pick 9 + brown or get ****ed hawthorn. Trade SB to another club, and stick it up them ****heads
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Burgoyne nominates Hawthorn? (part II)
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I don't think that the first statement is correct, I am certain that clubs are allowed to contact contracted players without the other club's consent.
Yes, Hawthorn would be prepared to trade Brown, or any other player for that matter, if the price was right.
RussellEbertHandball
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Makes me think of a bizzare trade - 9 + Gilham.
There are pictures on TPFP where Gilham rocked up to watch our trial match against North Melbourne (?) at Princess Park in March. He was smiling and talking to Choco, other players and officials. That suggests he still is close to the club in an emotional sense. He would have a lot less hesitation moving to Port than any other Hawks top 22 player.
Not as bad as the Peter Bell story - initial Freo squad pick, delisted after first season, recruited back in 2000 for pick 6 + 37 + Jess Sinclair.
We took Gilham with pick 16 in 2002 and delisted him after one game at the end of 2005, picked up a couple months later in the rookie draft by the Hawks and is a premiership player. Still young at 25 and can play on talls and smalls.
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Jamar has just sign contract extension with Melbourne so he is off the trade market
Jamar has just sign contract extension with Melbourne so he is off the trade market
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I'm not sure that all the anger towards the trading team is justified.
What are supposed to do in a trade for a player who walks out, is not contrated and specifies a team. They have gone for what is in our best interests and it gets knocked back - so do you want them to just accept being bent over with pick 9 and a so-so player, even with the risk that the so-so also doesn't want to shift.
This is so obvious a tactic by them to waste time force us to accept a lesser offer - I am now of the view that we get the best non Hawks deal or send him to the ND for nothing - as long as the Hawks and Shaun do not get what they want.
What are supposed to do in a trade for a player who walks out, is not contrated and specifies a team. They have gone for what is in our best interests and it gets knocked back - so do you want them to just accept being bent over with pick 9 and a so-so player, even with the risk that the so-so also doesn't want to shift.
This is so obvious a tactic by them to waste time force us to accept a lesser offer - I am now of the view that we get the best non Hawks deal or send him to the ND for nothing - as long as the Hawks and Shaun do not get what they want.
Re: Burgoyne nominates Hawthorn
Schulz on the other hand looks likely to be here next year.
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I know it is not the best deal but why not take pick 9 for SB? It is better than nothing from the PSD.
Uh, because Hawthorn have offered better than that?
Supporters would not like that one bit. If you took Pick 9 from Hawthorn without a player that is far far better than getting nothing!!! You only hurt your own team. Your team has a problem (whatever that may be) in attracting players. Be realistic..would you rather play for Hawthorn or be traded to Power if you were established in Melbourne??? Crows and Power will always face this problem.
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Could you explain to me how "offering" a player who does not want to go the Port, actually helps Hawthorn in negotiations?
It may be part of some Machiavellian scheme on Pelchen's behalf, but why would he bother? If he wanted to wast Port's time he could just offer pick 69 until 10 minutes from the end of trade period.
Maybe players do not want to go to Port, it mightn't be a club thing it could just be financial limitations even South Australia itself. To be honest, I wouldn't transfer my job to Adelaide unless there was a significant financial incentive to do so.
I reckon if it is some part of a plan be Hawthorn, then getting Burgoyne in the ND is their objective. So sending him to the draft is a bit like the Brer rabbit story.
Personally, I would prefer to get pick 9 than nothing. I don't agree with the parallels that have been drawn to the Stevens situation. With very few exceptions, we were being offered absolute spuds for Stevens. Whomever we get with pick 9 will not necessarily be a spud. Thus, I think that it is better than nothing.
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I'd prefer to see Shaun at Melbourne for free through the PSD rather than take pick 9. There's no way I want Hawthorn strengthening their team with a player of his ilk whilst in premiership mode. Let him play out his career in obscurity with the Demons.
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You are right, I think some people are jsut so frustrated with this department they lose judgement, but Port has little it can do.
I am of the opinion, just trade hard from now on but Hawthorn is making it difficult, they probably put Brown up on purpose knowing it would stall the process further, at least Carlton and West Coast for Judd has something sorted quickly and professionally.
As for Jamar, praise the lord let's just back Lobbe in I say or try and get Mumford.
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it also send a message to the other sides they we are weak and will cave to their games.
RussellEbertHandball
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Because it is wasting our time and we can't negotiate seriously with other clubs if we are trying to convince reluctant Hawthorn players to the trade as well as not get on with doing other deals. It's a game of bluff with the hope that time runs out and a lesser deal is acceppted by Port.
RussellEbertHandball
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Offer Burgoyne to Carlton for Fev and put the wind up Burgoyne, Ben Williams and everyone else.
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Brown + 9 was our most REALISTIC best case scenario. The fact that the Hawks actually considered it and we talked to Brown means that we are around the ballpark.
Hopefully our trading staff have a bit more common sense then to hope for a best case scenario with Brown - I'm sure they had an idea that he would probably say no.
I reckon we'll end up with 9 + a low (20's) second round draft pick, giving us two top ten picks and two picks in the 20's.
That I would be happy with.
Hopefully our trading staff have a bit more common sense then to hope for a best case scenario with Brown - I'm sure they had an idea that he would probably say no.
I reckon we'll end up with 9 + a low (20's) second round draft pick, giving us two top ten picks and two picks in the 20's.
That I would be happy with.
Is it absolutely out of the question for Burgoyne and Port to mend some bridges and stay? I don't think Burgoyne would really want to be at melbourne, and if it came down to the PSD or Port, could you keep him? The reasons for leaving seem pretty vague and nebulous.
Why would HFC risk alienating their supporter base to waste time, when there are far easier ways of doing it that wouldn't offend players and supporters. i.e offer really crappy deals, not return calls, pretend that we are using pick 9 on Jolly etc.
Imho, Brown was "on the table" but he just didn't want to go to Port, why is that harder to believe than some grand Machiavellian scheme by Pelchen?
Imho, Brown was "on the table" but he just didn't want to go to Port, why is that harder to believe than some grand Machiavellian scheme by Pelchen?
I wish people would stop thinking about whether we would lose face out of these trades. We are trying to build the side into something that can get to and compete at the pointy end of the season. Losing Shaun for nothing does not achieve that. Pick 9 provides us with an opportunity.
To be clear, I am not saying that we should accept anything offered right now. All I am saying is that I would prefer to get pick 9 rather than nothing at the end of the week.
As it stands, I don't think that we achieve much by trying to make a stand over this. I thought the opposite when Stevens requested a trade. However, we were in a position of strength as compared to our current situation. You deal with what you've got. You can't do more than that.
To be clear, I am not saying that we should accept anything offered right now. All I am saying is that I would prefer to get pick 9 rather than nothing at the end of the week.
As it stands, I don't think that we achieve much by trying to make a stand over this. I thought the opposite when Stevens requested a trade. However, we were in a position of strength as compared to our current situation. You deal with what you've got. You can't do more than that.
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What would happen if out of no where we picked him up with our last pick in the ND assuming he nominates, or would he be picked up in the first round?
