lol essendon havent rebuilt to anything, they are going to be stuck in 6-8 position for a long time, just like sos said on footy classified, its easy to build a team that always finishes in the middle, which is exactly what essendon are going to do.
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I think koutas had one too many Herbalife drinks.
No surprise that Kouta would bemoan the demise of Elliott. Kouta symbolises just how much Elliott & Co were prepared to thumb their nose at AFL rules. Elliott had the cheek to bad mouth Hamill while at the same time sending a truck load of money in Kouta's direction. More money than any current Carlton player is receiving.
He's a bit off the mark with those comments, Essendon's penalties were less severe than ours and they were coddled afterward, we were made to feel like criminals even beyond Elliott's era and every decision we've made has been scrutinised to the point that we don't know whether we're coming or going. I'm not saying that we haven't caused a lot or even most of our own problems but it's really not comparable to the Essendon situation. Kouta is a great champion of the club but he's never been a football purest so he's looking at this from a somewhat detached perspective.
Kouta lets rip.
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Not the brightest bloke, is Kouta.
Kouta is not wrong but he is talking about the board and president 4 regimes ago, then applies it to today.
The club (at least from the outside) appears a very different place to the one that ousted Ratts...
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To be claiming that we still haven't recovered from losing 'two draft picks' is just daft.
It's what it has done to our heads in how we approached things, since, not what the impact of losing those two players had done to our actual playing list. We weren't even allowed to trade into the draft and if I remember correctly, we had an extra PP stripped from us the following year as well. That's not to say that a stronger club wouldn't have coped much better but it certainly got the better of us for quite some time.
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Can't remember any other club being banned from trading back into the first two rounds. Reckon the AFL learned a lesson after seeing the damage done by that particular ruling.
Was the harshest part of the penalty.
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We should definitely look closely at how Essendon completed their incredibly brave recovery. They almost played finals this year!
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Agree, a real gent, but not very bright
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I love Kouta, but that probably explains why he has never been offered an official coaching role at the club
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I loved Kouta as a player, but christ almighty, they had a ****ing fully developed list before the drug saga. It was young and ready to go. They haven’t had to add much to their list to almost make finals! In fact the druggies were in finals during their cheating saga. Honestly, Kouta should just stick to ripping people off with his herbalife bullshit and leave the footy talk to people who know. Shits me the ex players who don’t know the inner workings of our club today act like they know what’s happening...
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That's a bit rough on Kouta, 'Footy talk' is all about opinion and whether you agree with him or not, that is all he was doing, expressing his opinion.
If it was left only to those in the know none of us would be talking about footy here.
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By how we traditionally have measured success - premierships - they're absolutely right.
If you spend the better part of a century behaving like premierships are the only thing that matters, don't then shift the goalposts when you're in a bit of a dry spell.
I'm not sure what you are referring to but winning premierships has always been "the only thing that matters" (although I'd argue that premierships are a means to an end rather than an end in itself) unless you think that a large subset of fans who became despondent post salary cap saga and were just hoping for their next win, was a reflection of the club itself at the time. It's always been about premierships but not everyone agrees on how best to approach things. I think the club was too freaking scared to do anything assertive out of fear of failure but they still naively thought they were doing the right thing and that they would pinch one (a premiership) sooner or later.
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In the post I quoted, the poster seemed to be calling out the unfairness of completely ignoring the finals we played between 2009-2013, of the relative successes we had in that epoch compared to other clubs, for whom success is even less (hence their Essendon example). To my mind, you cannot have it both ways; either you're a premiership club, and you're not satisfied with making up the numbers, or you're content merely with contending in which that period - when the closest we ever got to actual success was a final in Perth.
In the past, "We're Carlton, **** the rest" worked both ways. Only our premierships counted, because that was the metric by which we judged others and ourselves. That it suited us then is immaterial really, but it means that others will inevitably rub it in our faces a bit when times are not so good. Either or; value other side's pushes when they never tasted true success (St Kilda, from 2000-2010) without bagging them out for being shit, or realise that a sword can cut with either edge.
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They said during the last show that there will be another one later in the year. I imagine they’re waiting for the trade period to play out.
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i also heard that caller. What irked me was Gerard's lack of response; dismissive and arrogant in it is scarcity. Since arriving at SEN, Gerrard appears to have approached his time slot as if the simple rawness and passion of the average sports listener is somehow ignorant of some deep enlightenment he is pursuing. its no wonder that time slot is the worst performing time slot on SEN. Its not the ABC, he needs to better engage with his audience, not merely present to it. i rarely listen to him, and refuse to download his podcasts, he bores me to tears.
He's got many problems. Takes himself way too seriously, and yet is appallingly inconsistent and like a terrified bunny when someone like Bucks pushes back. SEN really needs to get someone like Sam Pang on there to balance him out. Someone funny (Gerard has no real sense of humour) but also smart enough to call him out and create a little tension (not Robbo).
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