Give it a rest and stop quoting the letter of the law.
Brown is heftier than Grundy.
FFS.
Brodie Grundy's tackle- what's the verdict?
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Brown is heftier than Grundy.
FFS.
Seems pretty obvious what they want to stamp out and how to avoid it. I'm not quoting anything just using common sense
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Do you have any recognition of how strong a bloke Brown is? For the record Grundy did exactly what you suggested - he'd dropped his weight so that his hips were at the level of Brown's knees from the point where he first laid the tackle and Brown was still fighting through it.
Any other suggestions for how he could have done that better Captain Hindsight?
Common sense has nothing to do with it - when two big men wrestle for the ball something is going to give.
Grundy wrapped him up and tried to bring him down which Brown - as hefty or heftier than Grundy fiercely resisted - both players doing the right thing.
Only 2 things can happen in that cirumstance - either Brown breaks the tackle or they both go down.
There was no hint of 2 actions in the tackle, Brown retained posession all the way to the ground. Brodie did everything required of him both in the play book and the law as it was written.
But still hysterical people will hand wring and moan about 'duty of care'.
Grundy will get a suspension because of the attitude that you parrot, NOT because he committed an offense.
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2 guys 100 kgs plus, gravity pulling them to ground, Perfect tackle executed by Grundy but he will get 1 week. Then Collingwood should go to the AFL for a please explain on what other options Grundy should have used ( NOT TACKLE) its a JOKE if he goes simple as that.
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Grundy's tackle
Grundy's take
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Non-worthwhile comparison (EAD Mark Stevens) - Grundy's tackle vs McCarthy's tackle that seen a 2 week suspension
Worthwhile and more recent comparison - Dangerfield's tackle that seen a 1 week suspension
Mark Stevens' take on Dangerfield's tackle
Mumford's tackle on Liberatore
Worthwhile and more recent comparison - Dangerfield's tackle that seen a 1 week suspension
Mark Stevens' take on Dangerfield's tackle
Mumford's tackle on Liberatore
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I'm not too good at reading the tea leaves on these things, but there seems to be strict liability whenever such a tackle has a discernible impact, no matter the mechanics/technique of the tackle and no matter the intention of the tackler. In this case, Ben Brown was KO'd and taken to hospital, and on the basis of recent precedent we won't have Grundy for a week.
The suspension of players due to the impact rather than the intention of their actions is problematic, not least because it amounts to punishing players for what the AFL/MRP feel is a 'bad look' for the game. I hope they revisit this at the end of the year.
The suspension of players due to the impact rather than the intention of their actions is problematic, not least because it amounts to punishing players for what the AFL/MRP feel is a 'bad look' for the game. I hope they revisit this at the end of the year.
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Personally I think tackling is now going the same way as the bump. While a player's intention can be okay, one which is not to hurt and/or hit them high/concuss once either happens the bumper/tackler is in trouble. I expect Grundy will get offered a 1 week suspension and in fairness to Dangerfield and Geelong he should. Geelong weren't prepared to gamble an extra week added to the suspension, but with us out of the finals race and the club conceding as much (if ruling Pendlebury out for the year is any indication) I hope we do challenge the penalty offered to Grundy as there's enough grey in the wording to mount an argument. From what I've heard around this the first test to any suspension is that the player's action needs to be unreasonable and I don't think either Grundy's or Dangerfield's actions were.
Won't be revisited - the 'tackle with intent' is a dead duck.
May as well play tiddly winks.
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One thing the AFL will never raise is the quality of Etihad's surface - known to be harder than other grounds. Down to original design and construction - I understand stadiums like Etihad should have a rubber layer between bottom of the soil and the concrete base - was left out as a cost saver by original owners - (Fitzpatrick's Hastings Funds Management - Carlton misery bag). At the MCG there's soil and if you keep digging you get to China - at Etihad you stop at concrete. Also, but less to do directly with Grundy/Brown incident, is the quality of the surface - sand and tufts of grass flying up all night
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Unfortunately I think he is. I'm absolutely comfortable with the tackle, but with Danger and McCarthy missing weeks in the last month for tackles that caused concussions, Grundy would be very lucky not to get one at least.
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Shouldn't be any at all.
But he will get 2 down to 1 with an early plea
Dangerfield got a week for a near identical incident so they sort of have to really unfortunately.
But he will get 2 down to 1 with an early plea
Dangerfield got a week for a near identical incident so they sort of have to really unfortunately.
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That's exactly what Grundy did though. Brown stood up in the tackle and the only reason he fell is because he lifted his foot off the ground to try and kick it so he wouldn't get pinged. Watch it again.
Won't happen he's too busy spouting the company line *rollseyes.gif
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Should Grundy get a week, NO!
Will Grundy get a week, 50/50. Mumford is a better precedent who is at the oppisite end of the spectrum to Grundy, A known dirty player who by his own words likes to hurt the opposition. He had no case to answer on his tackle on Libba.
I'm not sure how they grade that. Also as has been pointed out many times difference between Grundy and Danger tackle is that in Grundy's instance the player had the ball.
It is always malicious when you tackle someone without the ball, as the only real intent is to hurt the player.
Will Grundy get a week, 50/50. Mumford is a better precedent who is at the oppisite end of the spectrum to Grundy, A known dirty player who by his own words likes to hurt the opposition. He had no case to answer on his tackle on Libba.
I'm not sure how they grade that. Also as has been pointed out many times difference between Grundy and Danger tackle is that in Grundy's instance the player had the ball.
It is always malicious when you tackle someone without the ball, as the only real intent is to hurt the player.
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Well that bird faced little prat Mark Stevens said he will get 1 or 2 weeks and he has never been wrong about anything....
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So would I. I hope the club challenges any punishment.
He did absolutely nothing wrong. He just tackled an opponent and unfortunately Brown was hurt as he fell to the ground. I feel for Brown. Terrific player and we all hate seeing players hurt like that.
But what Brodie did was within both the laws and the spirit of the game. They injury was accidental and Brodie has nothing to answer for.
Should Brodie have stood and watched Brown run off with the ball? Should he have carefully slipped his arms under Brown's so as not to pin them to his body? These are the sorts of questions that should be answered before the AFL get busy with continuing to set such unreasonable precedents.
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Has any player been suspended after being awarded a free kick for a tackle that resulted in injury?
Grundy should absolutely not get suspended for that tackle. Brown got hurt, and that sucks, but it was purely accidental.
Unfortunately, Grundy will probably get a week, which is just ridiculous.
Unfortunately, Grundy will probably get a week, which is just ridiculous.
He shouldn't get a week.
Here's why.
Mark Stevens compared it to Cam McCarthy's tackle.
The ball spilled free and McCarthy put him into the ground.
Dangerfield. Again, ball spilled free and player was put into the ground.
Grundy.
Brown had the ball throughout the tackle. Brown contributed to the contact, with the ground, by trying to break the tackle.
At very most based on Dangerfield he gets a week.
But on these differences, Black and White glasses off, I think he should get off.
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Here's why.
Mark Stevens compared it to Cam McCarthy's tackle.
The ball spilled free and McCarthy put him into the ground.
Dangerfield. Again, ball spilled free and player was put into the ground.
Grundy.
Brown had the ball throughout the tackle. Brown contributed to the contact, with the ground, by trying to break the tackle.
At very most based on Dangerfield he gets a week.
But on these differences, Black and White glasses off, I think he should get off.
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exactly. Unreasonable
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I know what you mean.
My gripe is that the head may be sacrosanct but Brodie didn't hit his head or even act in a manner that was outside the rules and would lead to a head injury.
It's not too long a bow to draw to say that he is no more to blame for Brown's injury than Howe would be if he flew for a mark and his knee collected a defender's head in the pack. Purely incidental as a result of a legal (and encouraged) act.
As long as players have heads, their heads will get hit. We have to act to prevent intent, not incidental injury
I noticed that too. Grundy was literally perfect in what he did and when he did it.
