Can we talk about the captaincy?

[And_ROOS]

Honestly would Joel have been worse in the Dahlhaus role? He is as quick or quicker, a far more accurate kick, can kick a "captains goal" and knows how to tackle.

Cameron, Hawkins, Rohan, Selwood, Miers, Close would be a good forwardline mix of pressure and goal kicking.

 

[iameviljez]

Honestly would Joel have been worse in the Dahlhaus role? He is as quick or quicker, a far more accurate kick, can kick a "captains goal" and knows how to tackle.

Cameron, Hawkins, Rohan, Selwood, Miers, Close would be a good forwardline mix of pressure and goal kicking.

Slow, less agile, not great overhead, not a noted goal kicker.

Selwood’s one-wood is hard ball gets. He’s no Ablett.

 

[moond0g]

Perhaps Joel should move to a BP or FP in the mould of Atkins or Dahl. He is declining and we need to be able to give some younger players an opportunity in the midfield.

Also don't think the 2020 route of nursing him through the year with fewer games is the worst idea

 

[Romeoh1]

Due to those carries he is now unable to any longer and has limited ability to play elsewhere on the ground.

We all know just how great he is and I don't begrudge him going on, but I think the best for the team is either a very limited season and not captain ... or retiring.

Yes, agree with this.

 

[Strange Cat]

Joel cannot play anywhere else other than the midfield , two issues are that he continues to try and be the top two in the midfield where his body won’t allow it and secondly his speed and agility has dropped off considerably

he either retires, or he plays far less games and hopes that the kids take up the slack consistently to allow him the freedom to contribute rather than trying to carry the entire load

personally I think he needs to retire

 

[And_ROOS]

Slow, less agile, not great overhead, not a noted goal kicker.

Selwood’s one-wood is hard ball gets. He’s no Ablett.

Would still be an upgrade on Dahlhaus is my point. Sticks his tackles, is a more accurate kick, and wouldn't be slower.

 

[iameviljez]

Would still be an upgrade on Dahlhaus is my point. Sticks his tackles, is a more accurate kick, and wouldn't be slower.

Dalhaus won’t play fwd pocket at Geelong again. I doubt he will play at AFL level again.

 

[standupand]

Honestly would Joel have been worse in the Dahlhaus role? He is as quick or quicker, a far more accurate kick, can kick a "captains goal" and knows how to tackle.

Cameron, Hawkins, Rohan, Selwood, Miers, Close would be a good forwardline mix of pressure and goal kicking.

Don't know he's really suited to that role tbh. Potentially even more physically demanding than midfield. And Joel is not the quickest. Definitely a good kick for goal within 40m. But you need someone who can give you relentless pressure in that role. Suits young zippy types.

 

[Jimmy Yamazaki]

Cotchin is stepping down as Tigers captain, I wonder if Joel would do the same and just focus on his footy?

Play say 12 games or less next year and be right for finals isn't of bruised, battered and tired.

 

[Partridge]

Cotchin is stepping down as Tigers captain, I wonder if Joel would do the same and just focus on his footy?

Play say 12 games or less next year and be right for finals isn't of bruised, battered and tired.

Can you afford to have a part time footballer though? I wouldn't have thought so.

 

[Jimmy Yamazaki]

Can you afford to have a part time footballer though? I wouldn't have thought so.

Probably not, but I think it'll be better than running him full time in the midfield all year asI doubt they play him permanently in the VFL.

 

[Shadow89]

Can you afford to have a part time footballer though? I wouldn't have thought so.

To be honest, it's actually the best compromise for him - as he could educate the young mids coming through our VFL program, while simultaneously preserving his body for if we get to the pointy end, and giving much more midfield time to guys like Holmes, Stephens, Simpson etc.

 

[iameviljez]

Cotchin is stepping down as Tigers captain, I wonder if Joel would do the same and just focus on his footy?

Play say 12 games or less next year and be right for finals isn't of bruised, battered and tired.

He will be 34 by that point. I'd suggest that by finals time next year, if we are genuinely in flag contention (which I believe to be unlikely), a 34 year old Selwood who isn't playing week-in, week-out would not be a good enough player any more to merit midfield inclusion.

 

[year of the cat]

Richmond won the last of their premierships only 12 months ago and we have already seen Houli and Astbury retire and Cotchin relinquish the captaincy. We won our last flag 10 years ago and appear to be stuck in time.

 

[Strange Cat]

Richmond won the last of their premierships only 12 months ago and we have already seen Houli and Astbury retire and Cotchin relinquish the captaincy. We won our last flag 10 years ago and appear to be stuck in time.

And yet straight after ‘10 and 11 we started to phase out the older champions and yet here we are holding onto them for grim life and recruiting washed up players

makes an absolute mockery of how we treated our past champions

 

[standupand]

And yet straight after ‘10 and 11 we started to phase out the older champions and yet here we are holding onto them for grim life and recruiting washed up players

makes an absolute mockery of how we treated our past champions

That is so true, it hurts.

 

[iameviljez]

Richmond won the last of their premierships only 12 months ago and we have already seen Houli and Astbury retire and Cotchin relinquish the captaincy. We won our last flag 10 years ago and appear to be stuck in time.

In fairness, we were bottoming out in 2015 and Dangerfield’s return changed all that.

 

[standupand]

In fairness, we were bottoming out in 2015 and Dangerfield’s return changed all that.

Finishing with 2 more wins than losses and just outside the 8. I don't think we were bottoming out. I think we were part way through a rebuild that ultimately went bad. We had a lot of players in that 21-24 age bracket and a few in the over 30. Recruited for the 'now', to fill a perceived gap in the mid 25-28 range, rather than wait for the core group to mature and we've been hanging on ever since. As it turned out, there was a lot of bad luck with those under 24 types we had on our list that showed a lot of promise early - Christensen, Vardy, Cowan, McCarthy, Menzel.. even Duncan and Guthrie had their injury issues along the journey. I'm not sure how much influence Selwood has had in the recruitment strategy. It should be zero. But the whole club were far too "impatient" for a flag in my opinion. What was a suspicion at the time is now crystal clear in hindsight.

 

[iameviljez]

Finishing with 2 more wins than losses and just outside the 8. I don't think we were bottoming out. I think we were part way through a rebuild that ultimately went bad. We had a lot of players in that 21-24 age bracket and a few in the over 30. Recruited for the 'now', to fill a perceived gap in the mid 25-28 range, rather than wait for the core group to mature and we've been hanging on ever since. As it turned out, there was a lot of bad luck with those under 24 types we had on our list that showed a lot of promise early - Christensen, Vardy, Cowan, McCarthy, Menzel.. even Duncan and Guthrie had their injury issues along the journey. I'm not sure how much influence Selwood has had in the recruitment strategy. It should be zero. But the whole club were far too "impatient" for a flag in my opinion. What was a suspicion at the time is now crystal clear in hindsight.

I actually think 2016 was our best crack at a flag. Prime position into the 2016 PF and then couldn’t convert a huge i50 differential into a win.

 

[Poetic Justice]

I actually think 2016 was our best crack at a flag. Prime position into the 2016 PF and then couldn’t convert a huge i50 differential into a win.

So the year that we were in a grand final wasn't our best crack at a flag?

 

[iameviljez]

So the year that we were in a grand final wasn't our best crack at a flag?

I don’t think so, no. 2020 I think we overachieved with an ageing list and Richmond was still top dog. We weren’t perfect in 2016 but it was a very even year, and we had the best player in the comp by quite some way.

 

[Strange Cat]

So the year that we were in a grand final wasn't our best crack at a flag?

Doesn’t matter what year it is 2013, 2016 or 2020…always the same results

 

[Poetic Justice]

Doesn’t matter what year it is 2013, 2016 or 2020…always the same results

Strange Cat on this forum: I'm going to post my opinion 5000 different ways

I get your point mate but I was pointing out the irony in that he was saying a year where we didn't make a grand final (and be leading well at half time, mind you) was our best chance to win a flag..

 

[Strange Cat]

Strange Cat on this forum: I'm going to post my opinion 5000 different ways

I get your point mate but I was pointing out the irony in that he was saying a year where we didn't make a grand final (and be leading well at half time, mind you) was our best chance to win a flag..

If you don’t like my post feel free to put me on ignore

 

[Poetic Justice]

If you don’t like my post feel free to put me on ignore

There's no need to ignore you - nothing to say I can't point out my opinion