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JeffDunne said:
Bookmark it and shove it back at me when it doesn't happen ok??
Give it 4 or 5 months.
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Carlton wants $10m from AFL
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Bookmark it and shove it back at me when it doesn't happen ok??
Give it 4 or 5 months.
SaintsSupporter said:
hahaha you lost, you know you did. let it go
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This is just the equalisation policies of the league coming back to haunt them.
Carlton are more important than any of the other struggling clubs - that's not the problem; the problem is that they know it.
does anyone else get the impression that Carlton know the league is as much against the wall in there own way, as they are? I just think Carlton are playing the league for all they can get.
and who can blame them? it's just a more sophisticated play on the old concern that why should a club run itself properly if it didn't have to.
What's more as soon as the bail out is in place, I am sure you will see a whole new change of tune from Carlton and its backers; but there isn't anything the league can do.
nice work Vlad
Carlton are more important than any of the other struggling clubs - that's not the problem; the problem is that they know it.
does anyone else get the impression that Carlton know the league is as much against the wall in there own way, as they are? I just think Carlton are playing the league for all they can get.
and who can blame them? it's just a more sophisticated play on the old concern that why should a club run itself properly if it didn't have to.
What's more as soon as the bail out is in place, I am sure you will see a whole new change of tune from Carlton and its backers; but there isn't anything the league can do.
nice work Vlad
Welcome to the AFL. You get what you ask for. A lot of people support the socialist agenda and accompanying lack of accountability and unconditional underwriting. Surely there is no surprise that this can happen. It will happen again and again as it gets more expensive to run a football club and TV money becomes more influential. As the clubs have less direct and more AFL directed revenue they will become more and more lazy, inefficient and unaccountable. There are no consequences for bad financial management no matter what the cause.
If the AFL bail Carlton out for anything like the noises that are being made the message is clear. Spend all you want and forget the net result because no matter how or why you lose money we will cover it. The AFL will find it very difficult, if not impossible in court, to refuse funding to anyone in the future if they come to the party here. It also sends a message to the Pratts of the world who might otherwise dig deep. Why would Carlton’s very wealthy supporter base dig into their pockets when the AFL will do it.
If you were Pratt & Co (and there are others) you would wait for the AFL to put in, accept a year of their regulation and then bail the club out if needed and get out from the AFL’s control after they have cleared the decks. Why put in $10m now when you can let the club take the AFL’s $10m and then a year later chuck in a lazy mil to return profitability and thumb your nose at the AFL.
This is the house of cards built by the push for engineered equality and central control. Does a line get drawn anywhere? If not here then where?
A $2m CBF redistribution accompanied by strict controls I can understand and accept. The sort of stuff that’s been talked about is outrageous though. The other clubs should make a stand and their members should make sure they do.
If the AFL bail Carlton out for anything like the noises that are being made the message is clear. Spend all you want and forget the net result because no matter how or why you lose money we will cover it. The AFL will find it very difficult, if not impossible in court, to refuse funding to anyone in the future if they come to the party here. It also sends a message to the Pratts of the world who might otherwise dig deep. Why would Carlton’s very wealthy supporter base dig into their pockets when the AFL will do it.
If you were Pratt & Co (and there are others) you would wait for the AFL to put in, accept a year of their regulation and then bail the club out if needed and get out from the AFL’s control after they have cleared the decks. Why put in $10m now when you can let the club take the AFL’s $10m and then a year later chuck in a lazy mil to return profitability and thumb your nose at the AFL.
This is the house of cards built by the push for engineered equality and central control. Does a line get drawn anywhere? If not here then where?
A $2m CBF redistribution accompanied by strict controls I can understand and accept. The sort of stuff that’s been talked about is outrageous though. The other clubs should make a stand and their members should make sure they do.
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For what? I don't recall any scoop on your part, just a spot of whinging. My only contention in that thread was that the AFL could make Princes Park more viable than Carlton could. This was backed up by Demetriou in the following days.JeffDunne said:
Apology? JD, I'm sorry you are hell bent on point scoring. It's a sad state of affairs.
Optus Oval is a white elephant. And its Carlton's white elephant. They have to foot the bill.
If they dont want to pay for the upkeep, then they should vacate the premises and train at a public park. Its not the AFL's problem - they were adamant all along that the ground rationalisation programme did not include Optus Oval - they never approved the Legends Stand.
Carlton should not recieve a dollar of assistance until they have proven to the AFL that they are prepared to make financial sacrifices, like replacing the coach with somebody who will work for 500k per annum less. Then and only then should some kind of assistance package be negotiated. But not anywhere near 10 mil.
If they dont want to pay for the upkeep, then they should vacate the premises and train at a public park. Its not the AFL's problem - they were adamant all along that the ground rationalisation programme did not include Optus Oval - they never approved the Legends Stand.
Carlton should not recieve a dollar of assistance until they have proven to the AFL that they are prepared to make financial sacrifices, like replacing the coach with somebody who will work for 500k per annum less. Then and only then should some kind of assistance package be negotiated. But not anywhere near 10 mil.
Think you will find that ALL clubs in debt (think it is 4 or 5) wanted their debts cleared in a one off equalisation payment,
to co-incide with the new TV deal,
after all club directors met a month or so ago.
But as there is no such thing as collective memory in football,
it has been forgotten,
and turned into this sensational pap.
to co-incide with the new TV deal,
after all club directors met a month or so ago.
But as there is no such thing as collective memory in football,
it has been forgotten,
and turned into this sensational pap.
JeffDunne
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Apology for constantly being called a troll for stating what is now fact.The Old Dark Navy's said:
I don't recall anyone else suggesting the amount Carlton are now putting to the AFL or that they would ask for draft assistance.
Maybe for once ODN, rather than thinking the world is against you and your team, you might actually read the substance being posted. You might think I'm whinging about this unncessarily, but as MarkT points out, if the AFL agree to this proposal why should teams clean up their own mess like my club has done this decade?
igt22265 said:
Link? Proof? Or are you just making it up?
No, the troll reference is when you act like a total smartarse.
And if you think you're still innocent of that, I can easily provide many examples. Usually you're not far off the mark, hell, I'll even admit that when you talk about Carlton at times. But sometimes, sometimes... you troll.
You give credit where it's due, but sometimes you let the hatred of our club get the best of you. Especially with some of our more "oddball" supporters here.
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I am certain this has a basis in fact LY.localyokel said:
There have been murmurings in the WA press about a meeting held in the last month whereby all clubs wanted a bigger share due to the TV revenue.
Like Oliver Twist the clubs and the AFLPA are walking in hands out ''more sir?''
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I don't know if you've noticed Thrawn, but we're talking football here. The jibes thrown around are nothing more than typical football banter. If you take offence to your team being labelled cheats and a rabble then I suggest you stick to more serious topics in life. It wouldn't matter if your team was still on the top of the heap or the bottom, oppositions supporters are going to throw jibes around and try and have a laugh at your team. My replies to some of the more mindless posters are nothing more than that.Thrawn said:
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Maybe the AFL should look a little more closely at some of the "related party transactions" berfore handing over the dosh.
Why on earth would the football club bill the ground manager (S&CC) $500K per year for management fees? And why do Carlton STILL have such high printing costs where one director and several ex-players STILL do very nicely out of thank you very much?
Why is it that a club that has the benefit of a blockbuster draw and a large membership base is still bleeding so badly?
So many questions the AFL could ask if they wanted too.
Why on earth would the football club bill the ground manager (S&CC) $500K per year for management fees? And why do Carlton STILL have such high printing costs where one director and several ex-players STILL do very nicely out of thank you very much?
Why is it that a club that has the benefit of a blockbuster draw and a large membership base is still bleeding so badly?
So many questions the AFL could ask if they wanted too.
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That the AFL haven't already laughed Carlton off is embarrassing and frustrating.
That the AFL haven't already laughed Carlton off is embarrassing and frustrating.
asking for 10 million allows room for barganing. carlton know they won't get 10mil butgives them room to move.
ask for 10 you might get 5, if you go in asking for 2 you might only get 1
as they say if you don't ask then you don't get.
ask for 10 you might get 5, if you go in asking for 2 you might only get 1
as they say if you don't ask then you don't get.
Surely the AFL has to say no and say it firmly and immediately. Bad luck boys. It’s your mess and you either clean it up or the liquidators do it for you after we take back you licence and sell it to Southport. The AFL can always come in for a last minute bail out.
As it stands there is little incentive for Carlton and Carlton people to solve their problems. If the AFL said we are not interested in your white elephant and we cannot afford the funding you require, let alone being able to get it through the clubs without a riot and a coup, so go and make some commercial deals or face the music as directors who have incurred debts while insolvent. Carlton is famous for playing hard ball off the field. That is what is needed now from the AFL who are famous for playing cards with their hands open for all to see. AD could surely make this call credible given the Carlton AD persecution complex.
Carlton would have to go to the lessor of their ground and strike a deal. Its x amount or zero upon our liquidation. Then they have to cut lose the social club completely, do a St. Kilda deal and then ask a few rich supporters to bail them out on the basis the AFL will kick in about $1.5m p.a. for 3 years under the CBF or whatever it is called now.
As it stands there is little incentive for Carlton and Carlton people to solve their problems. If the AFL said we are not interested in your white elephant and we cannot afford the funding you require, let alone being able to get it through the clubs without a riot and a coup, so go and make some commercial deals or face the music as directors who have incurred debts while insolvent. Carlton is famous for playing hard ball off the field. That is what is needed now from the AFL who are famous for playing cards with their hands open for all to see. AD could surely make this call credible given the Carlton AD persecution complex.
Carlton would have to go to the lessor of their ground and strike a deal. Its x amount or zero upon our liquidation. Then they have to cut lose the social club completely, do a St. Kilda deal and then ask a few rich supporters to bail them out on the basis the AFL will kick in about $1.5m p.a. for 3 years under the CBF or whatever it is called now.
PerthCrow said:
I have no doubt the clubs are lining up for more money but I cant remember a proposal that debts be paid out by the AFL.
I want to see some pain before they get any financial assistance.
Before we got any CBF money we had to get our business plan approved, sold home games and cut costs everywhere, including the football department.
It also cost us Nathan Brown and Peter Everitt.
Before we got any CBF money we had to get our business plan approved, sold home games and cut costs everywhere, including the football department.
It also cost us Nathan Brown and Peter Everitt.
JeffDunne
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Why would the AFL do that when they are the people driving this. Carlton have already been told what the AFL will accept.MarkT said:
You mean enter into an arrangement with creditors?
Why would they do that? From my undertsanding the S&CC's largest creditor is the football club itself (other than the Melbourne City Council). The City Council would be easy to deal with as widing up the S&CC would terminate the lease and give control back to the council (from my understanding). If this was a commercial decision by the AFL to take on Princes Park, clearly the AFL would be better off letting the lease be terminated, wind up the social & cricket club and then the AFL deal directly with the council. The only reason the AFL don't want to do that is because it wouldn't help Carlton.
Why would the AFL want the lease?
The Blues PR machine was working full bore last week.
All the other supporters laughing at our misery.
Don't blink will you. Because you may miss the biggest resurrection since Jesus.
Kangas, Bulldogs and Dees watch and learn.
All the other supporters laughing at our misery.
Don't blink will you. Because you may miss the biggest resurrection since Jesus.
Kangas, Bulldogs and Dees watch and learn.
