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Injury Brad Crouch out for the year? #@%!
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Noooooooo
Can you just summarise what was being said in the Podcast?
In your case, it was high reward surgery! lol
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Prefer you to listen but getting jabs at the Eagles just to play. Jabs at half time.
Booked in for surgery 3 days after GF.
Well hopefully he won't be reading this! And besides, I don't think we're saying things that he hasn't heard before from his surgeon.
A couple of observations:
"In hindsight it's easy to say that Brad should've been handled differently." Yes, but that's what medical professionals are paid to do. Their whole job is based on foresight and predicting outcomes. The fact that so many of our established players aren't playing due to injury points to poor injury management. Have we copped more injuries this year? Yes, some of them bad luck but most not. Our pre-season was a debacle. Have we managed the injured players well? It's obvious we haven't.
On Brad in general, some blokes don't have the body to get through the rigours of AFL. I suspect he will need to be heavily managed for the remainder of his career. The injuries he cops, and the layoffs he needs, are those of 200-game veteran who has the experience to play in bursts. He's still only 24 but has already pounded his body just to play a string of games.
That then points to the arguments about his contract. Four years (2017 to 2020) @ 600k per year was a massive risk based on his history and what I think he will deliver in that window.
I think he will probably play his career out at the AFC, and on the right contract I hope he does. We just won't ever see his potential. On the flipside if another team thinks they can get him up and takes a punt on him, for the right price I'd trade him.
"In hindsight it's easy to say that Brad should've been handled differently." Yes, but that's what medical professionals are paid to do. Their whole job is based on foresight and predicting outcomes. The fact that so many of our established players aren't playing due to injury points to poor injury management. Have we copped more injuries this year? Yes, some of them bad luck but most not. Our pre-season was a debacle. Have we managed the injured players well? It's obvious we haven't.
On Brad in general, some blokes don't have the body to get through the rigours of AFL. I suspect he will need to be heavily managed for the remainder of his career. The injuries he cops, and the layoffs he needs, are those of 200-game veteran who has the experience to play in bursts. He's still only 24 but has already pounded his body just to play a string of games.
That then points to the arguments about his contract. Four years (2017 to 2020) @ 600k per year was a massive risk based on his history and what I think he will deliver in that window.
I think he will probably play his career out at the AFC, and on the right contract I hope he does. We just won't ever see his potential. On the flipside if another team thinks they can get him up and takes a punt on him, for the right price I'd trade him.
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It’s not all about brad, it was about me!
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Has anyone thought perhaps Brad didn't want surgery unless he had to?
Me personally if there is a possibility that something can resolve itself without cutting into me id take that option.
Me personally if there is a possibility that something can resolve itself without cutting into me id take that option.
What are you even talking about? Brad has *never* gotten over his groin issues. They've been ongoing and deteriorating for 18 months.
I'll defer to those who have greater knowledge than me when it comes to medical issues and treatments, but let's not distort the facts. He played all last year under pain management treatment and was visibly hampered by his injury regardless. If they didn't rest him for 6 weeks after the GF, they're at best overly optimistic and at worst, incompetent. If he broke down or deteriorated as a result of some preseason work, then they could have rested him from there at the very least. But we're now in June. That's 22 weeks this year they have had. Even if they rested him at the end of January, they should have made the call end of March at the latest. Instead, we're a further 8 weeks down the road.
I'm not a club basher, but I don't accept bullshit. If this was an isolated case I'd accept it. But it's not, it's a pattern of really poor injury management. And it coincides with the appointment of certain people, and the implementation of certain systems.
The jury is in.
Unfortunately in Brad’s case, surgery is an absolute last resort. Not just because of the risks involved, but because it’s just not that good. I agree that questions need to be asked as to whether we were at “last resort” a long time ago. Trouble is, in isolation, their management is fine, but there’s been a number of cases where we’ve pushed ahead too long with conservative management and ended up with players having surgery at less than ideal times in the season.
These conditions, Brad’s, are extremely difficult to manage and I think questions need to be asked as to how it got this bad in the first place and I think the answer likely lies roughly in the same spot as the answer for our hamstring epidemic.
Out training loads/programs have been extremely poor and poor for 2 years now. There were signs last year with a spate of hamstring injuries early, but it seems instead of rectifying this, we’ve gone full steam ahead and some guys have come down with hamstrings, others with groin injuries. It’s all a sign of overtraining/poor injury prevention program.
These conditions, Brad’s, are extremely difficult to manage and I think questions need to be asked as to how it got this bad in the first place and I think the answer likely lies roughly in the same spot as the answer for our hamstring epidemic.
Out training loads/programs have been extremely poor and poor for 2 years now. There were signs last year with a spate of hamstring injuries early, but it seems instead of rectifying this, we’ve gone full steam ahead and some guys have come down with hamstrings, others with groin injuries. It’s all a sign of overtraining/poor injury prevention program.
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How long he should have rested for is a subject of opinions, and it would be of a better opinion if all the facts were given to us. Brad's case is an isolated case, because he's the one that has not had one full season with us without a given injury/issue throughout his time at the Crows. There is no BS involved in Brad's case, because I keep repeating and I'll say it again - surgical decisions are not made by the club, they're made by the specialists in conjunction with Brad, weighing up all the pros and cons. You're also making a big assumption he had been rested for 22 weeks without any improvements, but I reckon he had gotten better somewhere mid-way and then another flare-up happened again.
In Brad's particular case, surgery also wouldn't guarantee a prolonged success because if he's genetically non-robust in the groin region, then what's to say it can't crumble again? Surgery is not a guarantee, and it's an emphasis I'm making, more in Brad's case (compared with all other players on our list). This is most likely why they're trying all the conservative measures first before making this final decision.
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Given all the players who have had chronic OP in the past (like Judd), surely we should be learning from how they dealt with it.
There may not be a one solution for all, but once it has got to injection stage to get on the park, another solution needs to be found in the longer term.
It's just sad we can't get a gun player on the ground.
There may not be a one solution for all, but once it has got to injection stage to get on the park, another solution needs to be found in the longer term.
It's just sad we can't get a gun player on the ground.
I always enjoy your input and well measured responses. It's ok to be angry at the club, but Brad's delayed surgery has merits that I feel a lot on here aren't understanding the concept of "surgery failure rates" and "complication risks".
It’s not ‘first.’
It’s 9 months later. Plus the injury management last year where he played through it...
So a full year?
We understand those factors, but, again, how prevalent are they in the world of elite sports; AFL specifically?
It’s 9 months later. Plus the injury management last year where he played through it...
So a full year?
We understand those factors, but, again, how prevalent are they in the world of elite sports; AFL specifically?
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And are you in a same position who has experienced or a witness to severe complications or surgical failures as others? If not, then you need to take a step back and think about why there is a delay in the surgical decision.
Not understanding things properly and chucking all the blame on the club is the biggest fault we can do as a fan.
When he's seen playing AFL games with us, and in between episodes of him having "groin issues".
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