Unofficial Preview Changes v North - Gather Round

[3KZ is Football]

Well they’ve already dropped Lyons so Lester or Ah Chee is the obvious choice particularly as Prior is also not in the side. We also know Fort will be worthy of being dropped seeing as though Oscar would never get dropped despite his pathetic recent performances.

Don’t forget Robertson - he must be due to be dropped. Berry looks safe this week again. He has a Gold Mulligan.

 

[martinson]

I guess I have to spell this out to you as well

This was a hypothetical discussion about how we can find a spot for Lohmann to have an extended run in the starting 22.

Not saying Ah Chee deserves to be dropped and your reaction proves my point that it’s hard to find a spot for Lohmann

It’s these sorts of reactions that explains how the ‘Vegas’ story takes of

I saw perfectly well the hypothetical discussion.

So now you're giving people a clip for not buying into your hypothetical.

But my reaction ' proves your point'

And explains how the 'Vegas ' story takes off.

So you spell everything out for the less literate of us.

You're a legend. Thanks for being so generous with your knowledge.

 

[3KZ is Football]

A much quicker side, with Lyons inclusion giving us the advantage of first hands on the ball at stoppages and tackling strength.

FB: Starcevich, Andrews, Gardiner
HB: Wilmot, Lester, Ah Chee
C: Fletcher, Dunkley, McCluggage
HF: McCarthy, Daniher, Lohmann
FF: Bailey, Rayner, Cameron
FOL: Fort, Neale, Robertson
INT: Lyons, Zorko, Tunstill, Prior
SUB: Sharp

This lineup would beat North. Rayner can lead out of the goal square or make a contest, clunk his marks or bring the ball to ground. We could play a faster and more open forward line. Very hard for opponents to match up on.

OUT: Berry, Hipwood, McInerney, Payne, Answerth (Lots off Gold Mulligan holders here)
IN: Lohmann, Tunstill, Prior, Gardiner, Lyons

 

[mpal6]

I personally don’t think anything will change (against good sides anyway, we should beat North), until we come to grips with either finding someone who can play the Kiddy (Rich) role adequately (unlikely given we don’t have other great kicks on the list), or we change our ball movement and try and get more run and carry from the back half.

Obviously we look alright when we keep the ball in our half of the ground like we did in the second quarter on Friday, but once that evens up a little we just don’t have the ball movement without the designated kickers to get it out of there. We have some runners but that would require a different game plan, one which has been so successful for us for a long period of time.

One thing the Kiddy injury highlights is whilst we thought we had a lot of HBFers on the list, only him and Rich previously could play that designated kicker role. I wonder if we’ll look to address that in the trade/draft period, so we don’t break down again if Kiddy gets injured when he returns.

We still got Fletcher. Got tank, can kick long and can run n carry. Just show the whole team what GWS are doing with Whitfield, tell them "now Fletcher will play this role for us in 2024 so you use him when he's running past you".

Our game plan involves limited wing use and we badly need a distributor in defense. Send Fletcher back and fill the other wing with Tumstill, Sharp, Prior, Ah Chee - take your pick.

 

[martinson]

FB: Starcevich, Andrews, Gardiner
HB: Wilmot, Lester, Ah Chee
C: Fletcher, Dunkley, McCluggage
HF: McCarthy, Daniher, Lohmann
FF: Bailey, Rayner, Cameron
FOL: Fort, Neale, Robertson
INT: Lyons, Zorko, Tunstill, Prior
SUB: Sharp

This lineup would beat North. Rayner can lead out of the goal square or make a contest, clunk his marks or bring the ball to ground. We could play a faster and more open forward line. Very hard for opponents to match up on.

OUT: Berry, Hipwood, McInerney, Payne, Answerth
IN: Lohmann, Tunstill, Prior, Gardiner, Lyons

You've gone the full read the riot act there 3KZ

One thing I do agree with is that this team would beat North.

And our 2's would also be guaranteed a good day.

 

[3KZ is Football]

You've gone the full read the riot act there 3KZ

One thing I do agree with is that this team would beat North.

And our 2's would also be guaranteed a good day.

It would give us some much needed speed and we could play Lyons as a pure mid with quick players around him. Opening up our forward line is important and I like the idea of Rayner on the lead at full forward.

Dunkley flies under the radar in terms of accountability, but he doesn’t do enough and Neale needs help.

 

[Mr Ripper]

Injured but our media interns haven't updated the website correctly

Publishing incomplete and/or vague injury lists is entrenched in club kulcha.

 

[martinson]

It would give us some much needed speed and we could play Lyons as a pure mid with quick players around him. Opening up our forward line is important and I like the idea of Rayner on the lead at full forward.

I'll take anyone on the lead who leads and doesn't drop it. Or leads so we can kick it to someone else who has space.

 

[3KZ is Football]

I'll take anyone on the lead who leads and doesn't drop it. Or leads so we can kick it to someone else who has space.

A leading Rayner brings Cameron into stronger calculations. Makes space in his wake.

 

[JasRulz63]

Tunstill's only played 5 Senior games , is 20 years old and starting to rack up good numbers in the 2's.

I think it's far too early to be writing him off as a Senior player.

He'll get better imo. Had a lot to learn when he got here.

I agree. His first year in an elite program was his draft year (unlike other draftees who were entrenched in elite programs from young), and he was driving 450km during that year to play games.

 

[martinson]

A leading Rayner brings Cameron into stronger calculations. Makes space in his wake.

I know Charlie's been kicking for goal like an amateur but teams seem able to shut him down to a degree of late.

Maybe he's just out of form and hopefully hasn't lost a yard.

 

[MSB ROYS]

Interesting to compare Chol and Hipwood. Both up and down but Chol often has a physical presence, while Hipwood rarely impacts physically. We miss a player like McStay and don't think we have someone like this on the list.

 

[3KZ is Football]

I know Charlie's been kicking for goal like an amateur but teams seem able to shut him down to a degree of late.

Maybe he's just out of form and hopefully hasn't lost a yard.

When he allows defenders to body him, he’s making himself vulnerable. He needs to be constantly moving, taking his man upfield and doubling back, getting front and square of the marking contest and leading into space himself. He actually needs to take a leaf out McCarthy’s book.

 

[3KZ is Football]

Interesting to compare Chol and Hipwood. Both up and down but Chol often has a physical presence, while Hipwood rarely impacts physically. We miss a player like McStay and don't think we have someone like this on the list.

I found myself watching Joel Armartey yesterday and thinking how he is a better mark and stronger presence up forward after 32 games than Hipwood is after 156.

 

[BRAB]

A much quicker side, with Lyons inclusion giving us the advantage of first hands on the ball at stoppages and tackling strength.

FB: Starcevich, Andrews, Gardiner
HB: Wilmot, Lester, Ah Chee
C: Fletcher, Dunkley, McCluggage
HF: McCarthy, Daniher, Lohmann
FF: Bailey, Rayner, Cameron
FOL: Fort, Neale, Robertson
INT: Lyons, Zorko, Tunstill, Prior
SUB: Sharp

This lineup would beat North. Rayner can lead out of the goal square or make a contest, clunk his marks or bring the ball to ground. We could play a faster and more open forward line. Very hard for opponents to match up on.

OUT: Berry, Hipwood, McInerney, Payne, Answerth (Lots off Gold Mulligan holders here)
IN: Lohmann, Tunstill, Prior, Gardiner, Lyons

If Fort needs to take a break at some point is that team a little short 3KZ?

 

[3KZ is Football]

If Fort needs to take a break at some point is that team a little short 3KZ?

Quick BRAB. Quick. Not short, just shorter. We need to get the mosquito fleet going.

When he needs a spell. Daniher to Ruck, Fort to goal square, Rayner to CHF.

 

[martinson]

I'm happy to join in to the get into Hipwood throng on his performance last week but if we're going to play 3 or even 2 1/2 talls he's the best we've got and he has played quite a few good games over the last couple of years.

I can't help but think he just seems a bit jaded from the pressure of playing CHF which is just about the hardest position on the ground and whilst I wouldn't put him in the backline maybe we could redefine his role somehow and change the way we're using him and giving it to him.

 

[MSB ROYS]

I found myself watching Joel Armartey yesterday and thinking how he is a better mark and stronger presence up forward after 32 games than Hipwood is after 156.

I'm not saying that Hipwood shouldn't be in the team, but that we need to have a better balanced team. McCarthy shouldn't be the strongest player in the forward line.

 

[3KZ is Football]

I'm happy to join in to the get into Hipwood throng on his performance last week but if we're going to play 3 or even 2 1/2 talls he's the best we've got and he has played quite a few good games over the last couple of years.

I can't help but think he just seems a bit jaded from the pressure of playing CHF which is just about the hardest position on the ground and whilst I wouldn't put him in the backline maybe we could redefine his role somehow and change the way we're using him and giving it to him.

Jaded by Round 3?

We need to be real, Fagan will never drop Hipwood.

 

[3KZ is Football]

I'm not saying that Hipwood shouldn't be in the team, but that we need to have a better balanced team. McCarthy shouldn't be the strongest player in the forward line.

McCarthy is in great form.

 

[dlanod]

I've often wondered if Hipwood is worth a stint on the wing. It's worked with similarly built forwards in the past. The problem is he's not that good a mark , well at least as a tall forward , and one area we're lacking in is marking targets on the wings.

He's fine on a lead where he can use his speed in a straight line to take an uncontested mark on a lead. I actually think he'd mark a half decent wing, because he'd be marking up against guys a lot smaller then him - he can run and he can outmark your average winger. The problem is that his field kicking is ok but not a massive weapon - it's a bit more up and under than you'd like entering the forward 50, but I wouldn't mind seeing it in action.

 

[Nathan Barley]

Last year hippy took the 2nd most marks on the lead after McKay and 4th most marks inside 50, Joe was 5th

 

[martinson]

He's fine on a lead where he can use his speed in a straight line to take an uncontested mark on a lead. I actually think he'd mark a half decent wing, because he'd be marking up against guys a lot smaller then him - he can run and he can outmark your average winger. The problem is that his field kicking is ok but not a massive weapon - it's a bit more up and under than you'd like entering the forward 50, but I wouldn't mind seeing it in action.

Yeah I like it.

Not only might it give him a new lease of life and more freedom but it could send the opposition into a tizz.

Sometimes trying things like this can give your team a spark that it's lacking.

 

[martinson]

Last year hippy took the 2nd most marks on the lead after McKay and 4th most marks inside 50, Joe was 5th

I think we temper that by the fact that we're getting it i/s 50 a lot and the others rarely seem to lead. But that's his best weapon imo, very hard to get around or spoil if he gets a break on the lead.

 

[Section 5]

A much quicker side, with Lyons inclusion giving us the advantage of first hands on the ball at stoppages and tackling strength.

FB: Starcevich, Andrews, Gardiner
HB: Wilmot, Lester, Ah Chee
C: Fletcher, Dunkley, McCluggage
HF: McCarthy, Daniher, Lohmann
FF: Bailey, Rayner, Cameron
FOL: Fort, Neale, Robertson
INT: Lyons, Zorko, Tunstill, Prior
SUB: Sharp

This lineup would beat North. Rayner can lead out of the goal square or make a contest, clunk his marks or bring the ball to ground. We could play a faster and more open forward line. Very hard for opponents to match up on.

OUT: Berry, Hipwood, McInerney, Payne, Answerth (Lots off Gold Mulligan holders here)
IN: Lohmann, Tunstill, Prior, Gardiner, Lyons

That lineup would also beat WCE, so does not say all that much.

Just what did Fort do last week to keep Oscar out.
Dev Robertson should be dropped on form. Hardly sighted in his 2 games and fumble city in his last. Rightly subbed off.
He needs to find touch again in the VFL.
Lyons only gets his disposals & tackles around stoppages, so most posters correct in he only comes in if Neale or Dunkley out.
A liability around the ground when some pressure needed on the opposition ball carriers.

Prior over Answerth i can handle, but not much difference in who plays that position.
Ah Chee at HB i could also handle but he made it clear to Fagan he preferred fwd/wing and he does a reasonable job in that role.
Gardiner over Payne. On last years form and a couple of games this year i still prefer Payne. They have both been below their best.

Berry: Played in defense the first 2 games why i don't know so that is on Fagan.
Back to his best position and he was good against quality Pie wingers.
20 Disposals (lions 6th most) 18 being effective @ 90%, 6 marks (most was 7), 5 tackles (most was 6) 5 rebound 50's (the most).

Hippy, everyone in Australia that follows AFL has said he had a shocker.
Kicked 3 goals the week before but also did not play all that well.
Still would not drop the guy when he needs a bit of a confidence boost which should come this week.
I am happy to see Tunstill again but that would be over Dev who you also have in the side.

Sharp Sub: The running machine Sharp.
Because of his running ability he should be dominating the wing position possession wise in the VFL, but he is just a very solid player at that level.