Strategy Changes & Pre-match Discussion - Round 13 vs. Melbourne, MCG Mon 12/06, 3:20pm BIG FREEZE

[archie965]

Anyone rate Harrison as AFL standard?

I thought he did pretty well first game tbh. Seemed to get to good places, tackled well, made OK decisions

 

[Timmy from Thomastown]

As talls start to return……

The dilemma we have been discussing for months will come home to roost. The coaching staff and selectors will have some delicate surgery required

We need a lineup that suits our game plan. The challenge will be adding frampton mcstay Howe etc without threatening to undermine the manic ball movement that has got us here in the first place….. ie not dropping the wrong players and making us too top heavy for the game style that has got us here in the first place.

 

[KillerMagpies]

Isn't Johnno already in?

Starting line-up.

 

[sr36]

I thought he did pretty well first game tbh. Seemed to get to good places, tackled well, made OK decisions

Yep. Didn't look out of place. Standard small forward game. Statistically on par with what you expect to get from a small forward.

 

[Chrispiesssss]

One of the talls would have to be the sub I reckon.

 

[sr36]

As talls start to return……

The dilemma we have been discussing for months will come home to roost. The coaching staff and selectors will have some delicate surgery required

We need a lineup that suits our game plan. The challenge will be adding frampton mcstay Howe etc without threatening to undermine the manic ball movement that has got us here in the first place….. ie not dropping the wrong players and making us too top heavy for the game style that has got us here in the first place.

I don't think adding in Frampton really benefitted the defence - let alone adding an extra aerialist in Howe as well.

 

[nahnah]

We have too many talls, a problem you’d think we’d never have

 

[ThePhantom777]

Fly disapproves of this thread

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For those disliking...from Fly's post-game presser.

Are you looking forward to King's Birthday? What's the mindset going into that game?

"I haven't said this on this side of the border, but we like to stay in the moment and have deep wins, so we're gonna enjoy this one. We've got a 9-day break. We're back at work on Wednesday and we'll get to work on Melbourne on Wednesday".

 

[Timmy from Thomastown]

I don't think adding in Frampton really benefitted the defence - let alone adding an extra aerialist in Howe as well.

Agree and was going to mention that myself…. First game back though so benefit of the doubt.

 

[Timmy from Thomastown]

One of the talls would have to be the sub I reckon.

That too is a terrible idea. The sub should be a midfielder or a medium tall at worst

 

[sr36]

That too is a terrible idea. The sub should be a midfielder or a medium tall at worst

Last final series we went in with a tall sub. It's a medical as well as a tactical sub

There's two ways to go. Play the minimum number of talls in your 22 to maximise run, in which case you might have a tall sub for medical cover.

 

[CasuallyDressed]

Anyone rate Harrison as AFL standard?

Looks like there is something to work with... or that could just be me.

He has a touch of class, first almost goal was pretty silky.

 

[gerryg400]

For those disliking...from Fly's post-game presser.

Are you looking forward to King's Birthday? What's the mindset going into that game?

He also said after the Anzac Day game that they had been planning for the 5 day break for months. He’s a sneaky bloke Fly.

 

[sr36]

Agree and was going to mention that myself…. First game back though so benefit of the doubt.

I didn't really mean in terms of Framptons game - more that we looked the same in terms of intercepting and defending the air as we usually do - we always look good at that, but we didn't look as sharp at ground level or get as many chains coming out.

 

[Timmy from Thomastown]

Last final series we went in with a tall sub. It's a medical as well as a tactical sub

There's two ways to go. Play the minimum number of talls in your 22 to maximise run, in which case you might have a tall sub for medical cover.

Yes we have done it from time to time although I think Kreuger in Finals as a sub was hardly an inspired choice ….but the post I was responding too didn’t see to suggest we run with minimum talls in the starting 22.

 

[ThePhantom777]

He also said after the Anzac Day game that they had been planning for the 5 day break for months. He’s a sneaky bloke Fly.

Player load management and recovery are different to staying in the moment and enjoying the wins deeply.

There's probably a psychology to it. Players being able to enjoy the win, they want that feeling every week.

 

[Timmy from Thomastown]

I didn't really mean in terms of Framptons game - more that we looked the same in terms of intercepting and defending the air as we usually do - we always look good at that, but we didn't look as sharp at ground level or get as many chains coming out.

Yep. We arguably missed markov ( who then admittedly did nothing after coming on… which is always the risk you take expecting subs to come on and engage 109 percent)

 

[Timmy from Thomastown]

Player load management and recovery are different to staying in the moment and enjoying the wins deeply.

There's probably a psychology to it. Players being able to enjoy the win, they want that feeling every week.

He’s said that before. They have given freedom to relax and enjoy wins for a day or two……. No rubbish old school coaching where they are told to turn off immediately after the song is sung and start studying for next weeks opponents.

 

[domus]

Agree.... i think it would be absolute madness.

Mihocek and AJ are not slow moving sloths. I don't get the negativity. At least give it a trial. Three smalls alongside 3 mobile talls is fine.

 

[sr36]

Mihocek and AJ are not slow moving sloths. I don't get the negativity. At least give it a trial. Three smalls alongside 3 mobile talls is fine.

3 is fine, but it's the rotations and low game time needed to not often have 4, if you're also playing 2 rucks.

 

[Timmy from Thomastown]

Mihocek and AJ are not slow moving sloths. I don't get the negativity. At least give it a trial. Three smalls alongside 3 mobile talls is fine.

Let’s give mcstay a run in the vfl first to get his touch back rather than experiment against Melbourne. We’ve already had mixed results bringing frampton in.

 

[domus]

Will only be saved by injuries if he doesn’t. Absolutely miles off it.

You’ll all go gaga about it, but just as made the early call on Stephenson I’m confident to go again and say Ginnivan won’t be on our list by the end of next year. Doubt he’ll be on a list at all, but he might get another shot in a bottom team, you never know.
Feel free to put that quote in your signature or set yourself a reminder if you need because I’m sure you all think it’s outrageous to even suggest it.

He’s the slowest bloke on our list, brings zero intensity when he doesn’t have the ball, drop his bottom lip at the first sign of trouble, tackles like his arms are made of spaghetti and his one trump card in his patented knee drop has been all but eliminated by the AFL. No good being a good kick for goal when you have no way of finding the ball close to goals now that the frees have dried up.

Harrison will overtake him quick smart if he shows a bit of ticker.

Xo

He has always been a flawed player who lacks pace and athleticism. These observations are not startling revelations. He had a poor game. AJ has had a few shockers. So has McCeery and Hill.

You cannot dismiss a player who has performed on big stages in high pressure games. He seems to suddenly have become the worst player on our entire list.

He has a great footy IQ which compensates for his lack of physical attributes.

He will never be quick or athletic but he will always have his goal sense and ability to make the most of limited possessions.

 

[gouki88]

Would have almost preferred to lose than lose 3 best 22 players.

We will be missing Lippa, Sidebottom, Howe, De Goey, WHE & Mcreery from our best 22 for the foreseeable future.

What's with the panic merchant behaviour? We have no idea the severity of WHE & McCreery's injuries, and Lippa seems on the cusp of return. Back from the ledge

 

[thebigsaveloy]

I don't think adding in Frampton really benefitted the defence - let alone adding an extra aerialist in Howe as well.

I've got doubts Frampton is in our best side. I don't mind him as an undersized crash and bash ruckman in the Leigh Brown role, but really worry about some of his decision making in defence, especially with the ball in hand.

 

[cwoodgal]

If we didn’t have so many injuries I would be dropping my beloved Ginni boy. Struggled to get in the game yesterday and was probably worst on field. I know his still young and will be inconsistent but he needs to provide more if he wants to cement his spot in this team. Hill is miles ahead of him and should be taking notes from him.


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