Brodie Grundy tackle on Ben Brown

[hoianbulldog]

Yo

What I don't get is if the on-field umpires felt there was no need to cite him and in fact awarded him a free for Brown's incorrect disposal then that should be end of story, it was clearly deemed to be a correct tackle nothing in it. For the MRP then to take it upon themselves to initiate their own investigation and subsequent penalty of the player independent of and contradicting the umpire's decision at the time I think is a far worse look and problem for the AFL, so they need to decide what propaganda line is more important to roll out to the masses - is it the head or the absolute confidence in the umpires' decisions that is more sacrosanct at the end of the day?

FWIW I don't think he should even be looked at, perfect tackle, sure arms were held but they weren't 'pinned' in the true sense of the word since brown was able to retain possession and was trying to twist out of and break the tackle himself so unless Grundy has some kind of superpower to alter the laws of physics Im not certain what anyone expected him to do any differently...apart from just not even tackling at all?

U are kidding i assume?

 

[Art Vandelay_]

Might want to watch it again. The ball was gone long before he was tackled into the ground.

Having the ball or not does not matter, their rule on dangerous tackles.

3. Rough Conduct (Dangerous Tackles) The application of a tackle may be considered Rough Conduct which is unreasonable in the circumstances. In determining whether the application of a tackle constitutes a Reportable Offence and whether the offence is Careless or Intentional, without limitation, regard may be had to the following factors, whether:

» The tackle consists of more than one action, regardless of whether the Player being tackled is in possession of the ball;
» The tackle is of an inherently dangerous kind, such as a spear tackle or a tackle where a Player is lifted off the ground;
» The Player being tackled is in a vulnerable position (ie arms pinned) with little opportunity to protect himself;
» An opponent is slung, driven or rotated into the ground with excessive force.

 

[hoianbulldog]

This was back in the days before concussion was invented

WOW.........you just don't have the capacity to understand the conversation.

Bring back the biff.

 

[Prestigerrycomo]

If Grundy goes then Ziebell must as well for the tackle on Treloar

 

[PieNSauce]

If Grundy goes then Ziebell must as well for the tackle on Treloar

Huh? That's just being silly. Although I tend to agree in concept, Treloar was not injured and so it isn't even a consideration.

In the end, the main thing working for Brody is the fact that unlike the Dangerfield incident, Brown still had the ball when he hit the ground and there was no secondary movement or sling. Those are the things that the AFL expects to outlaw. Having said that, the MRP can be a bit like chooklotto so who the hell knows?

 

[MagpieJo]

You think Danger's tackle was worse? He at least tried to roll him over. Grundy just plowed Brown straight into the turf.

Sheesh you Collingwood fans are something.

Dangers opposition didn't have the ball , it was long gone.
Brown still had the ball, he should have let go and protected himself. When you get slung down like danger did you can't do that.

 

[MagpieJo]

You see Danger tackle worse than Grundy

So did the umpires it seems!

 

[MagpieJo]

Grundy wasn't as bad?

Do you even watch football? Kreuzer's shoulder made contact with the ground before his head did. Grundy slammed Brown head first into the ground.

Brown off to hospital means impact will be graded as severe = 3 weeks down to 2.

Wow I gotta quoted 5 times, 4 by cats supporters! You guys are so biased you shouldn't post!

I'll spell it out. Kreuzer did not have the ball, he wasn't expecting to be slung -and there was a secondary sling - to the ground. It's the no ball and secondary sling thing, both arms pinned could not protect himself.

Brown had the ball, his arms weren't pinned, he could have let go and protected himself, he chose not too and got knocked out, then he dropped the ball -der- and got pinged for incorrect disposal. Brodie's tackle was on the ball carrier, one movement, excessive force? The guy weighs about 100 plus kg, every movement is excessive force. It's a contact sport, unfortunately sometimes players get hurt accidentally.

I get why you cats supporters don't get it though, when was the last Collingwood player pinged for an off the ball hit? Mate Half your team love the cheap shot. It's like it's part of training! Worse than the Hawks.

Part of my teams problem actually, next to lacking a tall KPP at each end, we need an enforcer. Someone with a bit of mongrel.

 

[Thewlis Dish]

So did the umpires it seems!

Amazing how we'll question every umpiring decision, but will also use it as an argument when it suits.

The umpire got this one blatantly wrong. It was a dangerous tackle and should have been a free kick to Brown, not against him. He's not going to avoid suspension because the umpire paid a free kick.

 

[Thewlis Dish]

Brown had the ball, his arms weren't pinned

What? Grundy had his arms around both of Brown's elbows/forearms. Once he did that he had to be conscious of how he ended the tackle, which he wasn't as he opted to take Brown to ground. A lot of it is instinctive I agree but if players don't know they have a duty of care as the tackler in this situation now they never will.

Coaches like Buckley and Scott coming out and saying they think there is nothing wrong with the tackles doesn't help anyone.

 

[Grrr]

Should not be banned.

Difference between this and Danger's tackle is that Brown still had the ball. This was a good, hard tackle.

Play the game like men, dammit.

Play the game like men. Really. There are a million ways to get hurt on a footy field. We want to take injuries 'out' of the game, not allow new ways to hurt people. As opposed to the 'old days' where shirtfronts and elbows were the norm, now one of the most common ways to get injured is the pinned armed tackle.

Watched the Rich vs Hawks yesterday while adding to this thread. Half way through the quarter, Prestia pins the arms of a Hawk, and begins to sling him towards the turf but lets go so the player is able to absorb the hit. That is exactly how it should be done, and always was the way. Does that make Prestia less a man than Danger and Grundy.

 

[Timmy from Thomastown]

Brown was still in possession of the ball and fighting Grundy off when he fell forward. Not sure at what point in time Grundy was meant to release brown from the tackle without letting brown get the handball away

 

[Wojcinski]

If Danger got one, this deserves two.

Personally though I don't think either tackle deserves anything.

 

[Wojcinski]

Brown was still in possession of the ball and fighting Grundy off when he fell forward. Not sure at what point in time Grundy was meant to release brown from the tackle without letting brown get the handball away

According to the MRP, you need to turn the player or release before piledriving his head into the ground

 

[orion21]

If Grundy goes then Ziebell must as well for the tackle on Treloar

yes and the umpire called it a dangerous tackle on Treloar. The umpire talking to Zeibel(I think it was) while brown was getting placed on the stretcher said "i call it how I see it, I didn't think it was a dangerous tackle." go figure......end of day as long as Brown is ok that's all good. Zeibell wont get anything probably as the focus is on Grundy

 

[Kangaroos4eva]

yes and the umpire called it a dangerous tackle on Treloar. The umpire talking to Zeibel(I think it was) while brown was getting placed on the stretcher said "i call it how I see it, I didn't think it was a dangerous tackle." go figure......end of day as long as Brown is ok that's all good. Zeibell wont get anything probably as the focus is on Grundy

You aren't too familiar with Ziebell's history with the MRP and tribunal are you?

Sadly for Grundy, the image (the injury) and outcome (injury) are aspects that are factored into the mrp.

 

[Helfarch]

I am of the same opinion as the Dangerfield tackle, you concuss a player putting their head in the turf you get a week.

Only a week though because it appears from the limited vision I have seen that it is a single motion and Brown trying to stand up in the tackle causes the heavy landing. However I can understand how people would think it is a double motion.

 

[Timmy from Thomastown]

According to the MRP, you need to turn the player or release before piledriving his head into the ground

It wasn't for lack of trying. Brown was resisting

 

[orion21]

You aren't too familiar with Ziebell's history with the MRP and tribunal are you?

Sadly for Grundy, the image (the injury) and outcome (injury) are aspects that are factored into the mrp.

yeah I am, he has been screwed over a bit. I don't think the image of Brown shouldn't come into MRP consideration. Yes definitely the injury does. End of day danger got a week so Grundy will, but both players I don't think should have been/get suspended.

 

[JRyan23]

http://www.afl.com.au/news/2017-08-07/grundy-facing-double-dangers-suspension

 

[Helfarch]

http://www.afl.com.au/news/2017-08-07/grundy-facing-double-dangers-suspension

Well Nathan Schmook needs to look at the vision again.

It wasn't a tackle with two separate motions, it appears that way because Brown attempts to stand / run through the tackle and if it was a smaller player making the tackle it might have worked.

Grundy drives through the tackle but he isn't the one changing the direction of the tackle really.

Still could be two weeks because it's a bad look and that's all the AFL are really about - how they think they are perceived.

 

[Adz]

I'm hearing from AFL HQ he's been cleared.

 

[Helfarch]

I'm hearing from AFL HQ he's been cleared.

Locked in for the brownlow then.

 

[Whiskers]

Dangers opposition didn't have the ball , it was long gone.
Brown still had the ball, he should have let go and protected himself. When you get slung down like danger did you can't do that.

Haha you're the worst poster around and that's saying something.
Kruezer had the ball and was forced to throw it away because he was getting tackled. Amazing Danger didn't get a free also.
Both these incidents players lose the ball because they are getting tackled.
Danger also wasn't a sling, it wasn't judged as such either.
Do you have any idea about anything? Serious question.
You shouldn't post! Far too bias.

 

[Power04Surge]

We all know the mrp base their ban on the outcome and not the action. It's a contact sport ffs. Will get a week but God I'm tired of these kind of suspensions