Buddy's developing place on the All-Time Ladder

[Ron The Bear]

Most goals by the age of 25y243d:

Rank|Player|Club|Goals
\1|Lockett, Tony|St|657
\2|Lloyd, Matthew|Es|599
\3|Hudson, Peter|Ha|598
\4|Pratt, Bob|Sy|575
\5|McKenna, Peter|Co|546
\6|Coleman, John|Es|537
\7|Franklin, Lance|Ha|520
\8|Longmire, John|NM|494
\9|Dunstall, Jason|Ha|490
\10|Rocca, Saverio|Co|487
\11|Templeton, Kelvin|WB|486
\12|Matthews, Leigh|Ha|448
\13|Sumich, Peter|WC|401

 

[beta_condition]

Dear Cursed_twat...

I am referring to posts #643 and #646... either keep up or f*** off.

Take a deep Breathe and chill

Lloyd placement of that list is some what surprising.

 

[RedmanWasHere]

Most goals by the age of 25y243d:

Rank|Player|Club|Goals
\1|Lockett, Tony|St|657
\2|Lloyd, Matthew|Es|599
\3|Hudson, Peter|Ha|598
\4|Pratt, Bob|Sy|575
\5|McKenna, Peter|Co|546
\6|Coleman, John|Es|537
\7|Franklin, Lance|Ha|520
\8|Longmire, John|NM|494
\9|Dunstall, Jason|Ha|490
\10|Rocca, Saverio|Co|487
\11|Templeton, Kelvin|WB|486
\12|Matthews, Leigh|Ha|448
\13|Sumich, Peter|WC|401

Looking at this chart Buddy has the potential to overtake The Chief.

Surprising to see Coventry omitted.

Just keep on plucking gems like these Ron.

 

[rick_422]

I haven't read the whole thread, so apologies if this has been covered already, but when Bud passes O'Loughlin will this make him the greatest Indigenous goal kicker of all time?

 

[Ron The Bear]

I haven't read the whole thread, so apologies if this has been covered already, but when Bud passes O'Loughlin will this make him the greatest Indigenous goal kicker of all time?

Rank|Player|Goals|Club(s)|Career
\1|O'Loughlin, Michael|521|Sy|1995-2009
\2|Franklin, Lance|520|Ha|2005-2012
\3|Farmer, Jeff|483|Me,Fr|1995-2008
\=4|Goodes, Adam|389|Sy|1999-2012
\=4|Matera, Phillip|389|WC|1996-2005
\6|Winmar, Nicky|317|St,WB|1987-1999
\7|McLeod, Andrew|275|Ad|1995-2010
\8|Davis, Leon|270|Co|2000-2011
\9|Betts, Eddie|263|Ca|2005-2012
\10|Burns, Ronnie|262|Ge,Ad|1996-2004
\11|Lewis, Chris|259|WC|1987-2000
\12|Williams, Mark|247|Ha,Es|2002-2010
\13|Krakouer, Jim|236|NM,St|1982-1991
\14|Krakouer, Phil|231|NM,WB|1982-1991
\15|Matera, Peter|217|WC|1990-2002
\16|Cockatoo-Collins, Che|215|Es,PA|1994-2003
\17|Motlop, Daniel|208|NM,PA|2001-2011
\18|Burgoyne, Shaun|205|PA,Ha|2002-2012
\19|Wanganeen, Gavin|202|Es,PA|1991-2006
\...||||
\21|Stokes, Mathew|180|Ge|2006-2012
\=29|Davey, Aaron|159|Me|2004-2012
\=31|Thomas, Lindsay|151|NM|2007-2012
\33|McGrath, Ashley|146|Br|2001-2012
\35|Krakouer, Andrew J.|142|Ri,Co|2001-2012
\36|Rioli, Cyril|140|Ha|2008-2012
\39|Garlett, Jeff|128|Ca|2009-2012
\40|Johncock, Graham|118|Ad|2002-2012
\41|Wells, Daniel|116|NM|2003-2012
\42|Varcoe, Travis|113|Ge|2007-2012
\43|Hill, Josh|111|WB,WC|2007-2012
\44|Walker, Andrew|109|Ca|2004-2012
\46|Davey, Alwyn|101|Es|2007-2012

 

[eldorado]

He must be leading, or close to, the Career Behinds Kicked tally...

 

[Adelaide Hawk]

Most goals by the age of 25y243d:

Rank|Player|Club|Goals
\1|Lockett, Tony|St|657
\2|Lloyd, Matthew|Es|599
\3|Hudson, Peter|Ha|598
\4|Pratt, Bob|Sy|575
\5|McKenna, Peter|Co|546
\6|Coleman, John|Es|537
\7|Franklin, Lance|Ha|520
\8|Longmire, John|NM|494
\9|Dunstall, Jason|Ha|490
\10|Rocca, Saverio|Co|487
\11|Templeton, Kelvin|WB|486
\12|Matthews, Leigh|Ha|448
\13|Sumich, Peter|WC|401

I realise this thread is about Buddy, but this list demonstrates how remarkable Leigh Matthews was considering most of his footy up to the age of 25 was played as a rover.

 

[Adelaide Hawk]

Looking at this chart Buddy has the potential to overtake The Chief.

Doubtful, because after this point Dunstall kicked 100+ goals in a season 4 times, including one season where he booted 145. As good as Buddy is, I can't see him doing that.

 

[Ron The Bear]

He must be leading, or close to, the Career Behinds Kicked tally...

Not sure what context you're referring to.

Aboriginal:
385 Franklin, Lance
286 O'Loughlin, Michael
285 Farmer, Jeff
262 Winmar, Nicky
250 Goodes, Adam
227 Matera, Phillip
205 Lewis, Chris
196 McLeod, Andrew
188 Davis, Leon
174 Burns, Ronnie

Current players:
385 Franklin, Lance
349 Riewoldt, Nick
337 Pavlich, Matthew
304 Milne, Stephen
303 Brown, Jonathan
266 Harvey, Brent
263 Johnson, Steve
250 Goodes, Adam
240 Ablett junior, Gary
240 Cloke, Travis

All-time (tallies aren't known prior to the late 1960's; even some of these would be partly reliant on e.g. spectators recording behinds in the Record):
780 Bartlett, Kevin
722 Matthews, Leigh
701 Wade, Doug
689 Ablett senior, Gary
642 Dunstall, Jason
609 Quinlan, Bernie
590 Lockett, Tony
551 Richardson, Matthew
459 McKenna, Peter
457 Carey, Wayne
453 Bartlett, Kevin
470 Kernahan, Stephen
442 Matthews, Leigh
424 Lloyd, Matthew
421 Hall, Barry
411 Rocca, Saverio
410 Loewe, Stewart
406 Osborne, Richard
403 Fevola, Brendan
399 Wilson, Garry
393 Walls, Robert
385 Franklin, Lance

 

[eldorado]

I reckon by the end of his career, he'll be a fair way off top for goals, but only second to Bartlett in behinds...

 

[HR Roughnstuf]

I would love to know where Buddy sits for the most goals kicked in finals but have no idea where to find this stat.

I would think that Buddy has kicked the most goals in finals out of all current day players, would be interested if anyone has/can find the stats.

 

[HR Roughnstuf]

Most Finals Goals

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Goals Current Player
44 Lance Franklin
41 Nick Riewoldt
32 Travis Cloke
32 Jonathan Brown
31 Steve Johnson
30 Paul Chapman
25 Adam Goodes
25 Stephen Milne
24 Matthew Pavlich

 

[HR Roughnstuf]

damn it, looks like cr@p, will fix it later

 

[Hodge is God]

Come on Buddy, 100 goals next year.

Think he can do it.

 

[Hawkinspired]

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Come on Buddy, 100 goals next year.

Think he can do it.

Had he not missed 6 games and a couple of substitutions he may well have notched the ton this year.

 

[TBoyleSuperstar]

Love to see Bud kick the ton again. He has the capabilities to do, if we play like we did this year he'll get the opportunities, just need to not get injured/reported.......and kick straight. His record stands up against the best though looking at the stats above.

 

[mess]

1 to 6 were pretty much 'pure' full forwards, interesting stats all the same.

All of them were in fact, except 7 and 12.

 

[Linda Crescent]

VFL/AFL Ranking
Rank>Total Goals>Total Games>Name>Club/s
01. 1360, 281 Tony Lockett (St.K, SYD)
02. 1299, 306 Gordon Coventry (COLL)
03. 1254, 269 Jason Dunstall (HAW)
04. 1057, 267 Doug Wade (GEEL, Nth.M)
05. 1030, 248 Gary Ablett (HAW, GEEL)
06. 970, 294 Jack Titus (RICH)
07. 926, 270 Matthew Lloyd (ESS)
08. 915, 332 Leigh Matthews (HAW)
09. 874, 191 Peter McKenna (COLL, CARL)
10. 817, 306 Bernie Quinlan (FOOT, FITZ)
11. 800, 282 Matthew Richardson (RICH)
12. 778, 403 Kevin Bartlett (RICH)
13. 748, 257 Saverio Rocca (COLL, Nth.M)
14. 746, 289 Barry Hall (St.K, SYD, WB)
15. 738, 251 Stephen Kernahan (CARL)
16. 735, 195 Bill Mohr (St.K)
17. 727, 129 Peter Hudson (HAW)
18. 727, 272 Wayne Carey (Nth.M, ADEL)
19. 722, 204 Harry Vallence (CARL)
20. 707, 230 Dick Lee (COLL)
21. 681, 158 Bob Pratt (Sth.M)
22. 662, 157 Jack Moriarty (ESS, FITZ)
23. 633, 306 Alastair Lynch (FITZ, B.B, B.L)
24. 631, 306 David Neitz (MELB)
25. 629, 224 Michael Moncrieff (HAW)
26. 623, 204 Brendan Fevola (CARL, B.L)
27. 607, 200 Michael Roach (RICH)
28. 594, 321 Stewart Loewe (St.K)
29. 593, 177 Kelvin Templeton (FOOT, MELB)
30. 588, 165 Tony Modra (ADEL, FREM)
31. 575, 154 Simon Beasley (FOOT, W.B)
32. 575, 378 Simon Madden (ESS)
33. 574, 283 Richard Osborne (FITZ, SYD, W.B, COLL)
34. 572, 227 Norm Smith (MEL, FITZ)
35. 561, 324 Paul Salmon (ESS, HAW)
36. 558, 364 Brad Johnson (W.B)
37. 558, 279 Matthew Pavlich (FRE)
38. 554, 341 Chris Grant (W.B)
39. 549, 250 Peter Daicos (COLL)
40. 549, 255 Warren Tredrea (P.A)
41. 549, 260 Fraser Gehrig (W.C, St.K)
42. 548, 196 Dick Harris (RICH)
43. 546, 258 Stephen Milne (St.K)
44. 545, 230 Jonathan Brown (B.L)
45. 540, 142 Lindsay White (GEEL, Sth.M)
46. 537, 098 John Coleman (ESS)
47. 527, 140 Brian Taylor (RICH, COLL)
48. 524, 231 Daniel Bradshaw (B.B, B.L, SYD)
49. 521, 303 Michael O'Loughlin (SYD)
50. 520, 161 Lance Franklin (HAW)

Commenced 2012 ranked 65th (451goals). Up 15 places.
h/a games - 16/22; 214 kicks, 92 marks, 74 handballs, averaging 13.4 kicks, 5.8 marks, 4.6 handballs, 10 clearances, 65 inside 50m, one rebound 50m, 58 tackles.
h/a scoring - 5.3, 2.4, 3.2, 1.7, 0.3, 5.6, 3.6, 1.2, 1.3, 13.4, 4.4, 5.1, 0.0, 4.2, 4.1, 0.0, 0.0, 0.0, 0.0, 0.0, 0.0, 4.3, 4.1.

2012: games 16, average 3.7, total 59.52 (+10.12 in 3 finals, total 69.64)
2011: games 19, average 3.7, total 71.54 (+11.7 in 3 finals, total 82.61)
2010: games 17, average 3.6, total 62.42 (+2.0 in 1 final, total 64.42)
2009: games 21, average 3.1, total 67.46
2008: games 22, average 4.6, total 102.84 (+11.04 in 3 finals, total 113.88)
2007: games 20, average 3.1, total 63.57 (+10.05 in 2 finals, total 73.62)
2006: games 14, average 2.2, total 31.09
2005: games 20, average 1.7, total 21.13

2012: All Australian CHF
2011: AFL Coleman Medal. All Australian FF.
2010: All Australian CHF, AFL Goal of the Year.
2008: AFL Premiership, HFC Crimmins Medal, AFL Coleman Medal, All Australian FF.
2007-2012 HFC Leading Goal Scorer.

Age: 26 (January 28), recruited from Perth FC (pick 5, 2004 National Draft).
Most goals in a game: 13 versus North Melbourne, Rd 10, in 2012.

51. 520, 238 Nick Riewoldt (St.K)
52. 514, 150 Peter Sumich (W.C)
53. 511, 200 John Longmire (Nth.M)
54. 496, 290 Bill Hutchison (ESS)
55. 483, 249 Jeff Farmer (MEL, FREM)
56. 479, 245 Paul Hudson (HAW, W.B, RICH)
57. 475, 153 Jock Spencer (Nth.M)
58. 475, 187 Keith Forbes (ESS, Nth.M, FITZ)
59. 475, 213 John Peck (HAW)
60. 471, 270 Scott Lucas (ESS)
61. 469, 313 Terry Daniher (Sth.M, ESS)
62. 464, 211 Dermott Brereton (HAW, SYD, COLL)
63. 461, 121 Sel Murray (Nth.M, RICH)
64. 459, 183 Albert Pannam (COLL, RICH)
65. 452, 268 Garry Wilson (FITZ)
66. 444, 178 Malcolm Blight (Nth.M)
67. 444, 259 Robert Walls (CARL, FITZ)
68. 444, 279 Alex Jesaulenko (CARL, St.K)
69. 443, 312 Jack Dyer (RICH)
70. 442, 174 Jimmy Freake (FITZ)
71. 442, 222 Alan Ruthven (FITZ)
72. 442, 320 Dick Reynolds (ESS)
73. 441, 198 Bill Brownless (GEEL)
74. 434, 192 Alan Noonan (ESS, RICH)
75. 433, 313 Roger Merrett (ESS, B.B)
76. 428, 228 Russell Robertson (MEL)
77. 426, 226 Garry Lyon (MEL)
78. 423, 250 Lou Richards (COLL)
79. 421, 325 Jason Akermanis (B.B, B.L, W.B)
80. 415, 242 Anthony Rocca (SYD, COLL)
81. 412, 237 Bob Skilton (Sth.M)
82. 411, 104 Fred Fanning (MEL)
83. 410, 346 Brent Harvey (Nth.M)
84. 400, 153 Cliff Rankin (GEEL)
85. 397, 229 Tony Morwood (SYD)
86. 396, 147 Horrie Clover (CARL)
87. 395, 210 Mick Conlan (FITZ)
88. 389, 174 Lloyd Hagger (GEEL)
89. 389, 179 Phillip Matera (W.C)
90. 389, 170 Alec Albiston (HAW, Nth.M)
91. 389, 319 Adam Goodes (SYD)
92. 388, 124 Warwick Capper (SYD, B.B)
93. 386, 230 Darren Jarman (HAW, ADEL)
94. 385, 136 Ted Johnson (Sth.M)
95. 385, 154 Jack Collins (FOOT)
96. 383, 291 Peter Everitt (St.K, HAW, SYD)
97. 382, 196 Steve Johnson (GEEL)
98. 378, 216 Jack Mueller (MEL)
99. 374, 246 John Murphy (FITZ, SYD, Nth.M)
100. 372, 124 Ted Freyer (ESS)

Hawthorn FC Ranking
Rank>Total Goals>Total Games>Name
1. 1254, 269 Jason Dunstall
2. 915, 332 Leigh Matthews
3. 727, 129 Peter Hudson
4. 629, 224 Michael Moncrieff
5. 520, 161 Lance Franklin
6. 475, 213 John Peck
7. 427, 189 Dermott Brereton
8. 383, 170 Alec Albiston
9. 320, 426 Michael Tuck
10. 294, 159 Jarryd Roughead

Note: others who played in 2012

 

[WWSD]

Welcome back Linda Crescent

 

[Collins-Langford-Ayres]

Love this thread, even in the off-season.

Can't see Buddy catching Dunstall, but would love him to pass Sniper Lloyd.

 

[MinerBoy]

Be nice if he passed Moncrieff this season.

 

[Hawthorn23]

Be nice if he passed Moncrieff this season.

Hard, but possible

 

[play2win]

Hawthorn FC Ranking
Rank>Total Goals>Total Games>Name
1. 1254, 269 Jason Dunstall
2. 915, 332 Leigh Matthews
3. 727, 129 Peter Hudson
4. 629, 224 Michael Moncrieff
5. 520, 161 Lance Franklin
6. 475, 213 John Peck
7. 427, 189 Dermott Brereton
8. 383, 170 Alec Albiston
9. 320, 426 Michael Tuck
10. 294, 159 Jarryd Roughead

Note: others who played in 2012

Interesting. What unfolds for Buddy beyond this year will determine whether he is held in the upper echelon of players for the HFC (Hudson, Matthews, Dunstall), or not.

 

[Hawkas1988]

Interesting. What unfolds for Buddy beyond this year will determine whether he is held in the upper echelon of players for the HFC (Hudson, Matthews, Dunstall), or not.

True, this is a great thread and one of the many little reasons why I want him to sign so so badly on top of all the major reasons why we need him to stay.

 

[Linda Crescent]

Another way of looking at it ....

Hawthorn FC Ranking
Rank>Total Games>Total Goals>Name

1. 129, 727, Peter Hudson
2. 159, 294, Jarryd Roughead
3. 161, 520, Lance Franklin
4. 170, 383, Alec Albiston
5. 189, 427, Dermott Brereton
6. 213, 475, John Peck
7. 224, 629, Michael Moncrieff
8. 269, 1254, Jason Dunstall
9. 332, 915, Leigh Matthews
10. 426, 320, Michael Tuck