Brodie Grundy's tackle- what's the verdict?

[loki04]

Its a massive issue for the game.

Either tackles that bring a player to ground (regardless of injury or anything) become illegal or we carry on like this for the next 10 years.

So lets get the tags out shall we?

What about the high marks where a player cops a knee to the back of the head (a much worse hit)?
You know its only a matter of time before they turn their attention to it.
Or is the head is sacrosanct crowd allowed to pick and choose what rules it changes and what areas of the game to ruin like the bump and tackle?

Where does it stop?

 

[Bad Horse]

One week he will get

I hope you arent on the MRP master Yoda.

 

[loki04]

Seems pretty obvious what they want to stamp out and how to avoid it. I'm not quoting anything just using common sense

And then Brown stands up through it or frees his arms and disposes as grundy loses his base going to ground. Its pathetic the game has come to this.

 

[Timmy from Thomastown]

So lets get the tags out shall we?

What about the high marks where a player cops a knee to the back of the head (a much worse hit)?
You know its only a matter of time before they turn their attention to it.
Or is the head is sacrosanct crowd allowed to pick and choose what rules it changes and what areas of the game to ruin like the bump and tackle?

Where does it stop?

The head is sacrosanct but the speccy is sacrosancter.

 

[ferball]

Grundy was trying to turn Brown so that his head would not hit the ground. He failed to do that because Brown fought the tackle and was too strong to turn.

IE - he couldn't tackle him so he jumped into his back and slung him to the ground.

Should have been free to Brown - someone takes his kick and then end of story*.

But concussion and long term head injuries mean tackles like this will be penalised. Jarrad Waite had one early in the season and us north supporters were pissed off about it but at least the AFL has been consistent since. About that one thing.... Even that tackle JZ made on Treloar - Treloar hit the ground with his shoulder first and JZ looked like he was trying to protect Treloars's head in the tackle (imo we all see this game with one eye). Yet it was still deemed a dangerous tackle.

To be fair to Grundy i don't think he wanted to cause that injury to Brown. He seemed upset about it during and after the game.


*We're gonna disagree about this whatever the other person says. No one (north players included) gets penalised for excessively propelling players forward in a tackle these days yet its one of the main risk factors for dangerous head contact to the ground, especially if you pin both arms to stop a handball.

 

[peter9789]

I don't think he will get anything. Brown was in possession of the ball. Grundy tackled perfectly and unfortunately the outcome was he hit his head.

In this instance the injury was accidental. By comparison to Dangerfield, the ball was 5 metres away and Danger was still in the process of tackling.

Anyone drawing comparisons between the two are way off the mark.


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[loki04]

Won't be revisited - the 'tackle with intent' is a dead duck.
May as well play tiddly winks.

As i posted in the comcussion thread, fear mongering around CTE has created an image problem for the AFL.
The funny thing is they want to win the mums but risk losing the Dads.
Most boys follow their dads rather then mums sport of choice.

 

[Timmy from Thomastown]

For me

1. There was no sling
2. It was one action.
3. Brown was "resisting the tackle so Grundy had no opportunity to ease up on it.
4. Grundy had momentum

I think is significantly different to the Kreuzer sling tackle or even the Treloar one which wasnt reportable but was still called correctly as a free. Both of those were prolonged and the player concerned was crunched into the ground well after the ball had left the scene.

In summary he'll still get a week anyway!

 

[loki04]

IE - he couldn't tackle him so he jumped into his back and slung him to the ground.

Should have been free to Brown - someone takes his kick and then end of story*.

But concussion and long term head injuries mean tackles like this will be penalised. Jarrad Waite had one early in the season and us north supporters were pissed off about it but at least the AFL has been consistent since. About that one thing.... Even that tackle JZ made on Treloar - Treloar hit the ground with his shoulder first and JZ looked like he was trying to protect Treloars's head in the tackle (imo we all see this game with one eye). Yet it was still deemed a dangerous tackle.

To be fair to Grundy i don't think he wanted to cause that injury to Brown. He seemed upset about it during and after the game.


*We're gonna disagree about this whatever the other person says. No one (north players included) gets penalised for excessively propelling players forward in a tackle these days yet its one of the main risk factors for dangerous head contact to the ground, especially if you pin both arms to stop a handball.

No free to Brown ump made the correct call. Brown was unlucky as his body hit first then head collided with the turf.

The Zeibell one got done for dumping treloar on his head (upside down) with his arm pinned long after the ball was disposed.

 

[Saintly Viewed]

At the MCG there's soil and if you keep digging you get to China - at Etihad you stop at concrete. Also, but less to do directly with Grundy/Brown incident, is the quality of the surface - sand and tufts of grass flying up all night

Not to be technical, but....

Digging as you suggest from the MCG would actually get you to the North Atlantic Ocean area. Or Very wet.

This gave rise for England to call Australia and NZ the Antipodes as that word is translated to be furtherest opposite end of the earth to a place (and obviously that would mean through the centre of the earth in a straight passage or line.) NZ comes closest to reaching land with it being parts of Spain and Portugal.

(England reaches the Pacific Ocean but as Australia is in that are hence the moniker The Antipodes was born.)

 

[Timmy from Thomastown]

Not to be technical, but....

Digging as you suggest from the MCG would actually get you to the North Atlantic Ocean area. Or Very wet.

This gave rise for England to call Australia and NZ the Antipodes as that word is translated to be furtherest opposite end of the earth to a place (and obviously that would mean through the centre if the earth in a straight passage or line.) NZ comes closest to reaching land with it being parts of Spain and Portugal.

(England reaches the Pacific Ocean but as Australia is in that are hence the moniker The Antipodes was born.)

He didnt make any mention of digging in a straight line, to be fair.

 

[loki04]

For me

1. There was no sling
2. It was one action.
3. Brown was "resisting the tackle so Grundy had no opportunity to ease up on it.
4. Grundy had momentum

I think is significantly different to the Kreuzer sling tackle or even the Treloar one which wasnt reportable but was still called correctly as a free.

In summary he'll still get a week anyway!

Kreuzer one wasnt even a real sling tackle. Danger should never have been suspended for that it was only worthy of a free kick for holding the man as the ball spilled out early in the tackle. ( unbeknown to danger)

 

[CFC2010]

No free to Brown ump made the correct call. Brown was unlucky as his body hit first then head collided with the turf.

The Zeibell one got done for dumping treloar on his head (upside down) with his arm pinned long after the ball was disposed.

Grundy got the FREE!

Will someone think of the children.

 

[Saintly Viewed]

He didnt make any mention of digging in a straight line, to be fair.

Indeed not.

But I'm somewhat fascinated by some weird stuff. Loved the Jules Verne books, including Journey To the Centre Of the Earth.

 

[Saintly Viewed]

Grundy got the FREE!

Will someone think of the children.

If the tackle was against Goldstein, then the ex Mrs G would have said that.
Errr wait, I think she has said that.

 

[unplugged]

Brown could've kept his feet or dropped to his knees, but instead he tried to kick the ball and lost all balance and hope whilst in a completely vulnerable position.

He will get off. If he gets anything it'll be 1 week and I'd fully expect us to challenge it and get him off.

 

[partypie]

They were falling forward because Grundy pushed his weight into his back.

BTW Here's the tackle:

See the bit where he lifts brown and slings him to the side and then drives him into the ground?

You mean the point where Brown almost hyperextends his right knee and subsequently gives up his footing with a transfer of weight to his left?

That's not even taking into account that Brown's only thought the whole way down was trying to get a handball off (as all players are coached to do) with no thought of trying to protect himself or even stay upright - which he could have easily done given that Grundy was off his feet at that point.

One other gem in there that debunks the myth regarding it being a sling tackle - in order to sling someone you need a point of leverage so that you can generate sufficient drive through the hips, especially with someone weighing 100 kegs, but it is clear that Grundy was off his feet when the alleged deliberate "slinging" action began.

Let's not let the facts get in the way of outcome-driven hysteria though.

 

[PIEWITHSAUCE]

So lets get the tags out shall we?

What about the high marks where a player cops a knee to the back of the head (a much worse hit)?
You know its only a matter of time before they turn their attention to it.
Or is the head is sacrosanct crowd allowed to pick and choose what rules it changes and what areas of the game to ruin like the bump and tackle?

Where does it stop?

Exactly- that hit from Majak Daw last week (unintentional knee to the head) was a shocker but I don't see how it's hugely different if we're all about protecting the head and taking intent out of it.

I can't remember who kneed Darcy in the head a couple of weeks back but if it was one of his team mates should they be suspended? I know it's farcical but if intent is irrelevant and it's all about "duty of care" then why should it matter whether the concussed player is from your own team?

 

[Timmy from Thomastown]

Brown could've kept his feet or dropped to his knees, but instead he tried to kick the ball and lost all balance and hope whilst in a completely vulnerable position.

He will get off. If he gets anything it'll be 1 week and I'd fully expect us to challenge it and get him off.

This hasnt been mentioned enough. Brown being a competitor contributed towards putting himself in that position .

 

[loki04]

You mean the point where Brown almost hyperextends his right knee and subsequently gives up his footing with a transfer of weight to his left That's not even taking into account that Brown's only thought the whole way down was trying to get a handball off (as all players are coached to do) with no thought of trying to protect himself or even stay upright (which he could have easily done given that Grundy was off his feet at that point.

One other gem in there that debunks your myth regarding it being a sling tackle - in order to sling someone you need a point of leverage so that you gan generate sufficient drive through the hips, especially with someone weighing 100 kegs, but it is clear that Grundy was off his feet when the alleged deliberate "slinging" action began.

Let's not let the facts get in the way of outcome-driven hysteria though.

You clearly see grundy tackle him from hehind but also side on trying to turn brown sideways.But Brown who is running forwards and trying resist and consequently loses his footing ends up falling flat.

 

[Timmy from Thomastown]

Kreuzer one wasnt even a real sling tackle. Danger should never have been suspended for that it was only worthy of a free kick for holding the man as the ball spilled out early in the tackle. ( unbeknown to danger)

ARguable as in my opinion he held on a long time after the ball spilled out and swung him around before beaching him.

Regardless its nothing like the Grundy öne action tackle where Brown was trying to hold his ground to get a handball out

 

[Pie eyed]

Perfect tackle, no sling...accidents happen.
If he gets a week might as well ban tacking altogether.

 

[partypie]

The Zeibell one got done for dumping treloar on his head (upside down) with his arm pinned in a separate action after both players had stepped outside the field of play and long after the ball had gone out of bounds.

FTFY

Ziebell was lucky that treloar didn't hit his head harder but it despite that it still wasn't worthy of a report, just a free kick for holding the man after the ball was released.

 

[loki04]

Exactly- that hit from Majak Daw last week (unintentional knee to the head) was a shocker but I don't see how it's hugely different if we're all about protecting the head and taking intent out of it.

I can't remember who kneed Darcy in the head a couple of weeks back but if it was one of his team mates should they be suspended? I know it's farcical but if intent is irrelevant and it's all about "duty of care" then why should it matter whether the concussed player is from your own team?

Yep remember Hird vs freo diving into a knee and Shaun Hearts horrific facial injurys from a team mate? Or John Browns? Worse then anything these 2 tackles have done ( Danger and Grundy). AFL needs to accept its a physical contact game and some times shit happens.

Intent has to be the sole determiner not the outcome of incidents.

 

[loki04]

ARguable as in my opinion he held on a long time after the ball spilled out and swung him around before beaching him.

Regardless its nothing like the Grundy öne action tackle where Brown was trying to hold his ground to get a handball out

He was un aware the ball spilled as his head was pinned to Kreuzeers back he turns him trying to bring the much larger guy to ground using his weight against him.

It is a good tackle if kreuzer held onto the ball. The fact he didnt was why a free was paid for holding the man. Which is all it deserves.