Can’t believe how bad our injury list is already. It tends to happen every year. Compare ours to Brisbane who literally only have Hipwood listed
Autopsy Canny Crows take a giant dump on dopey dogs from up high. 63-62.
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That’s true, but the initial emotions should be put to bed and the focus should be moved to the teams efforts on the upcoming game. Away from what’s happened.
No doubt Bevo used it to try and garner some emotions from the players in an effort to make today’s game mean something.
I think the robot approach is exactly how we should be functioning. Look at the Dees at the moment. A well tuned machine that probably only needs a squirt of oil and a turn of the screws each week and off they go.
I appreciate Bevos emotional intelligence, and I reckon it’s a big reason the club has grown so much since he too over. I just think it’s also had a negative influence at times.
I also think it is the reason we are always so up and down with our form and have never had a top 4 finish, as Dogwatch was discussing earlier n
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Do people still think that Weightman didn't play a game that was a liability?
Tough day for small forwards when their tall backs were allowed to mark everything.
Been an issue for nearly a decade. Definitely since Bevo has been in charge (not blaming him).
Nah bro we mean that players can't be sacked at all. You just have to keep them on your list forever.
Dense was kind in retrospect.
It’s hard for any of us to know why it keeps happening. But to say it’s bad luck would imply you are also capable of having good luck. Which never seems to be the case with us and injuries!
VDM has done zilch this year? JJ has never performed or played his best footy forward, again Beveridge trying to manufacture something that's not there, I understand Weightman has his ups and downs but I think the ups will outweigh the downs going forward
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I just wanted to say I wouldn't use these charts to substantiate any argument. They're interesting, and sometimes on the money, but also they miss a lot at times.
I'm not here to defend Weightman. By all accounts he was pretty crappy today.Do people still think that Weightman didn't play a game that was a liability?
I just wanted to say I wouldn't use these charts to substantiate any argument. They're interesting, and sometimes on the money, but also they miss a lot at times.
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I don't see how we can't at least guarantee great people some stability and longevity.
It's disappointing.
I look at the staff crews at other clubs and still feel like we're Average Joe's Vs Globogym... premiership team and grand finalist...shouldn't be like that.
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So you review the whole strength and conditioning and medical area and see what's not working. Clearly something isn't.
Our slow entries into f50 were abysmal and frustrating. In the first half, particularly the second quarter, we often had mids on the wing in front of us in the main grandstand with static possessions. Instead of trying to move the ball, they waited, Crows flooded back hard, and our forward line was clogged. There was one instance just before half time where I think a quick passage ended with McComb at chf and our forward line was wide open. He had players leading to a space - and pinpointed a solitary Crow drifting down.
But it showed if we moved rhe ball quicker, it negated Crows talls ability to intercept. Sadly we didn't have to many other entries where f50 was so open.
But the trend continued all game. We needed quicker movement, and Naughton, JUH or Bont/Schache leading away from each other to space.
Also watching live, from the start of the game, the propensity to handball backwards/sideways to a team-mate under intense pressure as an instinctive first option was making everyone in my vicinity tear their hair out. The fact that when there was a genuine option handballs were missing targets from metres away, or regular clean disposers like Daniel and Dale were missing targets or contributing directly to turnovers, belies our skill in those situations as a rule.
Crows clearance work was dominant all day, plus they often had one on their defensive side of the contest to tackle or intercept our handball chains.
While the deplorable skill levels at short range are on the players, the failure to change our clearance set-up - especially against a dominant oppo ruck - is an indictment on the coaches.
And kicking down the line - from our vantage point it was clear O'Brien (for them) knew that's exactly what we'd do. We could see him making position, often opposed by Cordy, and his marking was inevitable.
I get the tragic circumstances this week, so maybe everyone was flat and that contributed to our challenges. And Martin was just bundled aside often by O'Brien which didn't help.
But I'm still frustrated with such a deplorable display by all involved. There's a few individual players I'd like to pot for some poor efforts at times - one who took some very short steps to avoid a contest from a bigger player coming the other way and one who's efforts at times in the first half were slightly redeemed in the second half, but they're both already scapegoats on here anyway, so nothing to be gained.
Very few of our players can walk off that ground today satisfied that they gave it their best shot. Whereas I suspect virtually every Crow player contributed to very much a team effort.
At least the weather was good, and we had some friendly company in bay 16. And got a close up of Bevo's tamed locks as he and other coaches charged up and down the stairs.
But it showed if we moved rhe ball quicker, it negated Crows talls ability to intercept. Sadly we didn't have to many other entries where f50 was so open.But the trend continued all game. We needed quicker movement, and Naughton, JUH or Bont/Schache leading away from each other to space.
Also watching live, from the start of the game, the propensity to handball backwards/sideways to a team-mate under intense pressure as an instinctive first option was making everyone in my vicinity tear their hair out. The fact that when there was a genuine option handballs were missing targets from metres away, or regular clean disposers like Daniel and Dale were missing targets or contributing directly to turnovers, belies our skill in those situations as a rule.
Crows clearance work was dominant all day, plus they often had one on their defensive side of the contest to tackle or intercept our handball chains.
While the deplorable skill levels at short range are on the players, the failure to change our clearance set-up - especially against a dominant oppo ruck - is an indictment on the coaches.
And kicking down the line - from our vantage point it was clear O'Brien (for them) knew that's exactly what we'd do. We could see him making position, often opposed by Cordy, and his marking was inevitable.
I get the tragic circumstances this week, so maybe everyone was flat and that contributed to our challenges. And Martin was just bundled aside often by O'Brien which didn't help.
But I'm still frustrated with such a deplorable display by all involved. There's a few individual players I'd like to pot for some poor efforts at times - one who took some very short steps to avoid a contest from a bigger player coming the other way and one who's efforts at times in the first half were slightly redeemed in the second half, but they're both already scapegoats on here anyway, so nothing to be gained.
Very few of our players can walk off that ground today satisfied that they gave it their best shot. Whereas I suspect virtually every Crow player contributed to very much a team effort.
At least the weather was good, and we had some friendly company in bay 16. And got a close up of Bevo's tamed locks as he and other coaches charged up and down the stairs.
JJ played some decent games forward last year, seems to have some forward nous. I suspect we'll persevere with him there when he's back.
Agree on VDM, so disappointing given his early promise. JJ has it all over him for skill/disposal.
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The difference is that whilst these players aren't necessarily "good", the combination of Weightman, Scott, McNeil and McComb playing across wing, half-forward and small forward were so utterly woeful, that even a "bad" game from the players we had missingplayers would have been less harmful than the absolute depths of lack of productive output we got from those players. I've posted the charts and stats. McComb had 4 effective touches from his 11 all game etc. We fundamentally chose to give a game to Vandermeer ahead of Scott, McNeil and McComb to start the season for a reason. I've posted about Vandermeer's weaknesses before (just look thorugh my post history) but you can't disagree that we could have won that game if he wasn't injured and we didn't play one of those three, take your pick.
We dominated clearances and yet were dominated by I50 differential and efficiency. Transitioning the successful grunt stuff that we did well (Libba and Dunkley both had 30-odd touches and 10 tackles each) into actual outside stuff falls on the blokes we had through wing and half-forward.
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2 points and we’re lauding the team for their resilience with Bruce, McLean, Hunter, English and Keath out. These are all first 10 players picked for us.
To lose by a point against a hungry side that is trying to climb the ranks when we’re temporarily down on form and injury hit…. It ain’t crazy.
We can acknowledge that humans are affected by traumatic events in a negative way sometimes. Maybe that 1% cost us today.
To lose by a point against a hungry side that is trying to climb the ranks when we’re temporarily down on form and injury hit…. It ain’t crazy.
We can acknowledge that humans are affected by traumatic events in a negative way sometimes. Maybe that 1% cost us today.
Our injuries since 2015 have been terrible. In the 2015 elim final we had about 7 players out. 2016 decimated again...round 14-16 we had about 9 or 10 of our best 23-25 out. 2017 hit again, important players going down derailed us. 2018 decimated. Last year we were hit by injuries more than any other top 8 side. And again this year. It's just not good enough.
The big difference now is our depth. 2016 we had the best depth in the league, and C graders playing out of their skin for 4 weeks. Now our depth isn't there at all.
The big difference now is our depth. 2016 we had the best depth in the league, and C graders playing out of their skin for 4 weeks. Now our depth isn't there at all.
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Was at Ballarat for the first time today. Sensational venue. Reminded me of being back at the Western Oval as a kid. It was a shame we played so poorly. Regularly kicking down the line to 6+ pack contests.
I thought Libba was huge, Dunkley was good too. I thought Gardiner was excellent down back and there were good signs from O’Brien and Richard’s. Dales kicking is incredibly important and it was a bit off today. Other than that though, there wasn’t a whole heap of movement. Too many static players. Our best piece of play was a handball chain of 8 or so which went the length of the ground. Much better than kicking it on the top of Marta and Naughton heads.
Disappointing not to get up but we didn’t deserve it. On to the Roid Ragers this week. Hopefully we can run the ball a bit better indoors.
I thought Libba was huge, Dunkley was good too. I thought Gardiner was excellent down back and there were good signs from O’Brien and Richard’s. Dales kicking is incredibly important and it was a bit off today. Other than that though, there wasn’t a whole heap of movement. Too many static players. Our best piece of play was a handball chain of 8 or so which went the length of the ground. Much better than kicking it on the top of Marta and Naughton heads.
Disappointing not to get up but we didn’t deserve it. On to the Roid Ragers this week. Hopefully we can run the ball a bit better indoors.
Went to the game and had a seat at front on concerte side so couldnt see much haha. Did i miss something? From what I could see Scahche looked good 1st half down back then did ok up forward 2nd half. Bloke doesn't get a chance in 1 spot for an extended period unlike alot of others in the team.
The day Melbourne (or anyother side) gets the number of injuries we have they become a middle of the road footy side. Having said that, I am not happy with Bevo and the coaches atm. The selection is poor. So has been the fact that we do not have a decent backup ruck. We need to get another ruck, give Sweet a couple of games and start looking to recruit fast moving talls. We need to clean out those VFL players that are not performing. I hope today's game is a wake up call to everyone, because it was a pitiful show today.
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Equal top scorer. Had he been in the forward line all day, we'd have won.
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So poor in the air today, tallest side we’ve put in in a while yet those talls were Cordy, Shache, Martin, Gards & JUH who offer literally zero marking power - Naughty & O’Brien the two obvious exceptions. Big difference with Keath, Bruce & English available but thing is when those guys are available we don’t play that many talls and then we lose the aerial battle anyway.
O’Brien, Keath, Gards down back Sweet splitting the ruck with English allowing him to help out as a marking option rather than contesting every ball up around the ground, Naughty, Buku & Jamarra up front
That looks so much better aerially
O’Brien, Keath, Gards down back Sweet splitting the ruck with English allowing him to help out as a marking option rather than contesting every ball up around the ground, Naughty, Buku & Jamarra up front
That looks so much better aerially
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Is Sweet a prolific contested mark in the VFL? I don't watch any VFL so I wouldn't know. The way you talk about him makes it sound like he's Naughton on steroids.
No, he averages 0.3 per match.
When are our entries ever good?
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