Can we talk about the captaincy?

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I feel for Joel.
He will take this whole situation the hardest out of all the players we've ever had. Deserved a lot better than this one dimensional coaching staff with inflated ego's.

Big change should have occurred after 2014. A waste of Selwood's prime years.
 

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Matthews also touched on Geelong’s much publicised list profile which could see a dozen players over the age of 30 playing on in 2022.

He feels the Cats would be well aware of their situation and the challenge is to somehow keep themselves competitive at the pointy end.

“Geelong has got an ageing list and they know that too,” he said.

“You can’t have 12 players playing at 35, can you?

“They’ve got to be careful though not to throw the baby out with the bathwater. Just because you have one bad game, just because it happens to be the last game of the year doesn’t mean you throw the baby out with the bathwater.


This part will get overlooked. It's not one bad game. We lost 4 out of our last 6, and were absolutely smashed in both finals losses. We also lost 2 out of the last 3 games at Geelong - the first time that's happened since 2002. That's a long long way from one bad game.

And no you can't have 12 players playing at 35, but we also showed fairly conclusively you can't have 11 players playing at 30 in a final either.
 
I like this part...

Matthews also touched on Geelong’s much publicised list profile which could see a dozen players over the age of 30 playing on in 2022.

He feels the Cats would be well aware of their situation and the challenge is to somehow keep themselves competitive at the pointy end.

“Geelong has got an ageing list and they know that too,” he said.

“You can’t have 12 players playing at 35, can you?

“They’ve got to be careful though not to throw the baby out with the bathwater. Just because you have one bad game, just because it happens to be the last game of the year doesn’t mean you throw the baby out with the bathwater.


This part will get overlooked. It's not one bad game. We lost 4 out of our last 6, and were absolutely smashed in both finals losses. We also lost 2 out of the last 3 games at Geelong - the first time that's happened since 2002. That's a long long way from one bad game.

And no you can't have 12 players playing at 35, but we also showed fairly conclusively you can't have 11 players playing at 30 in a final either.
And the common thread in all those losses is that we got run off our feet.
 
Hard to imagine at the end of a long and gruelling season, particularly when half your team is 30 or over.

Young players get run off their feet too. The issue is the gameplan not the age of the list.
 
The lack of overlap doesn’t help, but as you age, the first thing to go is speed, the second is running capacity

Age kills speed yes but it doesnt kill endurance. The issue is our gameplan is physically to taxing to sustain all year imo and the lack of overlap run is a huge issue. This is not due to age but due to the types of players we select.
 

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I feel for Joel.
He will take this whole situation the hardest out of all the players we've ever had. Deserved a lot better than this one dimensional coaching staff with inflated ego's.

Big change should have occurred after 2014. A waste of Selwood's prime years.

I don’t disagree with this. What I find odd is that the reverse rarely applies with certain posters.

do you think the staff coaches or fans - and no I’m not talking about Selwood here as such as his effort was still good - deserve to have players going out and not chasing, not tackling, not running for one another?
 
The gameplan tailors to the fact more often than not our midfield ages not including rucks are 23 (Parfitt), 29 (Guthrie), 30 (Duncan), 30 (Menegola) and 33 (Selwood).

We play a slow build up and control because over a year if we went hell for leather like Port, like Melbourne, like Bulldogs, like Sydney, like GWS, we could be ****ing cooked by Rd 11.

If we were in a Premiership window this year, our starting 3 mids would all be 24/25/26, you would have a guy like Guthrie off half back and Selwood would go in to the middle for 6 minutes a quarter.
 
You seriously think having half the side at 30 or over isn't an issue? Petracca was looking at Selwood with contempt when he was running past him. It's a massive factor.

Petracca looking at Selwood with contempt...turn it up...
 
He’s not wrong look at how the whole Melb midfield treated Joel, they pushed him around and jerred and laughed at him ….they knew he was the weak link by physically getting into him and taunting him
yes it was a point that's interesting was our team not going in to defend the skipper not matter what, this wouldn't have happened 10 years ago, so the question needs to be asked is there a morale problem, and was that altercation showing a symptom of the morale problem?
 
yes it was a point that's interesting was our team not going in to defend the skipper not matter what, this wouldn't have happened 10 years ago, so the question needs to be asked is there a morale problem, and was that altercation showing a symptom of the morale problem?
It’s been an issue for years and years that the team doesn’t defend any of our players when they are targeted…. You even see Hawkins and Co telling Joel to forget about it ect while the Melb players were being lippy and pushing him

they all just stood around and watched
 
Age kills speed yes but it doesnt kill endurance. The issue is our gameplan is physically to taxing to sustain all year imo and the lack of overlap run is a huge issue. This is not due to age but due to the types of players we select.
It does kill endurance, just the effect is not as dramatic as on speed and acceleration.
 
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