Mollythedolly
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Yep, considered all that, still mid table on available evidence for mine. May change over time but will never be “lightning quick” as some suggest.
Oppo Camp Caleb Poulter (Bulldogs MSD 2023)
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Yep, considered all that, still mid table on available evidence for mine. May change over time but will never be “lightning quick” as some suggest.
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Don't need to be Quick to be a Gun
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Having a well grounded, employed young person in your house, who also interacts with your kids like a big cousin... it's a win for the family and the young person... a home away from home...
Well at the very least not a plodder, so has useable 'pace', the key for all players is to be quick enough to gain a 'separation window' where they are clear long enough to dispose to advantage.
This is of course disregarding players such as Adams who, being in and unders should always dispose at the first clear opportunity.
Not sure many young couples would love a 20 year old guy living with them....
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I'm not that much older than 20 but my girlfriend and I would find it very difficult living with a single person let alone a 20 year old male!
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Nah not lightning quick. And depending on who lines up in the midfield - we're still looking very one-paced to me. We've added the one paced Lipinski to go with Sidey, Pendles, Josh Daicos, Tay Adams. JDG is obviously lightning if he lines up there. But none of our other likely starters are particularly close to quick.
Lightning quick is . . . . good???
Until your hammy goes TWANGGGGGGG.
The faster a footballer is the more likely he is to do a hammy - not so much from the speed but the sudden change of direction or deceleration.
Don't get me wrong - I remember screaming for Ronnie (Wearmouth) endless times but he was a straight line running machine.
Today's speed freaks have more to contend with.
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He remind me more of a young Seedsman than a young Phillips
And Caleb is tracking well compared to Seedsman at 20
And only slightly below Phillips at 20
Nothing to worry about... he’ll have a solid career in the black and white
And Caleb is tracking well compared to Seedsman at 20
Paul Seedsman and Caleb Poulter AFL Stats Comparison
Paul Seedsman and Caleb Poulter AFL Stats Comparison.
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And only slightly below Phillips at 20
Tom Phillips and Caleb Poulter AFL Stats Comparison
Tom Phillips and Caleb Poulter AFL Stats Comparison.
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Nothing to worry about... he’ll have a solid career in the black and white
Im not seeing Seedsman's kicking or his pace. But perhaps I have missed it. He can certainly have these traits and I have missed them. What I have seen is him running 15 km a game and getting 20-25 possessions at average pace and with im sorry average kicking skills. Still early though perhaps he has the speed and kicking penetration of Seedsman.
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Perhaps so...
But I think if Josh Daicos could, then Poulter can still develop some more explosiveness. Last year was only Poulters first preseason. How he runs this year will probably get us closer to the long term answer
As for the poor kicking i must be missing something. Looked more like decision making and late season fatigue to me... both of which can be worked on.
His kicking was overall at over 72%... About the same as young Macrae... which is solid for a kid playing midfield in his first season.
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IF Poulter an Average Kick then we have Plenty of Average Kicks on the List
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You're right! We do have plenty of average kicks on the list.
Thats the way I remember his 2021 season. However he could have been:
1. Kicking when fatigued
2. Just not use to the pace of AFL and rushing things
But I in no way claim players are static and cant improve, particularly first year players. I personally dont believe that he is a bad kick. He just doesnt have Seedsman's kicking penetration or speed for that matter. Seedsman has a long raking boot that can break lines just with his penetration.
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He looks to have a really nice technique, but last year he kicked a lot of high but not very far floaters - they were pretty bad kicks but would have counted as effective the way it is measured. I think he'll sort it out though.
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Poor kid didn't really have all that much to kick to.....
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This is spot on. The main issue with his kicking was when he had to kick over the mark, he ended up just kicking high kicks.
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Might been Coaches Direction and I rather kick it Long then Turn it over going Sideways and Backwards
Scodog10
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I’d argue 5m’s is because that’s an actual reflection of breakaway from a stoppage. In terms of speed testing clubs don’t care about 20m sprint times they focus on max speed. Poulter isn’t quick BTW just like the rest of our midfield which is very one paced.
Agreed on 5 v 20 mtrs - those first few steps are usually the difference between breaking clear cleanly or not.
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Different distances are relevant for different roles and situations. Defenders often sprint a fair distance to close down space. Forwards often sprint significantly longer than 5 metres to get in the clear ahead of the ball, or on a lead. I'd argue that the biggest benefits of pace or all running capacity aren't when you've got the footy - they're when you don't have it.
I won't argue with that though I thought we were discussing mids.
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Looks like Poulter is out of Iso, so I expect he'll be at training tomorrow.
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I'm glad you said this, because I was about to.
You don't only need speed for breaking from a stoppage. in fact, that is probably one of the smaller cases of speed use.
Things like:
- Leading for a kick (all over the ground and from all position players, not just forwards). Longer than 5 meters required.
- Defending someone leading for a kick (as above - something all players need to do). Longer than 5 meters required.
- Running to receive a handball and/or running in space (mostly outside mids and flankers). Longer than 5 meters required.
- Running to defend an opponent getting a handball.
- Running to tackle / chase an opponent
- Running to get into position for a crumb from a contest (most small players).
- Running to put pressure on a ball carrier / potential ball carrier
- Running to close down space when the opposition may be on a fast break.
All of the above are instances in a game where I would expect someone like an outside mid like Poulter to experience, and most could be 20+ metre sprints. And I would say that these would occur much more than a 5m stoppage break for 90% of players on the ground.
