Brendan Fevola Trade Thread

[NT.Thunder]

Re: Fev trade

No it's because we have whiny little bitches like you that over react all the time

No need for this blatsplat.......Your new here so give the guys some respect rather then talking shite!

We all have to agree to disagree as we all know what is best for the club.

There is no need to rubbish other supporters just throwing their thoughts into the ring.

Some will want Fev and some won't and i'm sure at the end of the day we will all be happy with what ever action the Pies FC take.

 

[Quicky]

Re: Fev trade

Ball played well in the wet, can't get a kick when it's dry

Tuck butchers half his possessions

And Carlton will get Cloke over Hine's cold dead body

I'd say you are a little wet behind the ears


And Akihabara is far better value.. baka gaijin

Josh Kennedy is an inside mid who we could get with a second rounder that we should look at. Would really add a contested physical edge to our midfield group that we lacked in finals and has years ahead of him.

I hope we check out Charman too.

 

[HFF]

Re: Fev trade

C'mon dude, you know me, and you know I'm messing with him.

My fear is that we're always one player away and always will be. We have the chance here to get it done, strike fear into our opponents. Even if it's only for 3 years, the opposition has to plan for Fevola, Cloke, Medhurst, Didak, Anthony and Davis. Think about it.

Pick 14 is being severely overrated by some. It's a speculative selection, Fevola, like it or not, is a superstar and take us to the next level for the next 3 years.

Without him, we're still a long way away from the benchmark, and I tell you something, we're also going to be competing with Hawthorn again. If we have Fevola, we also have the scoring power to match it with Franklin and Roughead.

Young talent, while it is the backbone of footy, it is severely over rated when pursuing a superstar, sorry I mean megastar. And the fact the salary Fev is on has been brought into play, means we can negotiate harder as we have plenty of room.

Yeh, I hear ya.

I'm still leaning towards youth and Hine.

Nonetheless I will support any decision the club makes.

OK, like yr namesake yr still a little wet behind the ears so i'll explain a couple of things.

If you read the post thats why i said Pick 14 + Cloke at a pinch.

When you go to Singapore sim lim square, do you say, hmmm that camera for $400 but i'm willing to pay $600 if you cant do that deal?

Luke Ball, Damaged goods as you call him....2009 GF 10 contested possesions and 7 clearances from around 50% game time....My god, imagine if he was the player he once was.

Now apart from Obree in the PF, no one else had any numbers even close to this. The game against ADL isnt even worth mentioning regarding CP and Cl numbers.

Shane Tuck, A bloke who thrives on contested possesions. Hard bodied and hard at the contest. Would allow guys like Swan and Pendles to play wider and improve the CP and inside 50's count which we lack tenfold. Cost = nothing.

Drum is young with excellent disposal, top 10 draft pick who IMO will be cheap and a good fit for the pies.

In regards to this post, blatsplat is correct.

Tuck may win it but he burns the ball. He is no better than O'Bree.

Ball is a shadow of himself. Sure, he was good in the conditions that suited him on GF day but his kicking penetration has deserted him and injuries have cruelled him. He is damaged goods.

And, as for Drum, high draft pick status means shit. He couldn't get a consistent game in a bottom 4 side. He is struggling to make the grade. Cheap or not, we have plenty of his type ala Goldsack who is also better too.

 

[Quicky]

Re: Fev trade

No it's because we have whiny little bitches like you that over react all the time

Dude you will come out second best matching wits with Didaka. And theres no need for that sh!t. If you are gonna chucky a tanty instead of debating you're points just agree to disagree.

 

[didaka]

Re: Fev trade

Josh Kennedy is an inside mid who we could get with a second rounder that we should look at. Would really add a contested physical edge to our midfield group that we lacked in finals and has years ahead of him.

Kennedy at this stage would be the only other player I'd be happy to target. He should become a very good inside midfielder.

 

[NT.Thunder]

Re: Fev trade

Yeh, I hear ya.

I'm still leaning towards youth and Hine.

Nonetheless I will support any decision the club makes.



In regards to this post, blatsplat is correct.

Tuck may win it but he burns the ball. He is no better than O'Bree.

Ball is a shadow of himself. Sure, he was good in the conditions that suited him on GF day but his kicking penetration has deserted him and injuries have cruelled him. He is damaged goods.

And, as for Drum, high draft pick status means shit. He couldn't get a consistent game in a bottom 4 side. He is struggling to make the grade. Cheap or not, we have plenty of his type ala Goldsack who is also better too.

Well maybe, but i think it still improves our list and makes us go forward. IMO Ball and Tuck are better players and more consistant players then Obree. The issue isn't with Obree it's with who is next after Obree to help with the Cl and CP. Dayne Beams is who. I know we all rate him but he is only young and may be succeptable tp 2nd year blues.

Inside mids are always going to have a lower DE rate then outside mids due to pressure. It's an area i feel strongly about improving at Collingwood.

So i hear alot of guys saying they don't want players, but i dont see alot of options being put forward.

Who do we target........and realistically moreso!

Good night

 

[didaka]

Re: Fev trade

I don't understand the hate for O'Bree, he has given us bloody good value in and under. I'd be happy to find another player with his output. The blokes given 10 years of service.

 

[Quicky]

Re: Fev trade

Kennedy at this stage would be the only other player I'd be happy to target. He should become a very good inside midfielder.

And he has been linked to Sydney with their third rounder. I'd be happy to part with our second rounder to snare him - would really compliment our midfield. Although i'd be just as happy if we got Charman (even with his injury history) and addressed our ruck issues given Frasers degenerative knee issues.

 

[didaka]

Re: Fev trade

I think Kennedy has a lot of worth. A 3rd round selection is a huge win in Sydney's favor.

If we don't pursue Fev, you'd look at Kennedy. He was highly rated as a junior and would probably have a brighter career than a 30ish 2nd round selection.

He's shown a lot this past season.

 

[KissStephanie]

Re: Fev trade

"It is understood the Pies' football department is not as open to adding Fevola to its mix as McGuire may be, but that may change during official talks next week." Straight from the herald sun.

I'm sure that's the case with all clubs because he is a risk and it's a very similar situation to Ben Cousins last year. Carlton will do what they can to off-load him though because there is no doubt that his time there is over and they need a club to pay as much of his salary as possible.

They are not going to be seeking the kind of compensation in return that many are suggesting here because Carlton are aware that he is a risk of re-offending. The only issue for Collingwood is to offer more than any other club that may be interested, but I don't think any other club will be offering too much either because of the risk.

i am willing to throw Pick 14 + Cloke.

All I can say is thank goodness you don't have any say in such matters. You have admitted that you would offer Travis Cloke to Richmond for Tuck and Simmonds. There is no way that such a young Copeland Trophy winner will be traded to any club for any player. Jack Anthony, Ben Reid and Nathan Brown won't be considered by Collingwood either.

 

[Copeland]

Re: Fev trade

I wonder who Hine has his eye on at pick 14, he might think he has someone special.

 

[NT.Thunder]

Re: Fev trade

Thank god none of us on here are in charge of recruiting! I'm trying to find out what the general consensus is.

You cant say guys are off limits and that trading players wont be considered by collingwood....How the hell would you know.....Give your opinnion and don't make it fact because you have as much say as i do which is none. If Hine wishes to trade Cloke/Dawes/Brown/Reid then i have complete trust in him whatever his motives are.

Keep faith!

There are alot of people that share the view that Fev would be worth pick 14 + Cloke. There are alot that don't also, and i respect this.

I'll say it again, i think we should offer 14 + Dawes and go from there. How many times do i have to say it. This is the starting point for me. Cloke is the finish point for me.

Do you think that Cloke will kick 80+ goals a season with no addition to the Fwd line? He won't.

Quality 4 quality.

I think Fev is a dik but a gun player dik which helps us achieve our goal.

The Cloke/14 - Simmonds/Tuck was a feeler......I see how stupid this is?

 

[Woodsman 4 Life]

Re: Fev trade

This is an idea and i wouldn't know what could be traded but hopefully others could make a comment on the issue ..

Would it be a possibility that Pies, Blues and Eagles could work in a 3 way trade to get Fev to Pies & Spangher to the blues ..

Not sure on what picks teams would get, and not sure what eagles would get, but it could end up:

Blues: Getting Dawes, Spangher and (Our Pick 14)
Pies: Fevola
Eagles: Cox from us and a 2nd round draft pick from blues ??

Just threw this idea together .. what ppl think ? I think it looks alright, everyones a winner

 

[Cousin of Daicos]

Re: Fev trade

This is an idea and i wouldn't know what could be traded but hopefully others could make a comment on the issue ..

Would it be a possibility that Pies, Blues and Eagles could work in a 3 way trade to get Fev to Pies & Spangher to the blues ..

Not sure on what picks teams would get, and not sure what eagles would get, but it could end up:

Blues: Getting Dawes, Spangher and (Our Pick 14)
Pies: Fevola
Eagles: Cox from us and a 2nd round draft pick from blues ??

Just threw this idea together .. what ppl think ? I think it looks alright, everyones a winner

Eagles lose in that deal BIG time.

Eagles would need to get maybe Medhurst/Davis and Cox. Seems more fair. They don't need key forwards anymore.

 

[danielnajdek]

Re: Fev trade

listening to Ed on MMM Cloke is going nowhere so don't bother throwing up Clokes name anymore All these Carltons supporters are in denial. They think the board are bluffing so they're gonna get a massive shock when Fev isn't there next year

 

[shawthing09]

Re: Fev trade

You have to remember when calculating "future" fowardlines, to include Fev if we are succesful.

I can't for the life of me see a need for Fev,Ja (who I wouldn't be open to involving in the trade aswell as Cloke and Dawes.)

Cloke and Dawes are IMO competing for the same spot in the foward line, that roam around lead up CHF. Dawes contested marking is never going to allow him to be a deep foward pressence. If he is going to make it he is going to have to get on his bike, burn defenders through work rate and get space that way.

Cloke's had 1 good year of football playing as a second foward bombing it into Rocca. There is no need for 2 lead up CHF's so one of them has deffinately got to be tradeable. There is no point saying "Cloke is off limits" " Oh Dawes is off limits too" when realistically long term they play the same role in the best 22. If Cloke is off limits then Dawes should not be and ditto the other way around.

As for pick 14 if we use it on a KPP there is every chance that player will come good towards the end of our premiership window. So you are picking for the future but neglecting the present. Hypothetically you pick Pano's and he comes good when Swanny, Dids and Davis are all on the decline.

 

[incog43]

Re: Fev trade

Cloke and Dawes are IMO competing for the same spot in the foward line, that roam around lead up CHF. Dawes contested marking is never going to allow him to be a deep foward pressence. If he is going to make it he is going to have to get on his bike, burn defenders through work rate and get space that way.

Cloke's had 1 good year of football playing as a second foward bombing it into Rocca. There is no need for 2 lead up CHF's so one of them has deffinately got to be tradeable. There is no point saying "Cloke is off limits" " Oh Dawes is off limits too" when realistically long term they play the same role in the best 22. If Cloke is off limits then Dawes should not be and ditto the other way around.

As for pick 14 if we use it on a KPP there is every chance that player will come good towards the end of our premiership window. So you are picking for the future but neglecting the present. Hypothetically you pick Pano's and he comes good when Swanny, Dids and Davis are all on the decline.

Good post.

Cloke is a good footballer, he is not elite however. Played well at the end of the year but was pretty ordinary up until round 15 (odd game excepted). Listen, he can't kick straight, great overhead, works hard, but he can't kick straight.

We don't need Medhurst, and after this season, what value does he have. He is a good player, but we have Betts, Garlet & Yarran for that role.

Dawes, Brown etc, could be guns, could be decent players, could be delisted in time, who knows.

Fevola is elite(and trouble), you know you are going to get 80+ goals at the start of round 1.

I suspect its been so long since you had a KFF some of you may have forgotten the difference they make. FFS, you are no longer rebuilding, you have the cattle out there, except for one position. Its been said many times that your sides strength is its eveness over the park. You have an elite midfield mostly and a solid forward line. Like it or not, your forward line is just that, solid. This isnt about finishing top 4, its about winning a flag. You need Fevola, or someone like him.

If you want Fevola, you will pay big for him, if you don't want Fevola, you will offer pick 14 and Dawes. Carlton will lose big as well, a gun FF and most likely carry some of his salary.

You will not win a flag in the next 3 - 4 years without Fevola or someone like him. Business as usual, 3 - 8. You know it, I know it, EM & MM know it.

 

[smiddaz123]

Re: Fev trade

1- Dawes could be anything from delisted to a star, but Brown won't be delisted. He's a certainty to make it.

2- Carlton are offering him up for trade. You can't expect market value for him. He's 29 and comes with a big, big risk. You won't get a heap.

 

[incog43]

Re: Fev trade

1- Dawes could be anything from delisted to a star, but Brown won't be delisted. He's a certainty to make it.

2- Carlton are offering him up for trade. You can't expect market value for him. He's 29 and comes with a big, big risk. You won't get a heap.

Brown looks the goods, but so did Cloke a couple of years ago, there is a difference betwwen being elite and being a good player.

Carlton have not sacked him, offering to trade is just that, if Fevola was still at the blues come round 1, I wouldnt be upset. Time heals all wounds mate, and we know he will kick 80+ goals.

I dont see your risk, Im sorry the whole world knows his issues, EM will slap a minder on him straight away, You are merely giving him a second chance as I see it, or not I guess.

He has at least 3 good years of footy in him, your window is open. Whats a flag worth? Some risk?

 

[Quicky]

Re: Fev trade

Brown looks the goods, but so did Cloke a couple of years ago, there is a difference betwwen being elite and being a good player.

Carlton have not sacked him, offering to trade is just that, if Fevola was still at the blues come round 1, I wouldnt be upset. Time heals all wounds mate, and we know he will kick 80+ goals.

I dont see your risk, Im sorry the whole world knows his issues, EM will slap a minder on him straight away, You are merely giving him a second chance as I see it, or not I guess.

He has at least 3 good years of footy in him, your window is open. Whats a flag worth? Some risk?

It really depends on how much conviction and how serious Carlton are about trading Fevola. I think there is the distinct impression that Fevola has burnt his bridges irreperably at Carlton with a number of senior players and others too. If thats the case - and it seems plausible even likely - then you're bargaining power is severely reduced. I guess only time will tell what the truth is.

Also to say Medhurst wouldn't be a good fit because of Yarran, Garlett, Betts is like me saying Fev isn't a good fit courtesy of Anthony, Cloke and Dawes. Medhurst is pure quality and would fit in well in anyones forward line. Besides the fact if you lost Fev you would be looking for proven, game breaking goalscorers. He is an AA for a reason, just like Fev is. If you came out of a deal with say Dawes and Medhurst (I think that is about the limit of what i'd be willing to see us trade) I think we would both have done well - you out of a sh!t situation and us at the opportunity of grabbing a flag with an elite player. I still think a Dawes and pick 14 may be enough in the circumstances - if not altogether likely.

 

[skelly12]

Re: Fev trade

Brown looks the goods, but so did Cloke a couple of years ago, there is a difference betwwen being elite and being a good player.

Carlton have not sacked him, offering to trade is just that, if Fevola was still at the blues come round 1, I wouldnt be upset. Time heals all wounds mate, and we know he will kick 80+ goals.

I dont see your risk, Im sorry the whole world knows his issues, EM will slap a minder on him straight away, You are merely giving him a second chance as I see it, or not I guess.

He has at least 3 good years of footy in him, your window is open. Whats a flag worth? Some risk?

Did you see Brett Rattens speech, I think it may have been the BnF? It was on the news last night. He basically condemned Fevola and warned any other player on the list that such behaviour will not be tolerated. I think its pretty obvious he is going to make an example of Fevola.

Before last night I thought Fev would remain a Blue but now i'm certain he'll be lining up elsewhere.

 

[Histrionics]

Re: Fev trade

Did you see Brett Rattens speech, I think it may have been the BnF? It was on the news last night. He basically condemned Fevola and warned any other player on the list that such behaviour will not be tolerated. I think its pretty obvious he is going to make an example of Fevola.

Before last night I thought Fev would remain a Blue but now i'm certain he'll be lining up elsewhere.

I seen that too.

I still don't know what to believe.

My first thoughts were that Carlton were putting Fev up for trade but would make the deal very hard to do. Now I don't know.

Hopefully we can make a deal happen but if we get rid of Trav the forward line will not function the same. IMO there is no point getting rid of cloke to get Fev when our forward line won't be as effective. A Cloke/Fev forward line will work much better.

 

[Optimax]

Re: Fev trade

Greg Denham said on sen this morning (yes i know know sen), that carlton will take an offer for less then fevola is worth if it means they have to pay none of his salary.

They only want a top 10 pick plus sweetener if they still have to pay part of his contract. Basically carlton want fevola and his contract gone.

Meaning this trade has become one hell of alot more feasible

 

[HFF]

Re: Fev trade

Greg Denham said on sen this morning (yes i know know sen), that carlton will take an offer for less then fevola is worth if it means they have to pay none of his salary.

They only want a top 10 pick plus sweetener if they still have to pay part of his contract. Basically carlton want fevola and his contract gone.

Meaning this trade has become one hell of alot more feasible

Not convinced with that.

All smoke and mirrors if you ask me.

Put it this way, last year, would you as a supporter, be happy if we had turfed Didak for next to nothing because we wanted him off our books and out of the club?

Is that good business to you?

 

[Optimax]

Re: Fev trade

Not convinced with that.

All smoke and mirrors if you ask me.

Put it this way, last year, would you as a supporter, be happy if we had turfed Didak for next to nothing because we wanted him off our books and out of the club?

Is that good business to you?

didak is on no where near 700K now is he

Its not that they are selling him extra cheap but instead moving him on for less then a top 10 pick

Makes alot of sense too