Prediction Changes Cats V Dogs 30.7.22 Can we break a 6,951 days drought

[House_of_Dahl]

Whilst we have a bad win-loss vs Cats it genuinely feels like we've been red hot chances in every recent game vs them that I can recall.

 

[D Mitchell]

Chris Grant kicked 50 plus goal in his debut year, as a 17 year old, 3 years younger. Both Cameron and Franklyn kicked 50 goals plus in their first 2 years. Let's hope that Ugle-Hagan goes on with it. Humble as I am, I'm that sort of a bloke, I'm prepared to concede that both Buckley and Bev might know a bit more about footy than me. But...

 

[HahnPremium]

Chris Grant kicked 50 plus goal in his debut year, as a 17 year old, 3 years younger.

Grant probably my fave bulldog ever.
But its an erroneous comparison to make considering how football has changed since then. Particularly forward craft and scoring.

 

[D Mitchell]

Grant probably my fave bulldog ever.
But its an erroneous comparison to make considering how football has changed since then. Particularly forward craft and scoring.

Of course it's an erroneous comparison, it was never set up to be a comparison, just as well, Grant was a multiple goal scorer from his first game, both Cameron and Franklyn scored 50 plus goals in their first 2 seasons. Don't discount Grant's achievement, he had to put up with the laxity of umpires in an era that tolerated outright assault on young talent, there was that game at Victoria Park in 1989 when he was literally criminally attacked by McKeown. On the score of the Melbourne game, Ugle-Hagan's, at last, earned his way into the side, the first time in 2 seasons. I concede that Bev and Buckley might, just might, know a bit more about footy players than me. I care about the win, not the pre-pubescent, hero worship of the individual. I reckon his automatic, undeserved selection, this season, has cost the Club up to 4 games.

 

[Deadly Darcy]

Perhaps a few of us are under-estimating Darcy. Because of his reach he can take marks against any opponents and although he's as skinny as a stick of macaroni, I reckon he's good for a few contested marks deep in the forward line. His kicking is very sound also. He will do a reasonable forward half ruck job too. I know it's a bit of a risk against arguably the best defence in the comp but riskier selections in big games have occured many times before.

I just watched his game v casey. I get the argument he needs another year but I'd love to see Darcy, Naughton, JUH and Bruce rotated up forward v the cats. We need to take a risk to beat them and I'd chance him rather than Hunter who I just don't trust. Gives us a competitor if Bruce doesn't fire again that we could change things up with. Its a punt and I cant see it happening but would love to see it.

 

[D Mitchell]

Whilst we have a bad win-loss vs Cats it genuinely feels like we've been red hot chances in every recent game vs them that I can recall.

Some years back we had a several point win at the G over Geelong, second best game of footy I can recall seeing.

 

[HahnPremium]

Of course it's an erroneous comparison, it was never set up to be a comparison, just as well, Grant was a multiple goal scorer from his first game, both Cameron and Franklyn scored 50 plus goals in their first 2 seasons. Don't discount Grant's achievement, he had to put up with the laxity of umpires in an era that tolerated outright assault on young talent, there was that game at Victoria Park in 1989 when he was literally criminally attacked by McKeown. On the score of the Melbourne game, Ugle-Hagan's, at last, earned his way into the side, the first time in 2 seasons. I concede that Bev and Buckley might, just might, know a bit more about footy players than me. I care about the win, not the hero worship of the individual. I reckon his automatic, undeserved selection, this season, has cost the Club up to 4 games.

Firstly, if it wasnt a comparison why bring up grant with a heavy focus on his age? Basically inferring he was younger than Jamarra and kicked 50. Of course it was a comparison unless it was just sloppy posting on your part.
Secondly, in no way did I discount Grant at all. He is my fave bullies player and his 50 goals was a phenomenal effort. Im not discounting or comparing. Your posts read as very disjointed and confusing as to what actual points you are attempting to make.

 

[D Mitchell]

inferring he was younger than Jamarra and kicked 50.

Inferring ? Grant was both younger and infinitely better. it's fact, maths and history. There are few who disparage Grant, I'm not accusing you of being among that few. A great game by the lad, well above his usual 6 or 7 disposals, max; any contested marks and fewer than a goal a game. Let's hope he doesn't fall back to his usual, statistically supported, standard and contributes again.

 

[HahnPremium]

Inferring ? Grant was both younger and infinitely better. it's fact, maths and history. There are few who disparage Grant, I'm not accusing you of being among that few. A great game by the lad, well above his usual 6 or 7 disposals, max; any contested marks and fewer than a goal a game. Let's hope he doesn't fall back to his usual, statistically supported, standard and contributes again.

So it was a comparison. I just got confused when you said it wasnt. I am appreciative tho after intially accusing me of discounting grant you now recant and understand I wasnt.
I dont think Jamarra will ever reach Grants heights as a footballer. Grant was great to me on so many levels. Skill. Toughness. Adapatability. Often playing a lone hand in many years of us being an ordinary team. He wasnt a ranter or a raver. He was the first bullies player for a long time to just say "jump on board... we can do and be better". I think he reprsented a real cultural change in the mindset of our football club. From forever battlers to inspiring a real belief to want to be better and accomplish this. People say wallace introduced this to our club. I always say Granty was an earlier precursor for this cultural change.
And a bloody fair player and a gentleman to boot. I could wax lyrical about him and his influence for ages but I think you get my passion for the man.
I just think we give Jamarra time. A forward line of him, norts and darcy would be formidable. Not one "star" has to carry the load. At any game, at any time, one will break out. A future nightmare for oppo teams in years to come Im hoping.

 

[doggiesin08]

Perhaps a few of us are under-estimating Darcy. Because of his reach he can take marks against any opponents and although he's as skinny as a stick of macaroni, I reckon he's good for a few contested marks deep in the forward line. His kicking is very sound also. He will do a reasonable forward half ruck job too. I know it's a bit of a risk against arguably the best defence in the comp but riskier selections in big games have occured many times before.

If Andrew Hooper can debut in a semi final then Sam Darcy can debut against the Cats away.

 

[Struggle]

Of course it's an erroneous comparison, it was never set up to be a comparison, just as well, Grant was a multiple goal scorer from his first game, both Cameron and Franklyn scored 50 plus goals in their first 2 seasons. Don't discount Grant's achievement, he had to put up with the laxity of umpires in an era that tolerated outright assault on young talent, there was that game at Victoria Park in 1989 when he was literally criminally attacked by McKeown. On the score of the Melbourne game, Ugle-Hagan's, at last, earned his way into the side, the first time in 2 seasons. I concede that Bev and Buckley might, just might, know a bit more about footy players than me. I care about the win, not the pre-pubescent, hero worship of the individual. I reckon his automatic, undeserved selection, this season, has cost the Club up to 4 games.

How was Tom Hawkins second season?
How about Josh Kennedy?
Or Tom Lynch?
Jack Riewoldt?
Charlie Dixon?
Where was Ben Brown playing aged 19/20?

 

[perro_loco]

Are people actually suggesting that we drop Bruce for Darcy so they can play the same role?? I'm confused, but why? Because Bruce didn't kick a bag or rack up high stats? You think playing him in the VFL ''will get the rust off?'' or ''find form?''

No.

Bruce demands respect, and demands a damn good KPD to cover him. If you were at the game on Saturday night you'd know he was often demanding May's attention with Petty and Tomlinson basically 2 arms lengths away at any point, they had him blanketed. You remove Bruce for a first gamer and basically you are shuffling 1st and 2nd KPD's back onto Naughton and JUH so they can be tag-teamed. Bruce is also instrumental in setting up structure in the forward line and spreading forwards, I was lucky enough to be sitting down on level 1, he barks orders at all our forwards and they all shut up and listen. No Bruce, no JUH/Naughton getting off the chain, doesn't matter if he kicks 0, he has way big of impact than stats show.

Give Darcy time, he'll make it, but if you want us to have a shot at actually beating Geelong and their very good defenders, you don't bring Darcy in.

You are totally right. Darcy is not ready to debut in such an important game. Bevo (sack the coach perro_loco) would not even consider such a silly idea. Sorry Bevo.

One change is Caeb Daniel in Treloar out.

 

[blagodellago]

They were all up and down. Riewoldt and Hawkins didn't really become consistent and have a big impact impact on games until their 3rd seasons, Kennedy and Lynch it took four seasons. They all got dropped several times before this. The only KPF who has starred that I can recall in his second season was Carey, although Nick Riewoldt was also very good and played just about every game in his 2nd season I think.

Jezza Cameron’s second season was really impressive


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[Optimistic Dog]

No news on Sam debuting if he was it would have be announced today. Probably the right call against the cats. I know the reasons put forward for keeping Bruce in the team. I still find it hard to have someone in the team that has a total of 5 disposals in 2 games. Games should not be gifted even if he is coming back from injury. He should go back to the reserves find some footy and come back when in form. I am sure Schache, O'Brien or Cordy would get dropped with those stats. I would be playing one of these as a defensive forward probably Schache and second ruck.

 

[dogwatch]

No news on Sam debuting if he was it would have be announced today. Probably the right call against the cats. I know the reasons put forward for keeping Bruce in the team. I still find it hard to have someone in the team that has a total of 5 disposals in 2 games. Games should not be gifted even if he is coming back from injury. He should go back to the reserves find some footy and come back when in form. I am sure Schache, O'Brien or Cordy would get dropped with those stats. I would be playing one of these as a defensive forward probably Schache and second ruck.

None of Schache, O’Brien or Cordy have had a 50 goal season. Or even come close. Bruce has had two, and one of them was last year with this side (well a goal or two short of 50 if you want to quibble but it was well short of a full season so just as impressive).

The argument has been made several times. Bruce gives us the structure that enabled us to kick 110 points against Melbourne. At least one of the three will fire. If they put their best negaters on Naughton and Marra then Bruce gets off the leash. If Bruce kicks zero again but Naughton and Marra kick 7-8 between them it’s still a good result for us.

 

[Optimistic Dog]

None of Schache, O’Brien or Cordy have had a 50 goal season. Or even come close. Bruce has had two, and one of them was last year with this side (well a goal or two short of 50 if you want to quibble but it was well short of a full season so just as impressive).

The argument has been made several times. Bruce gives us the structure that enabled us to kick 110 points against Melbourne. At least one of the three will fire. If they put their best negaters on Naughton and Marra then Bruce gets off the leash. If Bruce kicks zero again but Naughton and Marra kick 7-8 between them it’s still a good result for us.

Like someone once said opinions are like backsides (Keeping it nice) everyone has one, it is one of the main reasons bigfooty exists. A lot opinions cannot be proven either way. If Bruce plays well and we win I will admit to being wrong. If he plays like he has the last 2 and we win I will be happy with this result. If he plays poorly and we lose narrowly I will be disappointed as there other players more deserving of game that may have made the difference.

This is an important game A win is going to be very difficult but if win we are just about certain of playing finals we will need to be at our best to get the result.

 

[Testekill]

Like someone once said opinions are like backsides (Keeping it nice) everyone has one, it is one of the main reasons bigfooty exists.

 

[Foxman98]

Like someone once said opinions are like backsides (Keeping it nice) everyone has one, it is one of the main reasons bigfooty exists. A lot opinions cannot be proven either way. If Bruce plays well and we win I will admit to being wrong. If he plays like he has the last 2 and we win I will be happy with this result. If he plays poorly and we lose narrowly I will be disappointed as there other players more deserving of game that may have made the difference.

This is an important game A win is going to be very difficult but if win we are just about certain of playing finals we will need to be at our best to get the result.

2 of the 3 named have been playing as defenders in the 2's and the other had 9 touches and no goals gotta have the players knocking down the door to change a structurally important player

 

[Sentinel]

 

[Foxman98]

Really hope we keep Treloar at Half Back think he's found his spot in the team there

 

[goodcop badcop]

In for Hannan or JJ then.

 

[Sentinel]

In for Hannan or JJ then.

McComb out, JJ to sub, Daniel in would be my move.

 

[BEaston]

Great news.

In: Schache, Daniel
Out: Bruce, Williams

Backs: Keath, Gardner, Buku, Dale, Richards, Daniel, Hannan
Mids: English, Bont, Libba, Dunks, Macrae, McNeil, Treloar, Smith
Fwds: Naughton, Schache, JUH, West, Garcia, Weightman, JJ

Very good team IMO, probably best all year.

I'd be fine with any of Hannan, McNeil, Williams coming out for Daniel and the magnets can be moved around as required. I think Williams has been poorest out of those 3 though.

 

[Dog 36]

Great news.

In: Schache, Daniel
Out: Bruce, Williams

Backs: Keath, Gardner, Buku, Dale, Richards, Daniel, Hannan
Mids: English, Bont, Libba, Dunks, Macrae, McNeil, Treloar, Smith
Fwds: Naughton, Schache, JUH, West, Garcia, Weightman, JJ

Very good team IMO, probably best all year.

I'd be fine with any of Hannan, McNeil, Williams coming out for Daniel and the magnets can be moved around as required. I think Williams has been poorest out of those 3 though.

Bruce you can mount an argument to be omitted BUT Williams ??????

Williams has been more than solid without been spectacular.

He has just come off controlling a wing vs Melbourne in that he did a job on Langdon

 

[adogsfan5]

Treloar and Daniel right to go for this week. Time to get Ads back on a wing/on ball.