lose a 200cm Ruck Rover.
He's not a ruckman, and Laycock and Ryder should go past him in 2007 in that role.
His value is sneaking away and kicking a goal or two from the Ruck position.
He doesn't win that many ruck taps, especially against monster opponents, he wins against players like Jeff White and Josh Fraser. Anyone stronger than them and Hille struggles.

We can agree to disagree on MJ, because I can't believe he doesn't lift the team with what he's prepared to do, and I can't accept Stanton being more important than him right now. Or Hille, and I'd argue JJ, and give you McPhee.

Hille is our most important player after Fletch and Lloyd.

 

[Crave]

Take Hille out and we lose a 200cm Ruck Rover.
He's not a ruckman, and Laycock and Ryder should go past him in 2007 in that role.
His value is sneaking away and kicking a goal or two from the Ruck position.
He doesn't win that many ruck taps, especially against monster opponents, he wins against players like Jeff White and Josh Fraser. Anyone stronger than them and Hille struggles.

We can agree to disagree on MJ, because I can't believe he doesn't lift the team with what he's prepared to do, and I can't accept Stanton being more important than him right now. Or Hille, and I'd argue JJ, and give you McPhee.

Can you think of anyone in our side that runs as hard as Stanton right now? Laycock hasnt proven anything yet other than showing glimpses of his potential and Ryder is only a pup in the game and wont really trouble too many ruckman at this stage of his career. Still on the development curve I feel.

 

[Longy413]

Take Hille out and we lose a 200cm Ruck Rover.
He's not a ruckman, and Laycock and Ryder should go past him in 2007 in that role.
His value is sneaking away and kicking a goal or two from the Ruck position.
He doesn't win that many ruck taps, especially against monster opponents, he wins against players like Jeff White and Josh Fraser. Anyone stronger than them and Hille struggles.

He was 8th in the competition in hitouts.

David Hille is still a developing player, look at the improvement Simmonds made as a 28 y/o, look back to Luke Darcy before he was the same age. David Hille has a long way to go, but we played our best footy last season when he was at his best.

 

[Bombs Away]

Hille is in our best 22, he just needs a bit of help (as all ruckman do) when comes up against a big tandem. Hopefully Laycock or Ryder can step up this year and be injury free and help him out

 

[stander]

Hille is in our best 22, he just needs a bit of help (as all ruckman do) when comes up against a big tandem. Hopefully Laycock or Ryder can step up this year and be injury free and help him out

Hille needs to be carefully managed- I hope they don't muck around with him, and make up their minds early about his role at the club.

 

[Crave]

Hille needs to be carefully managed- I hope they don't muck around with him, and make up their minds early about his role at the club.

Well, I think Sheeds has always used our ruckman as forwards also, so you would expect that would be the plan regarding Hille. Actually, I can only think of Stynes as a ruckman who was used across half back when he wasnt rucking. In our case, Salmon and Somerville were used inthat fashion. Possibly Barnes was used across the middle and out on the wings utilising our more direct style of play.

 

[Longy413]

Hille needs to be carefully managed- I hope they don't muck around with him, and make up their minds early about his role at the club.

They haven't yet. I don't see how that will change....

 

[Don77]

Hille is our most important player after Fletch and Lloyd.

Spot on once again Jex

 

[Don77]

I would'nt go that far, i know the ruck is one of our weaker spots but if Hille goes down then it adds more excitement to the season imo. Laycock and ryder would rotate through the ruck and could possibly form a good team.

One of the poorer pieces of reasoning I have seen on this sight- and that is saying a lot!

 

[danzan22]

One of the poorer pieces of reasoning I have seen on this sight- and that is saying a lot!

Longy was saying that if Hille goes then 2007 is gone, i don’t believe that 1 player could cause that. Laycock and Ryder are a inexperienced pair but we have seen what they are capable of. This would also be great experience for Laycock being the #1 option and would greatly help his progress into becoming a good ruck.

 

[ant555]

- Bradley with his mobility on the other wing to create a miss match and give us a bit of an advantage in the air when linking up from defense to attack.

- Even though he is first year Davey is a ready made player and with his pace and crumbing ability will be a good asset @ HF. Another area in which we have been lacking - probably since Darren Bewick.

- I have seen a lot of arguments that we might be too tall in the forward line with Lloyd/Lucas/Johns/Hird. This will be our biggest weapon with the 3rd and 4th best defenders going to Hird and Johns. This will stretch every side in the comp! Plus dont forget that Jimbo is probably one of the best players in the comp when the ball hits the deck clean hands and can pick up and still kick the ball when he takes possession around his ankles.

3 things.

1. Kepler Bradley is clearly not in our best 22, probably not in the best 35. With Mal Michael on board there is no need to persist with a bloke who slow, unco, and couldn't catch a cold led alone take a grab down back. He is embarrassing, and needs some development at Bendigo.
2. Lets not get carried away with Alwyn Davey on the strength of an intra club prac match. Wait till the real stuff arrives before getting excited.

and 3. I agree having a forward line of Lloyd, Lucas, Jim, and Johns with a couple of whippets under their feet will be pretty intimidating for any other club. I like the look of Johns, he will be a good player for us this year.[/QUOTE]


If you are going to give it a guy at least stick to the facts. Marking isnt one of Bradleys week points.

 

[GoDons]

Can't help but notice that a lot of people are leaving guys like Peverill and Heffernan out of their best side. I think people are forgetting that you need defensive midfielders to do containing roles rather than just all speedsters who tend to play their own game. Taggers are essential for any side.

 

[GoDons]

InTheOuter is Definitely correct

 

[Crave]

Longy was saying that if Hille goes then 2007 is gone, i don’t believe that 1 player could cause that. Laycock and Ryder are a inexperienced pair but we have seen what they are capable of. This would also be great experience for Laycock being the #1 option and would greatly help his progress into becoming a good ruck.

We need everything in the middle to help us win first use of the ball and only an experienced ruckman can give us that. Laycock and Ryder arent there yet. They'd get mauled right now by the competition's leaders

 

[Longy413]

Can't help but notice that a lot of people are leaving guys like Peverill and Heffernan out of their best side. I think people are forgetting that you need defensive midfielders to do containing roles rather than just all speedsters who tend to play their own game. Taggers are essential for any side.

His name is Mark McVeigh. He wears number 10.

 

[Don77]

Longy was saying that if Hille goes then 2007 is gone, i don’t believe that 1 player could cause that. Laycock and Ryder are a inexperienced pair but we have seen what they are capable of. This would also be great experience for Laycock being the #1 option and would greatly help his progress into becoming a good ruck.

Still don't you think 'wishing an injury' on a player is a bit harsh, especially considering that that player is (whether you like it or not) our number 1 ruckman and in all likelihood our next captain. Also, if Laycock and Ryder are as good as we all hope they will be, they will find a spot in the team whether or not David Hille is playing.

As for 1 player causing a season to be gone, don't you think Lloydy being injured pretty much stuffed our season last year?

 

[Don77]

His name is Mark McVeigh. He wears number 10.

Yep. Throw in Slattery as a possible defensive midfielder this year as well.

 

[Charliebrow 16]

B: M.Johnson - M.Michael - A.Welsh

HB: N.Lovett-Murray - D.Fletcher - A.Mcphee

C: S.Camporeale - J.Watson - M.Mcveigh

HF: J.Hird - S.Lucas - C.Johns

F: A.Lovett - M.Lloyd - A.Monfries

FOL: D.Hille - J.Johnson - B.Stanton

Inter: R.Dyson - K.Bradley - J.Winderlich - J.Laycock

Emg: C.Heffernan - H.Slattery - S.Gumbleton

That is a very strong side.

 

[Crave]

Still don't you think 'wishing an injury' on a player is a bit harsh, especially considering that that player is (whether you like it or not) our number 1 ruckman and in all likelihood our next captain. Also, if Laycock and Ryder are as good as we all hope they will be, they will find a spot in the team whether or not David Hille is playing.

As for 1 player causing a season to be gone, don't you think Lloydy being injured pretty much stuffed our season last year?

I dont think he was 'wishing an injury', he's just putting blind faith in Ryder and Laycock. Can understand where he's coming from, but I dont agree with him regarding our ability to create first usage of the ball at stoppages without Hille.

 

[danzan22]

I dont think he was 'wishing an injury', he's just putting blind faith in Ryder and Laycock. Can understand where he's coming from, but I dont agree with him regarding our ability to create first usage of the ball at stoppages without Hille.

Thats about right, i would never wish a injury upon any of our players, i hope hille plays every game.
Im just a optimistic person.

 

[GoDons]

His name is Mark McVeigh. He wears number 10.

For one I reckon you need more than one defensive midfielder.

For two I reckon it's time McVeigh is allowed to be an attacking player and show his class all round the ground

 

[Longy413]

For one I reckon you need more than one defensive midfielder.

Yep. Absolutely.

A lot of people have the likes of Welsh, Cole, Mark Johnson in their sides. Not all of them can play in the backline.

I think Heff could well be in our best side, don't think Pev is though.

For two I reckon it's time McVeigh is allowed to be an attacking player and show his class all round the ground

I agree, don't think it will happen though.

 

[kolchak]

I'm sure if I looked hard enough I could find some opinions but how do you think Fletcher will go at CHB?

 

[Not a Wellman]

Laycock will be our starting ruckmen by round 8 if he is fit for those 8 games. Hille will be doing more around the ground still however to say if Hille goes down there goes our season is a little over the top imo.