Meltdown Carlton and Collingwood - who finishes higher in 2024?
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Robertio
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No it means Carlton were not charged for any premiership year, anything else is just a rumour,
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Robertio
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He might've been making a point mate.
They're rumours I have heard. No different to your rumours, or anyone else's rumours. They are rumours. Not deflecting at all.
You can say all you like about supposed breaches in 1995 that actually did not happen.
Do you actually believe that Collingwood have been squeaky clean since the salary cap was introduced ? Seriously , you blokes are the ones with you're heads in the sand if you think that
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It has been brought up by a few collingwood supporters in here ? Don't believe me ?
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Robertio
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Herald Sun lol, no mention of Eddies jobs for the boys and their partners? Have a look on page 3.
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I think most people are aware of how much of a hypocrite you are, but it's always good to remind people.
Calling out Carlton posters for mentioning rumours, while liking Pies supporters doing the same...
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You still would have had an easier set draw based on your bottom 4 finish in 2021 just like any other team in that position
So again , it's not factual.
It's like Caro saying " it's my understanding...." knowing that whatever is reported , if wrong , cant come back to bite her as it is what her sources have told her.
Unless you can bring up a link from the AFL that Carlton were fined , suspended or whatever , then it's total bullshit and misreported. But it is the HUN , so it's more than likely rubbish
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"According to a report"... solid evidence.
Did we though? Is that a fact?
How do you explain away Collingwood's top placed finish this season?
Whose fixture was hardest? Pies defy odds, Dockers miss chance - Whose fixture was hardest? Pies defy odds, Dockers miss chance
And what about Carlton's 'easy draws' for the entirety of this century?
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Well you wanted evidence, there it is
Personally I couldn't give a rats, Blues copped a big whack and I always assumed burying 95 was part of the deal, no one wants to see a title vacated NRL-style
Was this EVIDENCE admissible or not ? Serious question
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Even if I personally believed that there was a strong chance that we breached the cap in 1995 (not saying I do or don't), a newspaper article is NOT evidence and we were found guilty of, or punished for breaching the cap in a flag year.
Not sure why burying any wrongdoing for 1995 would be an issue for the AFL. They found Essendon guilty of breaching the cap in 1993 and didn't take their flag off them, so they've demonstrated that this doesn't matter to them. If we were guilty, they'd have no issue saying it.
Well we played Collingwood, Melbourne, St kilda and GWS twice this year. Wouldn't call that a particularly easy draw.
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I wasn't explaining away any of Collingwood's success at all. Not everything is an attack on Collingwood
And your point about Carlton is way off. Bottom teams should be getting the easiest of draws in the comp - unfortunately we weren't so lucky in a lot of these years
2019 - Carlton after finishing last in 2018 (with only 2 wins!!!) had a more difficult draw (based on Champion data rankings) than Richmond who made a prelim plus six other teams
2020 - Carlton's fixture was ranked 6th hardest despite finishing 16th in 2019, and this was harder than 7/8 of the top 8 teams from 2019
2021 - Carlton's fixture was again ranked as the 6th hardest despite finishing 11th (7-10 record) in 2020, and this was more difficult than 5 of the top 10 teams from 2020
2022 - Carlton's fixture was ranked the easiest of the comp (thanks to the fact they finished 13th which puts them in the bottom 6 group for "weighted" fixturing) but it ended up being far from that due to the significant improvement of 3/5 of their double-up opponents who all missed finals in 2021 (Pies, Dockers and Tigers). Carlton ended up playing 11/22 games against the top 8 (only Giants, Saints and Bombers played more with 12).
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Admissible
I really can't be bothered going back and fact checking every alleged Carlton SC breach, just too many of them
Suffice to say, the cheating was significant and consistent
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