Unofficial Preview Changes for Carlton (team in OP) IN Reid, Ramsay, De Goey OUT Schade, Broomhead , Varcoe

[magpie_marty]

It's got people jumping over on Nick's...

Correct Batman that is where i read it.

 

[Gone Critical]

None of that makes any sense. Reid as a lone forward is more dangerous than Moore as a lone forward, and Grundy with Reid is as dangerous as Cox and Moore together.

Cox is developing awfully in the AFL imo. He's unable to take a contested mark and is a liability at ground level. He needs to go back to the VFL to develop some confidence and improve his contested marking to an appropriate standard.

This is where we differ. I would prefer the Combo of Cox and Moore to Reid and Grundy because Grundy has little to no attributes as a forward.

The contested mark issue I differ on also. Cox is going ok there. His career CM average (with only 14 games) is 1.4 /game. Its in the same ball park as Darcy who career wise is 1.7 game and way ahead of Grundy who is 0.5 /game. Cox is only going to get better in this area. I am happy to have him in the AFL while his stats for goals and contested marks per game are encouraging. Ground level he has a few tricks for a man his size. On the weekend he was involved in a number of positive handball chains and if Darcy had cottoned to the knock on Cox gave it would have been a game highlight.

 

[Gone Critical]

Ok can anyone tell me a good pub in collingwood to watch pies on foxtel tomorrow

I like the Carringbush in Abbotsford. Lots of Collingwood memorabilia. The Baden Powell in Collingwood is great. The owner Sammy Forte will be there and is a Carlton nut. Give him plenty and tell him its from me.

 

[Apex36]

This is where we differ. I would prefer the Combo of Cox and Moore to Reid and Grundy because Grundy has little to no attributes as a forward.

Why are you even comparing those combos? If you want to make a comparison to Reid and Grundy then compare Moore and Grundy or Moore by himself. Saying Moore and Cox is stronger than Reid and Grundy is just bizarre because you're comparing a starting forward pair to a temporary pairing that might be active for 5 minutes a quarter.

The active combos to compare are:
Moore/Cox - Moore/Reid : stronger combo is Moore Reid

Moore/Grundy - Reid/Grundy: stronger combo is Reid/Grundy

Moore solo - Reid solo: winner Reid

The only area we're weaker with Reid ahead of Cox playing forward is in the ruck, and that's only for 5 minutes a quarter against the oppositions second tier ruckman too.

The contested mark issue I differ on also. Cox is going ok there. His career CM average (with only 14 games) is 1.4 /game. Its in the same ball park as Darcy who career wise is 1.7 game and way ahead of Grundy who is 0.5 /game. Cox is only going to get better in this area. I am happy to have him in the AFL while his stats for goals and contested marks per game are encouraging. Ground level he has a few tricks for a man his size. On the weekend he was involved in a number of positive handball chains and if Darcy had cottoned to the knock on Cox gave it would have been a game highlight.

The problem is that the bulk of his contested marks come in the defensive half of the grounds from kick outs rather than in the forward 50 where he has an opponent actually putting work in to him. As soon as he gets any attention he seems to panic and forgets to put up both his hands to mark.

All I see here are arguments based on what Cox could potentially be rather than what would actually make us stronger as a team. Cox is perfectly capable of working on his deficiencies in the VFL, and if he develops enough, then promote him. Until then it feels like we're gimping ourselves in the hope that Cox will suddenly turn in to a genuine forward rather than a ruckman who's pretending to be one.

 

[pablo disco bar]

We are no chance next week against giants

 

[Apex36]

We are no chance next week against giants

How about we worry about Carlton before we start thinking about the Giants?

 

[bunter]

i'm looking forward to this game. no changes from my side!!
5 decades of supporting the woods and these games always get me fired up.
barassi, Hopkins, Nichols, jezza, syd james, dominator, harmes, buzz, McClure, mosquito fleet, rhys jones, diesel, Bradley, kernahan. f#cking cheats............. they're a great club & there's nothing better than beating them.
long live the rivalry, go pies.

 

[esc0bar]

There were some big question marks about that first game for Barham, about nine of them in clanger form.

And the VFL watchers were banging on about how good he was for a long time...

 

[Leviathan Pie]

Jackson Ramsay in is quite horrifying.

 

[Apex36]

Jackson Ramsay in is quite horrifying.

Ease up...

 

[jmac70]

We are no chance next week against giants

We are a good chance to roll GWS

 

[TradeDraft]

We are a good chance to roll GWS

Yep. They have NEVER Beaten Us

 

[Stoods]

Wells better not be out

 

[TradeDraft]

Wells better not be out

I doubt it as be Stupid for a Late Change because of a Rest. Wells be a Massive Out

 

[jmac70]

I doubt it as be Stupid for a Late Change because of a Rest. Wells be a Massive Out

We will still win comfortably without Wells. Better off resting him now for the GWS game.

 

[pablo disco bar]

Where has this wells talk come from?

 

[Stoods]

Where has this wells talk come from?

I think someone said something on Nicks

 

[Gone Critical]

Why are you even comparing those combos? If you want to make a comparison to Reid and Grundy then compare Moore and Grundy or Moore by himself. Saying Moore and Cox is stronger than Reid and Grundy is just bizarre because you're comparing a starting forward pair to a temporary pairing that might be active for 5 minutes a quarter.

The active combos to compare are:
Moore/Cox - Moore/Reid : stronger combo is Moore Reid

Moore/Grundy - Reid/Grundy: stronger combo is Reid/Grundy

Moore solo - Reid solo: winner Reid

The only area we're weaker with Reid ahead of Cox playing forward is in the ruck, and that's only for 5 minutes a quarter against the oppositions second tier ruckman too.


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Good call I didn't think that through although you probably need to count the loss of Reid in the backline as part of the equation.

Moore Cox Reid (CHB) v Moore Reid Schade (CHB)

 

[Gone Critical]

The problem is that the bulk of his contested marks come in the defensive half of the grounds from kick outs rather than in the forward 50 where he has an opponent actually putting work in to him. As soon as he gets any attention he seems to panic and forgets to put up both his hands to mark.

All I see here are arguments based on what Cox could potentially be rather than what would actually make us stronger as a team. Cox is perfectly capable of working on his deficiencies in the VFL, and if he develops enough, then promote him. Until then it feels like we're gimping ourselves in the hope that Cox will suddenly turn in to a genuine forward rather than a ruckman who's pretending to be one.

Do you have figures for that. He took a strong contested mark against the Cats down back but my feeling would be the majority of his marks and his contested marks come in the forward line and usually in the forward 50.

 

[TradeDraft]

Hope for Simmlar Score Tomorrow:

 

[Kick It 2 Me]

We are no chance next week against giants

They look wounded to me. Perfect time to get 'em and do it just like the saints did. Tackle 'em.

 

[Gone Critical]

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All I see here are arguments based on what Cox could potentially be rather than what would actually make us stronger as a team. Cox is perfectly capable of working on his deficiencies in the VFL, and if he develops enough, then promote him. Until then it feels like we're gimping ourselves in the hope that Cox will suddenly turn in to a genuine forward rather than a ruckman who's pretending to be one.

In a way our problem is we have 2 underdeveloped KPFs playing the 2 main roles. As much as Cox needs time to improve so does Moore and both are putting together the games and stats of developing forwards. Cox needs more uncontested marks more than anything. He is in the unusual position where he has taken more contested marks than uncontested marks per game in his career. Funny stat for a player who is perceived as unable to take a contested mark. Both have low possession numbers 7.8 and 9.2 per game career wise. With goals per game Cox is just ahead of Moore 1.3 to 1.2. Also ahead in tackles per game and obviously hit outs per game 8.6 to 0.9. They are both in the tough position of not having a senior established KPF to be the main man. If anything I would almost put an argument Cox is developing quicker than Moore.

 

[jmac70]

In a way our problem is we have 2 underdeveloped KPFs playing the 2 main roles. As much as Cox needs time to improve so does Moore and both are putting together the games and stats of developing forwards. Cox needs more uncontested marks more than anything. He is in the unusual position where he has taken more contested marks than uncontested marks per game in his career. Funny stat for a player who is perceived as unable to take a contested mark. Both have low possession numbers 7.8 and 9.2 per game career wise. With goals per game Cox is just ahead of Moore 1.3 to 1.2. Also ahead in tackles per game and obviously hit outs per game 8.6 to 0.9. They are both in the tough position of not having a senior established KPF to be the main man. If anything I would almost put an argument Cox is developing quicker than Moore.

Your arguement would make sense if they were both starting from the same point. They are not though. Moore is light years ahead of Cox.

 

[Stoods]

Hope for Simmlar Score Tomorrow:

I think the most unrealistic thing about this is we kicked fairly accurate with 12.4

 

[Vicky Park]

Thread closing. It's Game Day. The Pies have a solemn duty to perform - smash the Blues!