News Brad Crouch to Saints (STK make offer; Band 3, ADL to match?)

[ContrarianCrow]

Haha

...so the Crows banished the awful Pick 2 forever... because it was haunted.

“Shake harder, boy!”

 

[Big Dub]

You only have to match the exact structure in the draft. FA matching is average only.

Yes it's stupid.

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From:https://www.afl.com.au/about-afl/free-agency

Matching Offers
A contract offer is matched if the football payments and ASAs are equivalent under the offer and the contract proposed by the player’s current club. To qualify as a matching offer, the player’s current club must make an offer on the same terms as the new offer tabled by the player including:

• Contract length;
• Base payments;
• Total match payments;
• Total ASA payments;

Total performance incentives based on AFL awards or honours, club best and fairest finish or games played (not including finals). Any incentives for team performance do not have to be matched. A player cannot table an offer to be matched for less than a two-year contract length.



I think that the first sentence from the final para was supposed to be a bullet point also. The "games played" incentives is what could be painful for us.

However, the decision on whether or not to match the Crouch offer has less to do with what the Crouch deal will cost us, and more to do with what not matching may cost us in the next 20 negotiations. St Kilda tried to stitch us up by offering a contract with incentives that made it low for compensation consideration but high for us to accept. That's bad faith negotiations and shouldn't be rewarded, or Clubs will know that this can be done to us with no repercussions.

Sometimes you have to call a bluff, even if it costs you for that negotiation. Or, as a team mate on day release from prison once told me, "never start a fight in the yard, but never back down either. You REALLY don't want to be anyone's bitch". Jon was a scary guy, but he isn't wrong. St Kilda probably get the deal done anyway and it doesn't cost us anything. Worst case, we keep Brad at a time we have a salary cap to do it and stay down 1 year longer than we would have (with an extra top 5 pick that makes us stronger in the long run).

 

[Cleric]

This post is just cherry picking for your argument.

You are making assumptions on points I haven't even brought up, and as with everyone else continue to ignore Brads durability, and the fact just about every mid declines at 30, with some outliers. We'll be lucky to get 2 years of peak Brad during a rebuild.

There's been gun medium/small sized since forever. It doesnt hurt to have one tall mid, look what happened when Bont played us, no match up, destroyed us. Macrae kills us every time as well.

Breakaway speed is very important, it helped Richmond win a flag, we are hoping Jones becomes that, as well as whatever we use our top midfield pick on this year. Brad has it, but also butchers it a lot.

Daniel is a defender who cost them a prelim when Geary took 4 contested marks on him, and kicked 2 goals. He had a great year but finally got exposed.

Talk about cherry picking.
Tell me what attributes Hatley has that sets him apart from other mids? Other than height what's makes him a good replacement for Brad.
Try and do that without saying height.
And Hatley is a long way away from knowing how his body will hold up. Could get an ACL first day of training. Could get another.

 

[Betts are off]

Listen re Crouch from 13:40 sec

Matt Rendell on Adam Treloar, Jesse Hogan, Jeremy Cameron and more - Dwayne's World - Monday 2nd November

Matt Rendell speaks to Huddo about today's big trade news, including Adam Treloar, Jesse Hogan, Ben Brown, Jeremy Cameron and Brad Crouch.

player.whooshkaa.com

Is that stuff Rendell said about changing the terms of the deal length true? That's news to me

 

[Trigger13]

I’m hearing Brad is adamant that he doesn’t want to play for us again — despite what he has said to the media. If that’s true, this club is even more inept than I first thought.

The only way to save face now is somehow convince another club to trade for him on the matched salary. Like a Gold Coast, Sydney or Essendon.

 

[1990crow]

Talk about cherry picking.
Tell me what attributes Hatley has that sets him apart from other mids? Other than height what's makes him a good replacement for Brad.
Try and do that without saying height.
And Hatley is a long way away from knowing how his body will hold up. Could get an ACL first day of training. Could get another.

If we can get Hately on the Scott Thompson gym regime he could end up very handy.

 

[Brett Cummings]

And the retort.


Imagine having someone at our club have a dig back.

the buckley tweet was in response to senior players supposedly wanting treloar gone.

 

[Scorpus]

I can see us accepting the compensation pick and then gaslighting supporters

"Pick 2 was never on the table. We have been comfortable since day one about accepting a second round pick. Rory Sloane

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was only a pick 44. We have the best recruiters in the land"

 

[WaynesWorld19]

Is that stuff Rendell said about changing the terms of the deal length true? That's news to me

Surprised me too ....thought the contract had to be matched ....Rendell saying Crouch can alter terms, but Crows can't

Vader this is your domain

 

[rabidcrow]

Real smart of Brisbane paying 830k a year for a broken down player. Good luck with that. They will lose a decent player in 2 to 3 years.

But they have been to the prelim so they would see their window as the next 2 years. If they don’t win one then a mini reset will start anyway
They should some balls and punted in a bloke that could be the difference did he stays sound. They aren’t winning one with the their current list


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[relapse]

So can I cross you off the list of suspects (softcocks) that complained about me giving their post a LOL?

I don't think it was complaining as such, more that it clearly says in the politics thread (it's stickied to every page) that abuse and/or trolling by laugh liking comments that you don't agree with were against the rules.

Those same standards apply to everyone so at the end of the day if people choose to continue to do that sort of stuff in that thread they do so at their own risk.

 

[ltdamn]

No we didn't. The AFL suspended them both already

The AFL did and I thought we were also sanctioning them?

 

[Doc_]

With so many pages since 10am I thought something must have happened.
Nope..............

 

[Samcro24]

the buckley tweet was in response to senior players supposedly wanting treloar gone.

No shit

 

[Betts are off]

Surprised me too ....thought the contract had to be matched ....Rendell saying Crouch can alter terms, but Crows can't

Vader this is your domain

Well, that adds a bit of a wrinkle to the story if true

 

[texanmike]

With so many pages since 10am I thought something must have happened.
Nope..............

lol my thoughts too, but i bet we wont know more until wednesday....crows always get dicked come trade period.

 

[Crow till I die]

I can see us accepting the compensation pick and then gaslighting supporters

"Pick 2 was never on the table. We have been comfortable since day one about accepting a second round pick. Rory Sloane

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was only a pick 44. We have the best recruiters in the land"

or even better..the AFL come out and say that all Adelaide had to do was accept St Kilda's offer to take Dunstan to help free up their salary cap which we were fine with and the deal they were going to lodge would have got you pick 2

 

[Brett Cummings]

No sh*t

just making sure you knew lol.

 

[Crow Envy]

I’m hearing Brad is adamant that he doesn’t want to play for us again — despite what he has said to the media. If that’s true, this club is even more inept than I first thought.

The only way to save face now is somehow convince another club to trade for him on the matched salary. Like a Gold Coast, Sydney or Essendon.

If you were Brad, we haven’t presented a contract since the beginning of the year and we’ve tried to shop him for a pick windfall, we are bottom and they are finalists on the up, would you want to stay?

 

[Doc_]

I don't think it was complaining as such, more that it clearly says in the politics thread (it's stickied to every page) that abuse and/or trolling by laugh liking comments that you don't agree with were against the rules.

Those same standards apply to everyone so at the end of the day if people choose to continue to do that sort of stuff in that thread they do so at their own risk.

The people making the rules have NFI.
The have banned mentioning "trump derangement syndrome" or "TDS" from the trump thread on the SRP board.
Nope, no TDS there, its only up to part 15!
Really hoping for a Trump win just for the hilarity that will ensue on the SRP board. The TDS will kick into overdrive.

 

[Bring back Bas]

Is that stuff Rendell said about changing the terms of the deal length true? That's news to me

Surprised me too ....thought the contract had to be matched ....Rendell saying Crouch can alter terms, but Crows can't

Vader this is your domain

I think he means that if Adelaide match and Brad stays, Brad and the club can at any point renegotiate the contract - the same way that can happen with any contracted player if both parties agree.

 

[Schulzycrow]

You watch, talking tough for the past two weeks then roll over for peanuts. Best thing now would be for Brad to stay. Not going to get true value for him from the lowball saints.

Oh FFS.

 

[BunjiMac]

I’m hearing Brad is adamant that he doesn’t want to play for us again — despite what he has said to the media. If that’s true, this club is even more inept than I first thought.

The only way to save face now is somehow convince another club to trade for him on the matched salary. Like a Gold Coast, Sydney or Essendon.

This is such amateur hour stuff.

The crows had to maintain the right internal messages with Brad Crouch

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for him to still be bought in to what we were trying to do. If we had put him off side it would not surprise me in the slightest if he told St Kilda he was out of there regardless.

 

[Vhaluus]

I don't think it was complaining as such, more that it clearly says in the politics thread (it's stickied to every page) that abuse and/or trolling by laugh liking comments that you don't agree with were against the rules.

Those same standards apply to everyone so at the end of the day if people choose to continue to do that sort of stuff in that thread they do so at their own risk.

Will the mod team consider expanding that rule to our entire board?

 

[Hodgy]

I’m hearing Brad is adamant that he doesn’t want to play for us again — despite what he has said to the media. If that’s true, this club is even more inept than I first thought.

The only way to save face now is somehow convince another club to trade for him on the matched salary. Like a Gold Coast, Sydney or Essendon.

Cameron isn’t going to play for GWS again either. Hasn’t stopped them matching. It’s probably good for us if he doesn’t want to stay. Get your new club to pony up in a trade or find someone else.