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What amuses me, reading this thread, are all the calls for Himmelberg to be dropped - but so few calling for Fogarty's head. Don't get me wrong - Himmelberg was awful, and definitely deserves to be dropped - but Fogarty was equally revolting. Both of these players are absolutely deplorable, and so far off being AFL standard that it's not funny, yet only one of them is singled out for "fire him into the sun" type comments.
Fogarty is 2 years younger and actually has ability. Berg is just a donkey.
Fogarty is 2 years younger and actually has ability. Berg is just a donkey.
He wasn't the worst on the ground, he was the third worst on ground per champion data, beating only 11 minute man Jake Soligo and fringe Collingwood mid Tyler Brown.
He offers nothing. He picks up cheap possessions to pad his numbers, all while arresting momentum, kicking sideways ot backwards, or giving short hospital handpasses. On top of that he is so slow that he looks like he's jogging on the spot while even middling runners seem to burst away from him.
Berry isn't fast, nor is he a great kick, but he is aggressive, looks to run both ways, has an attacking mindset, and has far more of a future with this side.
Jones middle or doesn’t play. Let’s stop mucking aboutBrown is the best defender we have, its Jones that needs to go
AgreedWith Alir out we have to bring Thilthorpe in.
Jonas and McKenzie massively exposed without Alir.
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Our bigger issue at the moment is finding the kahoonas to break from the current core mix of Sloane / Keys / Crouch / Laird to ensure we can get decent looks at our up and coming mids.Surely we need to determine if someone like Hately has a chance at AFL level at this point?
They're both donkeys.Fogarty is 2 years younger and actually has ability. Berg is just a donkey.
Our two critical areas relate to two major problems:Our bigger issue at the moment is finding the kahoonas to break from the current core mix of Sloane / Keys / Crouch / Laird to ensure we can get decent looks at our up and coming mids.
It's an indictment that at this point of our rebuild Shoenberg is the only next gen mid getting regular minutes in our midfield.
That's exactly right.
He's the best at it so he plays.... The others, well that's the issue.
Happy with that as well
Borlase looks to me a player the reads the game well and makes good decisions
Happy with either option before we pull the Frampton card again
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This is why he is not a selector.
I'm not a huge Crouch fan but he was far from the worst player out there for us.