Banter Carlton is better in 2024. Who will be better in 2025? Carlton or Collingwood? Part 3

[Scritchyscroony]

Yeah man, I'm just as bad as fudge.

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I notice you there on the list.
We all need to get a life mate if that's how you think.
As I said. Pot Kettle.

 

[Fadge]

Are you over complicating it?
Carlton say they are contenders in the window. They genuinely believe they can draft the next Joel Sellwood who can come in and impact from year 1.
So we can assess success or failure at the end of year 1, year 2, 3 etc.
The comparison could be based on player ratings in seniors matches for simplicity.
So in year 1 for Carlton it's picks 3 rating V's the ratings of Owies, Kennedy, pick 12 pick 14. In year 2 it's pick 3 vs ratings for Owies, Kennedy, 12, 14, and 2025 1st & 2nd. Etc.
For Collingwood it's player ratings for Schultz and Houston v. Ratings for Pick 10, 13, 36 at the end of each year.

And you reckon I'm overcomplicating it...

 

[Robertio]

Are you over complicating it?
Carlton say they are contenders in the window. They genuinely believe they can draft the next Joel Sellwood who can come in and impact from year 1.
So we can assess success or failure at the end of year 1, year 2, 3 etc.
The comparison could be based on player ratings in seniors matches for simplicity.
So in year 1 for Carlton it's picks 3 rating V's the ratings of Owies, Kennedy, pick 12 pick 14. In year 2 it's pick 3 vs ratings for Owies, Kennedy, 12, 14, and 2025 1st & 2nd. Etc.
For Collingwood it's player ratings for Schultz and Houston v. Ratings for Pick 10, 13, 36 at the end of each year.

 

[carlton_99]

Are you over complicating it?
Carlton say they are contenders in the window. They genuinely believe they can draft the next Joel Sellwood who can come in and impact from year 1.
So we can assess success or failure at the end of year 1, year 2, 3 etc.
The comparison could be based on player ratings in seniors matches for simplicity.
So in year 1 for Carlton it's picks 3 rating V's the ratings of Owies, Kennedy, pick 12 pick 14. In year 2 it's pick 3 vs ratings for Owies, Kennedy, 12, 14, and 2025 1st & 2nd. Etc.
For Collingwood it's player ratings for Schultz and Houston v. Ratings for Pick 10, 13, 36 at the end of each year.

There is so much wrong with this but let's focus on the part where you think we traded 12, 14, F1, F2, Kennedy and Owies for pick 3. Can you tell me at what point in the trade period we had all of these picks and players to give in one trade?

 

[adammania9]

All 3 major betting agencies in the country have Carlton and Collingwood neck and neck . Wonder why ?

Interesting. Per this article posted in January 2023, Collingwood and Carlton were both $10 to win the 2023 premiership

Early 2023 odds for AFL Premiership, Brownlow, Rising Star + more

Who will take out the biggest honours in 2023?

www.sen.com.au

 

[Scritchyscroony]

There is so much wrong with this but let's focus on the part where you think we traded 12, 14, F1, F2, Kennedy and Owies for pick 3. Can you tell me at what point in the trade period we had all of these picks and players to give in one trade?

At the point that you had 12, 14 and your F1 and F2? Everything you did from that point was to get pick 3 wasn't it?
Feel free to provide info, make suggestions rather than just critique and ask more questions.

 

[Scritchyscroony]

We need to include the player ratings for Noble and Richards too.

 

[carlton_99]

At the point that you had 12, 14 and your F1 and F2? Everything you did from that point was to get pick 3 wasn't it?
Feel free to provide info, make suggestions rather than just critique and ask more questions.

At no point did we have 12, 14, F1 and F2 at the same time. Our F1 and F2 were used to get 14. So you are essentially counting the same pick twice. In reality to get 3 we gave up 12, F1 and F2. Owies got us a pick upgrade for the Campo twins as part of it. Kennedy was unrelated to the deal for 3.

 

[Scritchyscroony]

At no point did we have 12, 14, F1 and F2 at the same time. Our F1 and F2 were used to get 14. So you are essentially counting the same pick twice. In reality to get 3 we gave up 12, F1 and F2. Owies got us a pick upgrade for the Campo twins as part of it. Kennedy was unrelated to the deal for 3.

Oh yeah my bad.
So just 12 and 14 v. Pick 3 this year then for Carlton
And
Picks 10, 36, 13, 36 compared to Houston and Schultz for the pies.
Don't need Noble or Richards included.

Jeez I've butchered this! Shoulda just listened to Fadge

 

[Fadge]

Interesting. Per this article posted in January 2023, Collingwood and Carlton were both $10 to win the 2023 premiership

Early 2023 odds for AFL Premiership, Brownlow, Rising Star + more

Who will take out the biggest honours in 2023?

www.sen.com.au

I'm hanging out for the finals odds to be available.

Parlay Collingwood to make them into Carlton to miss and quadruple your money

 

[carlton_99]

Jeez I've butchered this! Shoulda just listened to Fadge

Don't worry Damian Barrett did the same thing in his if/then article this week. At least you aren't being paid to get this stuff right like Barrett is

 

[Robertio]

Don't worry Damian Barrett did the same thing in his if/then article this week. At least you aren't being paid to get this stuff right like Barrett is

He is Damian Barrett.

 

[carlton_99]

He is Damian Barrett.

I wouldn't say that about my worst enemy

 

[CarmenSandiego]

Why is it so crazy to think pick 3 will make an impact?

First year players make an impact all the time.

Walsh, Daicos, Reid, JHF, Jackson, Weitering, Serong, Ashcroft.

Ollie Hollands filled a spot pretty seamlessly last year. Shit even Jaidyn Stephenson

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was elite for the Pies in that 2018 year.

 

[Fadge]

Why is it so crazy to think pick 3 will make an impact?

First year players make an impact all the time.

Walsh, Daicos, Reid, JHF, Jackson, Weitering, Serong, Ashcroft.

Ollie Hollands filled a spot pretty seamlessly last year. Shit even Jaidyn Stephenson was elite for the Pies in that 2018 year.

OK.

Now list all the first year players that didn't make an impact:
1. In their first year, and
2. At all.

 

[CarmenSandiego]

OK.

Now list all the first year players that didn't make an impact:
1. In their first year, and
2. At all.

This outlook is such a loser mentality.

It's like clubs not bothering going for the flag because only 1 team out of 17 can win it.

You sound like a very risk averse person. I’m sure it’s served you well in life but for big sporting clubs, businesses etc., risks need to be taken and key decision makers need to back themselves if they’re going to go anywhere.