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News Brad Crouch decision (ADL chickenshit, decline to match, receive 23)
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WaynesWorld19
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Despite multiple club officials suggesting they would match St Kilda’s offer for Brad Crouch, Adelaide opted not to do so overnight.
This hands them pick 23 as compensation and allows the midfielder to walk to the Saints.
Kane Cornes believes the Crows made a mistake going early with their declarations.
“Regardless of their reasons behind it, it’s a lesson and a message to be careful with your words because right now if I’m an Adelaide fan, I don’t believe a word the Crows are telling me in terms of what they’re going to do in this trade period,” Cornes told AFL Trade Radio.
“They would have been wiser to just have said at the time; ‘we understand the pick has come through, we’ll take in all the information that we have and then make an informed decision at the point we’re ready’.
“Because right now, what they’re saying means nothing. St Kilda has absolutely bluffed their way through this beautifully and congratulations to the Saints for calling the Crows’ bluff, but the Crows look foolish.
This hands them pick 23 as compensation and allows the midfielder to walk to the Saints.
Kane Cornes believes the Crows made a mistake going early with their declarations.
“Regardless of their reasons behind it, it’s a lesson and a message to be careful with your words because right now if I’m an Adelaide fan, I don’t believe a word the Crows are telling me in terms of what they’re going to do in this trade period,” Cornes told AFL Trade Radio.
“They would have been wiser to just have said at the time; ‘we understand the pick has come through, we’ll take in all the information that we have and then make an informed decision at the point we’re ready’.
“Because right now, what they’re saying means nothing. St Kilda has absolutely bluffed their way through this beautifully and congratulations to the Saints for calling the Crows’ bluff, but the Crows look foolish.
I never said a 3rd round?So we accept a 3rd rounder to keep you happy and totally compromise our Salary Cap position?
Sounds like a smart move
I think most here would be happy with a late first/early second.
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Th key point was the 5 year contract & the Crows strongly saying they wouldn't entertain that length .....once that position was clear, all the Crows negotiating power went out the window .....and strangely no-one at the Crows recognized that point
It meant all St Kilda had to do was make it 5 years and satisfy Brad on the $$$$ ......knowing the Crows would never match the 5 years
St Kilda could also go to the PSD if need be, knowing again the 5 years was the deal breaker with the Crows
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Can we have clarity on this .....the pick #23 will blow out to at least #27 with NGA's and Father/son picks
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Unfortunately the AFL would never have signed off on that considering that trade would have to have happened after the FA period finished
Not if you submitted yesterday, then we get 72hrs of trade and matching time.
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There is no more blowing out from FAs. The pick will yield the 23rd best from the pool of available players. This will not change. There's no way we should offer anything better than 33 for Hately, at the most.
I'm not a Kane fan, but I agree with him.
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And yet our GM Media & Communications continues to plod along with no accountability whatsoever.
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It sounds like our trading last year where we said for months we didn't want certain players and the market rewarded us for it.
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There is logical thinking and then there is the AFC thinking.. You're thinking logically.
The Atkins pick or later should be used for Hately.
Second time I’ve agreed with him recently, should I be concerned??
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It's catching on, though. North and Fremantle have already adopted our playbook this year and Collingwood are making a late bid to outdo us.
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I was almost there...but then you mentioned Atkins
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He had a needle in his groin before every game in 2017. If he'd had surgery earlier, when if flared up in the 2018 preseason, he would've been available for at least the second half of 2018.
Since his surgery he has been playing without needles and his only injury was his 4 week hamstring this year
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Except the pies will get a decent pick for Treloar...possibly 17It's catching on, though. North and Fremantle have already adopted our playbook this year and Collingwood are making a late bid to outdo us.
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What's the matter with you? Seriously.So we accept a 3rd rounder to keep you happy and totally compromise our Salary Cap position?
Sounds like a smart move
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After sleeping on it, this is my take.
The Kelly comments around matching the offer was not a deception aimed towards the fans, it was an attempt to bluff Saints, albeit a poor one.
No doubt all of the list management group and management would have been across him making those comments.
It begs the question why Kelly is coming out as the face of our list management strategies. Perhaps he has done so knowing he would take the heat off Reid and others if the strategy was not to pan out, which is admirable to an extent.
According the Kelly when Saints submitted their offer they canvassed every other club about taking Crouch if they were to match. Not a single club said they would.
Brad's manager would have communicated to the Saints that we were never going to offer 5 years.
With no other clubs entering the ring, Kelly was right in saying this considerably weakened our position. The risk of having Brad on the list for 5 years @ $700-$800k with incentives must have outweighed the risk of gaining a few extra spots on the ladder.
I think it was fine for us to explore our options with other clubs in the last few days, although communication with the fans could have been much better, although again we were kind of backed into a corner there.
The list management and Kelly now have the trade period and Draft to at least claw back some modicum of respect.
The Kelly comments around matching the offer was not a deception aimed towards the fans, it was an attempt to bluff Saints, albeit a poor one.
No doubt all of the list management group and management would have been across him making those comments.
It begs the question why Kelly is coming out as the face of our list management strategies. Perhaps he has done so knowing he would take the heat off Reid and others if the strategy was not to pan out, which is admirable to an extent.
According the Kelly when Saints submitted their offer they canvassed every other club about taking Crouch if they were to match. Not a single club said they would.
Brad's manager would have communicated to the Saints that we were never going to offer 5 years.
With no other clubs entering the ring, Kelly was right in saying this considerably weakened our position. The risk of having Brad on the list for 5 years @ $700-$800k with incentives must have outweighed the risk of gaining a few extra spots on the ladder.
I think it was fine for us to explore our options with other clubs in the last few days, although communication with the fans could have been much better, although again we were kind of backed into a corner there.
The list management and Kelly now have the trade period and Draft to at least claw back some modicum of respect.
That's no issue if he doesn't - he's not convinced me
Good summary(far too much hysterical nonsense written about this situation) & now we move on(for god's sake!!) & to your last point, the clawing back must start with using nothing better than Pick 39 for Hately.
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He needs to nominate the club to become a F/S. He's not going to nominate the club publicly, and exclude himself from potentially being picked up by 1 of the other 17 clubs, if Adelaide don't make a prior commitment to draft him
Maybe they should have used game theory.
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