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Injury Brad Crouch out for the year? #@%!
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It really depends on how he responds to the rest, but primarily it would depend on how long he's been carrying the groin niggles during last season.
Generally a chronic niggle would need a longer period of absolute rest. In Brad's case - 4-6 weeks of serious rest would be a worthwhile period during the preseason, would be my guess.
But then of course when he starts to train again during the preseason, there's always a chance injury can recur judging from his past recurrent groin issues.
I truly doubt that he's been injured the whole time from preseason until now, without some level of improvement in between.
I'll just leave this here - from CrowCast TNL 29th May...
Thanks to our source
The source can provide observations only, but I doubt they can truly confirm whether Brad can/can't get back by the end of this year. Unless of course, surgery is already planned soon, in which case he certainly won't be able to return this year. I think waiting until the bye round would give us a clue whether Brad will be back or not, pending on whether he's seen on the training tracks.
You're missing the point - the club has known for a while. Ergo, they know the likely prognosis.
By the way, did you miss the club announcement? He is going in for surgery.
We're not talking minor flu strains. We're talking possible serious bone infections where it can take up to a month of IV antibiotics, or even worse, chronic damage to the bones and in which case a player might be finding it difficult to return to an elite level again. The risks are not that high, but they're there and certainly something for anyone to ponder. If it was you, would you consider jumping straight to surgery knowing that rest might do the same job but less overall risks?
****en hell..yes I did miss the announcement! But all my previous post still stands as to why there has been a delay in not opting for surgery right away during the preseason.
Get well Brad!
Not really, surely you can now see the injury is far older than you perceived.****en hell..yes I did miss the announcement! But all my previous post still stands as to why there has been a delay in not opting for surgery right away during the preseason.
Get well Brad!
Here's my honest take from all the information gathered from BF and general news I've seen or read:
- Brad was playing with a level of chronic groin niggle, and from sources (you being one of them) are that he's been having injections to help settle some of his symptoms
- unfortunately, if playing injured for a prolonged period of time, he would likely to only get worse.
- he was rested for a few weeks during the preseason
- with the fitness program that is associated with an increased level of unprecedented amount of injuries this year, Brad was likely going to be affected too
- so when news of the abdominal strain at the start of this year, it was likely he flared-up his old wounds again
- then I'm guessing they gave him another few more weeks of rest to see how it improves or not
- then the club realising he's not responding this particular time to rest (when past occurrences he had shown improvements)
- they went to seek a specialist opinion with the possible view of surgery
- the specialist says "let's give it another 1-2 more months of absolute rest" ie. no running/kicking the footy
- then Brad still doesn't get better despite all the rest given
- which leads to the decision to surgery
That is my take in the overall situation. I don't think the club has been trying to hide anything, just the fact that Brad's groin is one of those prone for recurrent injuries, no matter what the club or doctors do with him.
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Point still stands though that a non surgical option existed and that is the one we took. I doubt it was Haas or Burton that made the recommendation. I say this as a fan who wants them both gone at the end of the year.
In reality we probably could have made the tough call some time ago. But we are probably talking weeks and not months. Wonder if the Melbourne hammering has made us reassess this decision along with Sloane/Lynch type decisions.
Fortunately Haas and Burton won’t be doing the surgery
But, post surgery, Brad’s recovery will be in the hands of our high performance team. I don’t trust the existing team. Hopefully it’s a different team that looks after him next pre-season.
What’re we at; 9 months since he played last? And they couldn’t sort this out, or make the decision until now?
That’s pathetic.
If surgery gave me the best chance of playing again, in the shortest amount of time, then I would 100% take that option. Especially in the pre season.
I wouldn’t consider the possible risk of infection to be a factor in making that decision; because it isn’t relevant in this arena.
Edit; come on John, you didn’t even know he was going for surgery?
That’s pathetic.
If surgery gave me the best chance of playing again, in the shortest amount of time, then I would 100% take that option. Especially in the pre season.
I wouldn’t consider the possible risk of infection to be a factor in making that decision; because it isn’t relevant in this arena.
Edit; come on John, you didn’t even know he was going for surgery?
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The whole thing sounds odd and smacks of incompetence
If feenix67 mail is correct, they should have booked the surgery straight after the GF.
I have no idea what they were trying to play at here. You really have 2 options
1. No surgery = Short term recovery but low chance of success
2. Surgery = Long term recovery but high chance of success
Why on earth they didn’t just take advantage of the 5 months between GF and round 1 2018 to have the surgery and recuperate is borderline incompetence.
Heads need to roll over this.
If feenix67 mail is correct, they should have booked the surgery straight after the GF.
I have no idea what they were trying to play at here. You really have 2 options
1. No surgery = Short term recovery but low chance of success
2. Surgery = Long term recovery but high chance of success
Why on earth they didn’t just take advantage of the 5 months between GF and round 1 2018 to have the surgery and recuperate is borderline incompetence.
Heads need to roll over this.
I worked all day yesterday morning then went out with the missus for lunch in the arvo. I only actually found out cos Feenix alerted me to the news!
Look, it might seem like I'm being a smart alec, but I'm really just trying to help the forum understand certain facts. The main fact is, it's the surgeons/specialists that decide on the treatment options for the players. The Crows staff (including Hass/Burton) would have absolutely no say on this matter - it's not their job to be involved in surgical talks). And then there's the issue of Brad himself finalising his own decisions on opting for ongoing conservative treatment, surgery, or perhaps even quit the game altogether. Noone can force a player to decide on surgery unless the player agrees to it.
We are only saying "if surgery gave me the best chance of playing again, in the shortest amount of time, then I would 100% take that option" ONLY with the benefit of hindsight. Noone can predict the outcome from surgery and noone can guarantee that surgery in Brad's case would have been a better option than conservative measures. If you think the surgeons could guarantee it, why would there even be such a delay until now?
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What if surgery on your groin could have unwanted side effects on your.... ah.... sex life. Would you want to try everything else before opting in for surgery?
Where are you getting your facts about the chances of success for surgery vs no surgery?
Brad has proven multiple times he can get over his groin issues from "no surgery", so why would they jump on "surgery" over the preseason?
jenny61_99
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Because it’s not the phys edders department that make decisions on surgery or not. It’s the specialists and surgeons that are dealing with the athlete, and the athlete himself. Hass and Burton may well have stuffed up on many aspects, but it is ridiculous to put this on them.
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Surgery is rarely a minor thing, and shouldn't be a first resort in most cases. Surgery is actually a big deal.
Honestly, some people are seriously downplaying the risks/complications of surgery. These operations are not the same risks as having a hair cut or a pedicure!
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Well he hasn’t because he has a history of injury, played encumbered last year and has been unseen this year
That’s why they would jump on “surgery” whatever that means.
Otherwise why do it now?
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All surgery has risks. Going under a general to have your wisdom teeth out has risks. You still do it though.
Because: RISKS of surgery.
And: the Specialist's advice.
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If you need to. Not for shits and giggles
jenny61_99
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Why do it now? Because they’ve done everything else possible and it hasn’t worked? It shows you how surgery is sometimes an absolute last resort. And there’s no guarantee that will work either.
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Sorry, I thought we had professional athletes playing elite sports.
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