Brisbane Will Finish At Least 2 Games Clear Of Collingwood In 2008!!!

[PROUD LION]

Yep, that's my call......bookmark me and either commend or bag me after Rd.22

The main reasons for my opinion is that I see their spine as one of the weakest of the top performed sides. For me, a spine that includes Rocca, O'Bree, Wakelin and Fraser just doesn't cut it. A prime example was the Geelong Prelim. where a decent ruckman and an even 4 quarter CHF effort of say 10 kicks, 3 goals would have seen a Pies premiership in 2007.

Travis Cloke is a top young footballer, but would be a lot better if Rocca was not in the team. Rocca has only once delivered on the big stage (2002 GF)...but then, surprise surprise his body failed him in crunch time at the end of the game I may be harsh, but not as harsh as Pies supporters are going to be if they miss out on silverware b/c of this overated dinosaur.

I'd be playing Cloke at CHF and Rusling at FF with Davis, Thomas and Medhurst crumming and Didak as the freak that every forward line needs

Both teams have young emerging lists with players developing much quicker than expected, with almost half their lists being U/21. The reason I think the Lions will overtake the Pies this year is the more experienced players at Brisbane are a lot better (particularly in the KP) than at Collingwood. Even though they didn't play much last year, losing Buckley and Clement will hurt the Pies, and in the 2 areas most big games are decided nowdays.

Take a look at say the TOP 6 experienced players at each club:

Black v O'Bree
Brown v Rocca
Charman v Fraser
Power v Burns
Lappin v Lockyer
Notting v Maxwell

Apart from Maxwell, the other players compared are well in Brisbanes' favour.

I think that the Pies will definately play finals this season, as they should with 18 games in Melbourne, it's just that I think that until the "old breed" are replaced (Rocca, O'Bree, Fraser, Burns)....the Pies will not win the ultimate prize. These players have tried and failed in their quest for a premiership, there's no point slowing down the development of a team just so that these players get a game.

As for the Lions, anything can happen with Matthews steering the ship and Brown tearing teams apart week in week out.....I think the younger brigade (Adcock, Merrett, Drummond, Hooper) will decide where the Lions end up this season.

Final word;

Lions 14-8
Pies 12-10

Your honest thoughts would be much appreciated

 

[Shellz]

My honest thought is that there is yet another thread about Collingwood by someone who doesn't support them.

Is this infatuation with our club ever going to end?

 

[j2roc]

Yep, that's my call......bookmark me and either commend or bag me after Rd.22

The main reasons for my opinion is that I see their spine as one of the weakest of the top performed sides. For me, a spine that includes Rocca, O'Bree, Wakelin and Fraser just doesn't cut it. A prime example was the Geelong Prelim. where a decent ruckman and an even 4 quarter CHF effort of say 10 kicks, 3 goals would have seen a Pies premiership in 2007.

Travis Cloke is a top young footballer, but would be a lot better if Rocca was not in the team. Rocca has only once delivered on the big stage (2002 GF)...but then, surprise surprise his body failed him in crunch time at the end of the game I may be harsh, but not as harsh as Pies supporters are going to be if they miss out on silverware b/c of this overated dinosaur.

I'd be playing Cloke at CHF and Rusling at FF with Davis, Thomas and Medhurst crumming and Didak as the freak that every forward line needs

Both teams have young emerging lists with players developing much quicker than expected, with almost half their lists being U/21. The reason I think the Lions will overtake the Pies this year is the more experienced players at Brisbane are a lot better (particularly in the KP) than at Collingwood. Even though they didn't play much last year, losing Buckley and Clement will hurt the Pies, and in the 2 areas most big games are decided nowdays.

Take a look at say the TOP 6 experienced players at each club:

Black v O'Bree
Brown v Rocca
Charman v Fraser
Power v Burns
Lappin v Lockyer
Notting v Maxwell

Apart from Maxwell, the other players compared are well in Brisbanes' favour.

I think that the Pies will definately play finals this season, as they should with 18 games in Melbourne, it's just that I think that until the "old breed" are replaced (Rocca, O'Bree, Fraser, Burns)....the Pies will not win the ultimate prize. These players have tried and failed in their quest for a premiership, there's no point slowing down the development of a team just so that these players get a game.

As for the Lions, anything can happen with Matthews steering the ship and Brown tearing teams apart week in week out.....I think the younger brigade (Adcock, Merrett, Drummond, Hooper) will decide where the Lions end up this season.

Final word;

Lions 14-8
Pies 12-10

Your honest thoughts would be much appreciated

I would take Burns any day.

I think both teams will have a great year. See you at the Gabba!!

 

[PROUD LION]

I would take Burns any day.

I think both teams will have a great year. See you at the Gabba!!

Thanks for the honesty

 

[MarkT]

I am struggling with the logic. Brisbane weren’t good enough to make the 8. Collingwood were, according to the above, a ruckman and a decent CHF performance away from a premiership.

Ignoring the fact that Travis Cloke played CHF was probably the best forward on the ground, won the B&F and plater of the finals series for his club, Rocca did lead the comp. for contested marks and played with a few injuries that immobilised him. Collingwood also recruited a ruckman plus had their number 1 ruckman out of the match due to injury, although I do agree they are lacking in that area.

Why compare the experienced players when they weren’t good enough to get Brisbane into the 8? The 22 including these supposedly superior players wasn’t good enough so significant improvement will be required from the youth.

So apart from the factual inaccuracies, the logic seems to be Collingwood will finish below a side that couldn’t make the 8 because they have 2 positional deficiencies and an overall poor spine in spite of the fact that the spine has performed well.

If Brisbane improve markedly and if they don’t get many injuries they may overtake Collingwood but they start a fair bit behind.

 

[Zeke]

Collingwood are the benchmark by which all teams are measured, evidently.

Thank$.

 

[Hollow Knight]

Careful of making threads which have the potential to bite you on the ass Proud_Lion.

You don't want to get roped in with the Zekes, Gunnars and Dice-Mans of this world.

 

[PROUD LION]

I am struggling with the logic. Brisbane weren’t good enough to make the 8. Collingwood were, according to the above, a ruckman and a decent CHF performance away from a premiership.

Ignoring the fact that Travis Cloke played CHF was probably the best forward on the ground, won the B&F and plater of the finals series for his club, Rocca did lead the comp. for contested marks and played with a few injuries that immobilised him. Collingwood also recruited a ruckman plus had their number 1 ruckman out of the match due to injury, although I do agree they are lacking in that area.

Why compare the experienced players when they weren’t good enough to get Brisbane into the 8? The 22 including these supposedly superior players wasn’t good enough so significant improvement will be required from the youth.

So apart from the factual inaccuracies, the logic seems to be Collingwood will finish below a side that couldn’t make the 8 because they have 2 positional deficiencies and an overall poor spine in spite of the fact that the spine has performed well.

If Brisbane improve markedly and if they don’t get many injuries they may overtake Collingwood but they start a fair bit behind.

Our younger players will improve, but I think it's inclusion of 2 older players who will release the shackles of our 2 most influencial players, thus allowing the team to function a lot better than it did at times last season. Travis Johnstone and Daniel Bradshaw are both elite players in their positions and while we may not see the best of them until the 2nd half of the season, they will release pressure off Black and Brown

PS* Stop making excuses for Rocca, the football world knows he's not an elite forward.

 

[Zeke]

You don't want to get roped in with the Zekes, Gunnars and Dice-Mans of this world.

Those two amateurs are not fit to polish my keyboard.

 

[PROUD LION]

Collingwood are the benchmark by which all teams are measured, evidently.

Thank$.

If the benchmark is 1 premiership in 50 years, then yes

 

[Hollow Knight]

Those two amateurs are not fit to polish my keyboard.

Agreed, although in time they may learn to post as much rubbish as you.

 

[PROUD LION]

Careful of making threads which have the potential to bite you on the ass Proud_Lion.

You don't want to get roped in with the Zekes, Gunnars and Dice-Mans of this world.

I'm willing to take the Pie army on

Without the threat of failure, there is no glory in Victory

 

[j2roc]

PS* Stop making excuses for Rocca, the football world knows he's not an elite forward.

He's doing something right if every game he draws the best defender.

No one is going to take you seriously if your calling people ******. This is a pointless thread.

 

[MarkT]

Our younger players will improve

As will ours and they already had more impact than yours last year.

but I think it's inclusion of 2 older players who will release the shackles of our 2 most influencial players, thus allowing the team to function a lot better than it did at times last season. Travis Johnstone and Daniel Bradshaw are both elite players in their positions and while we may not see the best of them until the 2nd half of the season, they will release pressure off Black and Brown :

Pies will get Fraser back, Didak will have a pre season and play from round 1, Presti will be available and Wood is new to the team in the position most in need. Didak is better than Johnson and Presti is a better back than Bradshaw is a forward – if Bradshaw even plays forward. Pies have upside everywhere. Back forward, ruck and on ball.

PS* Stop making excuses for Rocca, the football world knows he's not an elite forward.

He has a better record than Bradshaw who you think is elite so I’m not sure how you reach your conclusions about the two respectively.

 

[Mingo]

Whatever...

 

[thatday]

Why do people that have little idea on our list insist on making threads including us? FFS, its getting old now, the reasons you have come up with are laughable at best, and then you call someone a ******, thats going to help you get a good response from Collingwood supporters.

Look at it like this,

Collingwood made finals in 2007 with our young players basically doing all the work as our more experienced players were injured for almost the whole year. Brisbane didn't make finals, they have good young players but they aren't as good as ours and our experienced players don't have much difference between them. Your list will improve, as will ours, we have a head start on you becase we made finals in 2006 and 2007, you didn't. You can't say that just because we have Rocca in the side you are going to finish 2 games above us. Don't speak about our list if you don't know what is happening or who our players are.

 

[wicksy]

Why is it that everyone needs to use Collingwood as their yardstick??? Why don't you look at Geelong Proud Lion?? They are the ones you are going to need to match up against in order to win a flag. Who cares if you beat us if you can't beat any other team in the league.

 

[Smoky]

If the benchmark is 1 premiership in 50 years, then yes

Actually its 2 premierships in 50 years you idiot.

Although I understand maths isnt your specialty - The fact of the matter is you had 15 teams to compare your team with and surprize, surprize you picked the Pies.

The reason you pick the Pies is because you know our passion is the benchmark, you know our supporters are loyal and true to the cause and you know by comparing your team to "The AFL Benchmark" that you will have a debate on your hands. Every clubs supporters do the same.

You all wish you were us

 

[jerry springer]

Take a look at say the TOP 6 experienced players at each club:

Black v O'Bree
Brown v Rocca
Charman v Fraser
Power v Burns
Lappin v Lockyer
Notting v Maxwell

The fact that we have so may up and coming youngsters around or soon to hit the 50 game mark(which is normally the benchmark for when a player has made it at AFL level) is a massive plus and something i thnk you have missed when you talk experience

these players include

Cloke
H.Shaw
Swan
H'Obrien
Thomas

On less games but still players who have shown something are

Pendlebury
Rusling
Clarke
Egan
Goldsack

all of these guys cept egan have a few finals games under their belts too now,and their is no better experience than that

another factor with the loss of Bucks and Clement who both will be missed there is a good chance a lot of these youngsters will step up and become more vocal and show leadership.that and with the addition of a young ruckman,Didak being injury free,Johnson returning are all positives.

Brisbane have a fantastic midfield and the best forward in the game and yes could be 2 spots up on us at the end of the season,but if there is one thing MM has shown is that he builds his teams for finals and our good record in finals this decade proves this.

 

[PROUD LION]

As will ours and they already had more impact than yours last year.Pies will get Fraser back, Didak will have a pre season and play from round 1, Presti will be available and Wood is new to the team in the position most in need. Didak is better than Johnson and Presti is a better back than Bradshaw is a forward – if Bradshaw even plays forward. Pies have upside everywhere. Back forward, ruck and on ball.He has a better record than Bradshaw who you think is elite so I’m not sure how you reach your conclusions about the two respectively.

Bradshaw goal ave. 2.01 as 3rd tall behind Lynch and Brown
Rocca goal ave. 1.72 as supposed #1 "gun forward"

Bradshaw 2 premierships
Rocca 0 premierships

Seems Bradshaw has the better record in these 2 "minor" catergories

 

[privatopia]

I'm willing to take the Pie army on

And that is all this thread is about, isn't it? I bet you're sitting at your computer all pumped up and feeling cool. Good luck with that dude.

You're not worth a genuine response

 

[Hollow Knight]

You all wish you were us

Bit of a reach painting all of us with the same brush.

I'd rather be like the teams that win flags myself.

Different strokes for different folks I guess.

 

[PROUD LION]

Why do people that have little idea on our list insist on making threads including us? FFS, its getting old now, the reasons you have come up with are laughable at best, and then you call someone a ******, thats going to help you get a good response from Collingwood supporters.

Look at it like this,

Collingwood made finals in 2007 with our young players basically doing all the work as our more experienced players were injured for almost the whole year. Brisbane didn't make finals, they have good young players but they aren't as good as ours and our experienced players don't have much difference between them. Your list will improve, as will ours, we have a head start on you becase we made finals in 2006 and 2007, you didn't. You can't say that just because we have Rocca in the side you are going to finish 2 games above us. Don't speak about our list if you don't know what is happening or who our players are.

Never asked for one

 

[thatday]

I'm willing to take the Pie army on

LOL, i wonder if you would say that if you wern't behind your computer, i also like the time of day you have picked, a very small amount of Collingwood supporters are online atm, good choice, and good luck.

 

[thatday]

Never asked for one

Then why did you make a thread including them?