Can The Saints Derail The Hawks???

[MinerBoy]

Please, Hodge and Bateman are classy defenders, .

Stop embarrassing yourself Falchoon. I would be surprised if Bateman even knew where the backline was. He is a classic wingman.

 

[Ugottabjokin]

Oh dear, I bolded your mistakes for you and everything.

If Johnny has 32 apples and Jenny has 29 apples, who has more apples?

Now if Lenny has 32 rebound 50m and Sammy has 29 rebound 50m, who has more rebound 50m? Just focus on the numbers, try not to let the color of their jumpers influence your answer.

So you can pick up one small error. Well done you deserve an award. Again pointing out one small mistake makes you beter why?

Now rather then point out errors how about you construct some argument why the Saints will win. Or is it easier to sit on the side and criticise others as your intellect doesn't allow you to make an argment.

The whole reason i was posting the numbers was to highlight to some deluded Saints supporter, Falchoon, that made the statement Sam Mitchell is not class and i was comparing what most normal people would consider the best Saints midfielder to what most normal people would consider Hawthorns best midfielder and then he made some bizarre statements about Mitchell butchering the ball, again at least i made an argument as to why he is wrong, again backed up with actual stats.

Your contribution so far is what??

 

[Digby_from_Dingley]

St Kilda will win becasue they will force the hawks to take all their shots from outside 50 and the hawks will become increasingly frustrated as the y continue to miss goals.

 

[Mappa]

Get Robert Harvey to the Grand Final is the only motivation the Saints need.

Okay, sorry, but I'm pretty much over the Harvey nostalgia thing now. Every year the homage we pay to players who are retiring is getting more and more sickening. They play football, they get payed handsomly for it, and they get plenty of kudos over the years. He is a footballer, and a darn fine one, but the guy hasn't cured a disease, or found the sure to world poverty.

Personally, i am glad that the fact that Crawf maybe in his last year has gone under the radar. It's allowed us to focus on the game, and not all this "do it for Crawf", or "Let's get Crawf into a Grand Final" BS. Even if the Saints do get over the Hawks this week, Harvey's Grand Final experience will be blown apart when Geelong would win by 15 goals.

 

[MinerBoy]

Re: St Kilda

We didn't have any form at all...and we didn't have a forward line either once we lost Robbo & Neita! Still only 13 points to the bottom side and trailing for 3 quarters. St Kilda was much more convincing!

I would have erased Round 1 from my memory too if I were a Demons supporter.

 

[eros]

Form can change really quickly, just admit that you're wrong.

You are right. Form can change very quickly. How else can we explain St Kilda's losses to West Coast and Collingwood (without Didak and Shaw) in the second half of the season? Their victory against Port Adelaide in between these two losses was a close run thing as well. Hawthorn lost to the Sainst in round 16, but was that loss any worse, or more shocking than the Saints loss to West Coast the week after? Died in the second half, if I recall. Must have mentally switched off, thinking they had the game won? (Bit like the Hawks the week before?)

In a era where teams don't play each other twice, where teams have training programs that ramp up and down at staggered intervals throughout the season, when some might not even play each other for the first time until round 22, when bottom placed teams start 'managing' their lists at around round 17-18 it can be very difficult to accurately read form lines.

Of course in-season form can be a useful indicator. But I don't think it is wrong to say that both teams are very different, mentally and physically, than the teams that played each other in round 16.

 

[markr]

Up the other end though, you would expect Croad (if he is fit) to be the only one capable of going with Roo. Hawthorn supporters will probably go on about how Brown is capable of running with him but in his current injury state, I hope this is the match up they go with.

Croad will play on Riewoldt, but won't be fast enough to stop him on the lead and will rely on Hodge for assistance there. Brown will play forward.

If Kosi is up and going, he will be too good for Gillham leaving Birchall, Goo and Murphy to run with Gwilt, Milne and Schneider.

I wouldn't be surprised to see Bob Campbell play in defence on Kosi.

Now I'll let the thread return to the pointless sniping and trolling.

 

[captain peanut]

The Saints have a good record against The Hawks in recent years with a comprehensive shellacking during this years H&A season. Although the game against the Pies wasn't exactly top notch footy maybe the Sainters can pull off an upset. The Saints seem to be coming into some good form. Kozi will be a big loss if he suspended this week but the big bodied Saints players might just have enough to match their more fancied rivals. Reiwoldt will need to fire again to counteract the Buddy Show. Should be an interesting match

Saints by 10 points


thoughts?

the saints are no chance v the hawks this week. it will be over at half time. but for ridiculously accurate kicking on sat night the saints would have struggled to get past a coll side that was clearly out of petrol tickets for 08 and played at just about its flattest level all year. the hawks are fresh and waiting, they will destroy st k

in fact the whole prelim weekend will be a non event as geel will do the same to the dogs and i wouldn't be surprised at margins approaching 10 goals by 1/2 time in each game. clearly the 2 best teams of 2008 are going to play off and it will be a fitting finale to the year

 

[MinerBoy]

the saints are no chance v the hawks this week. it will be over at half time. but for ridiculously accurate kicking on sat night the saints would have struggled to get past a coll side that was clearly out of petrol tickets for 08 and played at just about its flattest level all year. the hawks are fresh and waiting, they will destroy st k

I wouldn't say the Saints are no chance but generally agree with your summation of Coll v Saints, a very poor game all round. The Saints were far from impressive.

 

[Bombermania]

All this talk about St Kilda beating Hawthorn in round 16 reminds me of last season when in round 22 Port Adelaide defeated Geelong at Skilled stadium that win sure helped Port a month later.

 

[Falchoon]

"If we're any chance of beating the Hawks it's in the midfield, probably the one area where the Hawks have no real class,"

From this absolute treasure chest of a quote. Am i wrong in assuming that we are playing the Saints on Saturday night and Lenny Hayes would be considered your best midfielder? Can you see where i might have been leading with the correlation?

If not please explain which CLASSY midfielders from St.Kilda might be beating the Hawks as they have no class there.

I was highlighting that the All Australian Committee seem to deem Sam Mitchell "classy" enough for selection in the final 40 ( at this stage ) and the only St.Kilda midfielder nominated is Lenny Hayes, thus assuming he is the "classiest" midfielder at St.Kilda. Or would there be any other "classier" midfielders at St.Kilda?? Please again which ones??

Then there was this from you:

" Sam Mitchell sprays it worse than Neil Craig " and this

" if one more Hawks supporter puts Sam Mitchell and the word classy in the same sentence, I'd have to question their version of class, the guy butchers the ball more than anyone else in the competition."

Ummm i wonder why i put down the disposal efficiency ratings?? And you know what Dal Santo, Hayes and Ball all have a worse effecient disposal rate than Sam Mitchell. Have a look at the stats. Hence all the St.kilda midfielders are not class as they butcher the ball worse than Sam Mitchell.

I can make arbitary statements as well with absolute no evidence to back up my claims. St.Kilda's midfield is 3 times worse than Hawthorns. See how easy that was and the most amazing thing is it is said with no clarification of evidence whatsoever.

AGAIN Please tell me what CLASSY midfielders that St.Kilda have that may beat the Hawks?? Or is it GRUNT that will win it??

Sam Mitchell kicks any St.Kilda midfielders arse whether it be your dumb notion of class or grunt.


Another of your quotes in response to Mitchell and leading the clearances in the comp.

"and more clangers than anyone bar Fevola and Buddy, take frees against out and he leads the comp

That is not class."

Actually again get your facts right Mitchell actually leads the comp with 128 clangers and yep you guessed it Lenny Hayes is coming second with 126. However, as Mitchell gets a hell of a lot more of it than Hayes or any other St.Kilda midfielder his disposal efficiency works out better.
And the reason i didn't mention tackles is because your the one that started on about Mitchell and butchering the ball.

The mistake you're making is assuming that I believe we have classy midfielders. We don't, Geelong blows us away with class in the middle, Hawthorn will not.

My words were "if we're any chance of beating the Hawks" no guarantees no statements. Your forward line should beat our backline, ours should beat yours, if we're any chance of winning we can beat your midfield because they are not going to out class us. Sam Mitchell is a solid 3 meat & veg type player, no way does that infer Lenny Hayes is cordon bleu.

 

[Falchoon]

Stop embarrassing yourself Falchoon. I would be surprised if Bateman even knew where the backline was. He is a classic wingman.

A wingman in the Hawthorn set up is a back flanker at any other club
that and the fact he's always chasing Milne around.

 

[vinum coupe]

Can't win surely.

Both semi finals were played with the intensity of a home and away game.

That form is not enough.

But if the saints fluke it then the GF will be a bath

 

[That's deliberate]

Saints do have a chance of beating Hawthorn as much as the dishlickers have of beating the Cats.

Both the Saints and the Dogs willl be anihilated.

 

[N i B]

Can't win surely.

Both semi finals were played with the intensity of a home and away game.

That form is not enough.

But if the saints fluke it then the GF will be a bath

Finally, on the 8th page a post that makes some sense without all the baiting and bullshit trash talking.

The cats and Hawks week 1 performances were way above anything produced by the other 6 teams over both weeks. St Kilda will not be able to handle the genuine finals pressure that the Hawks will apply this week. They crumbled against the cats and will fail the same way against the hawks.

The one thing that really gets on m nerves is the fact that the media and fans embrace their side as a 1 man team (Riewoldt)

 

[kahuna71]

Finally, on the 8th page a post that makes some sense without all the baiting and bullshit trash talking.

The cats and Hawks week 1 performances were way above anything produced by the other 6 teams over both weeks. St Kilda will not be able to handle the genuine finals pressure that the Hawks will apply this week. They crumbled against the cats and will fail the same way against the hawks.

The one thing that really gets on m nerves is the fact that the media and fans embrace their side as a 1 man team (Riewoldt)

no buddy, no hawthorn. saints by 26 in a canter.

 

[Spook]

Keep buddy to less than 5 goals and Saints will beat them.

Buddy 4
Roughie 5
Brown 3
Ladson 3
Williams 3
Rioli 2

Well thats 20 goals. So if St Kilda have 40 inside 50 they will need at least half of them to be goals to win

 

[That's deliberate]

Reiwolt & Kosi will destroy the Hawks weak defence and kick 8 goals each....

The Hawks weak defence will need to step up next week though because Geelongs forward line is a different proposition.

 

[11sjw]

Buddy 4
Roughie 5
Brown 3
Ladson 3
Williams 3
Rioli 2

Well thats 20 goals. So if St Kilda have 40 inside 50 they will need at least half of them to be goals to win

Ladson's 3 will be kicked by Osborne won't they?

 

[kahuna71]

Buddy 4
Roughie 5
Brown 3
Ladson 3
Williams 3
Rioli 2

Well thats 20 goals. So if St Kilda have 40 inside 50 they will need at least half of them to be goals to win

is st kilda even on the field in this imaginary game you have going on in your head?

last time we met you kicked 13 goals. honestly.

 

[raff23]

If we're any chance of beating the Hawks it's in the midfield, probably the one area where the Hawks have no real class, they do have a deep rotation though which might trouble us towards the end of quarters, their 2 ruckmen are also 2 that can't really expose King either.

Are you mental? we easily have the 2nd best midfield in the comp with class players all over the place. King hasn't set the world on fire at all this year and will find it tough against campbell and probly taylor no question about that. The saints do not have enough class players to beat the hawks simple as that and if Reiwoldt is shut down you guys are stuffed. If buddy gets shut down we have several other good options who are more than capable of kicking a winning score, that is the difference between the 2 sides.

 

[kahuna71]

Are you mental? we easily have the 2nd best midfield in the comp with class players all over the place. King hasn't set the world on fire at all this year and will find it tough against campbell and probly taylor no question about that. The saints do not have enough class players to beat the hawks simple as that and if Reiwoldt is shut down you guys are stuffed. If buddy gets shut down we have several other good options who are more than capable of kicking a winning score, that is the difference between the 2 sides.

yet you couldn't beat us in round 16.

keep panting though, some much needed oxygen will flow.

 

[kosifantutti]

So you can pick up one small error. Well done you deserve an award. Again pointing out one small mistake makes you beter why?

Now rather then point out errors how about you construct some argument why the Saints will win. Or is it easier to sit on the side and criticise others as your intellect doesn't allow you to make an argment.

The whole reason i was posting the numbers was to highlight to some deluded Saints supporter, Falchoon, that made the statement Sam Mitchell is not class and i was comparing what most normal people would consider the best Saints midfielder to what most normal people would consider Hawthorns best midfielder and then he made some bizarre statements about Mitchell butchering the ball, again at least i made an argument as to why he is wrong, again backed up with actual stats.

Your contribution so far is what??

You are the same guy who told someone to "check their facts before making moronic statements" after he said we had beaten Hawthorn nearly every time in the last few years. Well it's been six out of seven in the last six years. Too bad we don't play you more often.

You want a positive contribution.

You can argue all you like that Mitchell is class or that Hawthorn is better than St.Kilda, but the game will be played on Saturday night and your "arguments" will not contribute anything to either side even if you do eventually say something that makes sense.

 

[PottSie2]

The way I see it is,

- If both teams play their best, there is no sure winner.
- If one team doesn't play their best, the other will win.

Will be a close game. My heart tells me that Hawthorn should win but my head and experiences over the last 17 years (since I last saw them in a GF) tells me nothing is a given.

I will now return to my fence.

 

[Falchoon]

Are you mental? we easily have the 2nd best midfield in the comp with class players all over the place. King hasn't set the world on fire at all this year and will find it tough against campbell and probly taylor no question about that. The saints do not have enough class players to beat the hawks simple as that and if Reiwoldt is shut down you guys are stuffed. If buddy gets shut down we have several other good options who are more than capable of kicking a winning score, that is the difference between the 2 sides.

Correct, your forward line is full of class