Welcome to East Germany Carlton and Collingwood - who finishes higher in 2023? Collingwood Ofcourse

[Arr0w]

Yet Freo had no interest in keeping him and only offered him peanuts as a salary

amzing how some players improve when they change clubs

They have plenty of young options coming through for that role and one club lowballing a player isn't unusual

 

[carlton_99]

Yet Freo had no interest in keeping him and only offered him peanuts as a salary

amzing how some players improve when they change clubs

He was literally the pick a AA wing spot at the half way point of the year before the hammy. Was clearly a top 5 winger in 2022. McLuggage, Langdon and Daicos probably the only three that were the same or better in that position

 

[carlton_99]

Acres is a list improvement that will take you to finals?

The poster I was replying to said that we had not improved the list - not anything to do with finals. Nevertheless, a switch from Newnes/Setterfield to Acres is a massive improvement to our best 22 and considering how close we were this year the change will give us a better chance of being a top 8 team in 23'

 

[Strapping Young Lad]

It’s improved from last year

Is it though?

I read the comments from other posters about all the players who can rotate through and “surprise” the opposition, but that to me just says that McRae doesn’t have any absolute standouts who’s output demands that they’re cemented into key spots, like Curnow and McKay at Carlton.

DeGowy would have to be your best forward option going forward, but he’s going to play a fair bit of midfield I’d think.

Mihocek and McStay as key forwards, with Cox or Cameron helping is arguably the worst group looking to play finals.

 

[Bianconeri]

Is it though?

We’ve added McStay and Hill, there are no superstars there but atleast we can play a better balanced forwardline.

 

[beema limapep]

Yet Freo had no interest in keeping him and only offered him peanuts as a salary

amzing how some players improve when they change clubs

Future third traded IIRC

 

[Rioli2Rioli]

He was literally the pick a AA wing spot at the half way point of the year before the hammy. Was clearly a top 5 winger in 2022. McLuggage, Langdon and Daicos probably the only three that were the same or better in that position

I highly doubt anybody rated him that highly including Carlton supporters prior to joining the blues , He is just an average player and hardly a match winner now at his 3rd club and neither of his prior clubs were desperate to keep him.

27 years old and not alot of improvement if any left in his game but i suppose better than what the blues had on the list , He played 20 games last year and doing a hammy didnt stop him from AA going by your assertion and was traded for a pick in the 50's which would indicate his value and just a guees but would doubt he would be getting more than $400k and averages just 4 more touches than LOB. Doubt he is anywhere near the quality of the players you mentioned

Just an average player

 

[Pistol Night]

We’ve added McStay and Hill, there are no superstars there but atleast we can play a better balanced forwardline.

McStay copped a hiding but he’ll free up Mihocek a bit and he can crash packs

 

[beema limapep]

The poster I was replying to said that we had not improved the list - not anything to do with finals. Nevertheless, a switch from Newnes/Setterfield to Acres is a massive improvement to our best 22 and considering how close we were this year the change will give us a better chance of being a top 8 team in 23'

Well you finished a hares breath out of the 8. If he is the 'massive improvement' list example being declared here and now, is he not the difference between playing and not playing finals?

 

[beema limapep]

Would be interesting to redo the poll on the eve of Round 1. Or even now.

In all fairness? I reckon the vote would reverse from 40/60 to 60/40.

 

[Fadge]

How have Carlton not improved their best 22/30. Their biggest deficiency was the wing and Acres was probably a top 5 or so wing in 2022. Didn't lose any significant pieces either...

Yep.

Acres surely will be the difference...

 

[Pistol Night]

Would be interesting to redo the poll on the eve of Round 1. Or even now.

In all fairness? I reckon the vote would reverse from 40/60 to 60/40.

Kind of loosely using the word ”interesting”

 

[Fadge]

Is it though?

I read the comments from other posters about all the players who can rotate through and “surprise” the opposition, but that to me just says that McRae doesn’t have any absolute standouts who’s output demands that they’re cemented into key spots, like Curnow and McKay at Carlton.

DeGowy would have to be your best forward option going forward, but he’s going to play a fair bit of midfield I’d think.

Mihocek and McStay as key forwards, with Cox or Cameron helping is arguably the worst group looking to play finals.

Yeah, 12 options to rotate through the forward line capable of kicking 30 goals each surely can't work...

 

[Robertio]

Yet Freo had no interest in keeping him and only offered him peanuts as a salary

amzing how some players improve when they change clubs

Markov didn't.

 

[Rioli2Rioli]

Markov didn't.

??

Dont get your point ?

 

[Fadge]

Markov didn't.

He's no Cincotta (or whatever his name is)

 

[carlton_99]

Well you finished a hares breath out of the 8. If he is the 'massive improvement' list example being declared here and now, is he not the difference between playing and not playing finals?

No not all. Since when is the addition of one player the difference. If the 2023 goes exactly the same way as 2022 then yes maybe the difference. But we havento get better across the park to make the 8

 

[Pistol Night]

No not all. Since when is the addition of one player the difference. If the 2023 goes exactly the same way as 2022 then yes maybe the difference. But we havento get better across the park to make the 8

Only by 2 minutes..

 

[carlton_99]

Yep.

Acres surely will be the difference...

When did I say he was. I disagreed that we didnt improve our list. He is an improvement to the list but we need internal improvement to make the finals

 

[Fadge]

When did I say he was. I disagreed that we didnt improve our list. He is an improvement to the list but we need internal improvement to make the finals

The unfortunate thing for Carlton is there have been 6 other finals contenders materially improve their lists, who are also expecting internal improvement.

Good luck.

 

[beema limapep]

When did I say he was. I disagreed that we didnt improve our list. He is an improvement to the list but we need internal improvement to make the finals

Groundbreaking logic right here. Imagine our suprise.

 

[Pistol Night]

Groundbreaking logic right here. Imagine our suprise.

They’ll need to win 2 Brownlows and 3 Colemans next year?

 

[Fadge]

They’ll need to win 2 Brownlows and 3 Colemans next year?

Might enable them to sneak into 8th.

 

[beema limapep]

They’ll need to win 2 Brownlows and 3 Colemans next year?

The moronic Carlton logic of a dynasty of 3 incoming premierships will be announced by round 2 this year instead of round 3.

Nek minute...

 

[Corn Cobbers]

Yep.

Acres surely will be the difference...

He looks like yet another one they've picked up who can play a bit but is injury-prone, can guess what's going to happen here, by June we'll be hearing stuff like "..., and we haven't had Acres for 6 weeks, and..."