Changes vs Essendon (Team in OP. Wells, Phillips & Cox in; Blair, White & Smith out)

[DaicosianMarvels]

Sidebottom an elite kick?? Please!! I love the guy and he won't get dropped nor do I want him to but he is one of the biggest front runners at the club.

How many guys do we have that can lift us when we need them to? Not many I can think of Pendles, Elliot (When fit), Treloar if he plays like he did last round v Hawks and doesn't try to do too much, Howe (don't need to say much here but god bless the guy, I feel so bad with the lack of support he is getting) and people can hate him all they want but Goldsack is the other. He doesn't give up and gives it his all no matter what the score is.

The rest are all front runners and shocking ball users at the club.

I am sick of Treloar trying to get past 6 opponents when he doesn't need to do it. No one puts more pressure on Collingwood than Collingwood.

The ball is in the backline, let's start hand balling it 20 times in a 5 m radius until some one gets done for holding the ball or someone decides to switch it accross goals and there is an intercept mark.

Any danger of lowering your heads when going forward and not just bombing it in there?!! (Treloar and Adams). Oh and another thing, how about if Blair buys himself another spot in the team, maybe don't kick it to him when he has two opposition players next to him.

On Smith, Blair and Crisp, I should listen to what my mother tought me growing up. "Don't say something you might regret while you are mad" but I won't and I will say exactly what I think.

Those three guys disgraced themselves as footballers. I have only said that twice about Collingwood players. Leigh Brown's only two touches in Round 8 against the Blues in 2009 when we got pumped and Jordan Russell a few years ago. I didn't even go that far to bag Anthony Corrie or Simon Buckey.

I don't care about the goal Crisp kicked. Everything else he touched turned to crap, his second efforts were non existent. There was zero effort. He needs to reassess his values as a footballer or feel some shame and drop himself. That was the most meaningless performance I have ever seen from a Collingwood player. At least if you don't touch the footy you aren't giving it to the other team. He should have sung the StKilda song with their players after the game because he really did well in gettig them back in the game.

Smith is just no good. Not his fault, he is just useless. Not an AFL player. Jaxon Barham shouldn't have played a game neither should've Smith.

Blair is a pathetic footballer. When he plays we are already one man down. Looked ok when he played in a well coached and great team now he can't even do much at VFL level and he still gets promoted after a poor VFL game. Work that out!

Full team to pick from and they are in our best 22. They wouldn't get a game at any other club in the AFL even at the Blues.

What does Buckley say again after all that? "We lowered our colours today"! I don't know if I should laugh or cry anymore. Probably laugh because it's the same s**t at the end of the day. I might start caring more if the club started to care about winning/on field success rather than telling me every year has been a success due the revenue they have made.

Nothing but a boys club/ business organisation these days. It's a disgrace!

 

[swoop42]

Out:Moore
In: Dunn

Out:Blair
In: Daicos

Out:Smith
In:Scharenberg

Out:Crisp
In:Wells

Dunn or Reid to play forward.

Varcoe to half back.

Maynard to half forward/midfield.

 

[BringouttheGimp]

In: Borthwick
Out: Pendlebury

 

[PieNSauce]

For me, Dunn has to come in and release Reid to the forward line. After watching the VFL, he's about the only one we could use that way and I reckon he's worth a go. Aside from that, the obvious in is Wells as long as he pulled up ok. The only other thing I would do is give DeGoey another good swift kick up the ass for what he did. Not because it will do him any good but it will help my frustration levels.

 

[10571z]

For me, Dunn has to come in and release Reid to the forward line. After watching the VFL, he's about the only one we could use that way and I reckon he's worth a go. Aside from that, the obvious in is Wells as long as he pulled up ok. The only other thing I would do is give DeGoey another good swift kick up the ass for what he did. Not because it will do him any good but it will help my frustration levels.

Agreed. Should have been tried weeks ago. Our first quarters we could be 30/40 points up Over the last 2 weeks if we scored

 

[magpies2013]

Out-blair, white, ramsay, smith.
In-phillips, berg, wells, cox.

 

[magpies2013]

Unfortunately I can't see Smith or Ramsay being dropped they are bucks favorites doesn't matter how crap they are.

 

[Scodog10]

Out: Blair
In: Phillips

The only player that did enough at VFL level to earn a call up was JDG and he obviously can't come in and Phillips should never have gone out. Anyone who thinks both Aish and Phillips were 'ill' in the first month on the eve of the match have rocks in their head when you see who the replacements were. They were structural changes because the coaching group wanted two 'pressure forwards' in the line up.

Mass changes is just shuffling deck chairs on the Titanic when the way we play is so atrocious. For mine either we move away from the frontal pressure game style or we hope that Essendon aren't 'on' this week. It's also the worst possible week for a 9 day break the players will likely play this over in their head before the game approaches and come out flat again...

 

[Dead Eye Didak]

I just watched a replay of the game and there were a lot worse than Crisp out there.His disposal was poor at times but he had a lot of mates doing the same thing.Pendles was not sighted as much as usual..Adam's disposal was shite again,even Treleor was poor yesterday.
Wouldn't be rushing too many VFL playes in.They played a no name team on Saturday and just scraped in after a very good start.
I do think Bucks should go...I hope they are searching for a replacement already'
The joys of the graveyard shift,watching us rollover again...sucker for punishment here

Thats because for some insane reason, Pendles was sat on the bench for 14 mins in the 3rd quarter when the game was on the line. Not injured, but needed to be rested according to the sports scientists. Do you think Chris Scott would have Dangerfield or Selwood sitting on the bench for half a quarter with the game in the balance?....I dont think so, but Buckley did to our Captain and best player. Unbelieveable, and l hope this week he is absolutely criticised for that stupidity.

 

[doodles98]

Out : Moore, Maynard, Smith
In: Dunn, Wells, Mayne

Reid to FF.
Wells hbf

 

[GreekLunatic]

I bet blair doesn't get dropped . I reckon daics will make his debut against the blues

 

[Countrypie]

I don't know if Reid is physically capable of playing fwd any more. If he is then he must go fwd in place of white who demonstrated clearly that he is incapable of playing as a kpf. Third tall yes. But tals srem to make us slower.
If Reid is no longer capable of playing forward its a straight swap white for cox.

Players who must be dropped. Blair Crisp
Players who are under the pump white or Moore ramsay smith
Players who need to lift varcoe greenwood broomhead fasolo.
Players who will be better for the run. Billy

Ins cox or dunn depending on reids capabilty
Wells
Phillips
Shaz maybe

We need players who can kick wells and shaz fit the bill

 

[Smoky]

Out: Moore, White, Ramsey, Smith, Crisp, Elliott (not ready)
In: Cox, Dunn, Daicos, Phillips, Wells, Sharenberg

FB: Shade, Dunn, Goldsack
HB: Howe, Berg, Maynard
C: Sidey, Pendles, Wells
HF: WHE, Reid, Varcoe
FF: Daicos, Cox, Fasolo

R: Grundy, Treloar, Adams

Int: Blair, Greenwood, Phillips, Broomhead

 

[frizzle]

Out: Blair
In: Phillips

The only player that did enough at VFL level to earn a call up was JDG and he obviously can't come in and Phillips should never have gone out. Anyone who thinks both Aish and Phillips were 'ill' in the first month on the eve of the match have rocks in their head when you see who the replacements were. They were structural changes because the coaching group wanted two 'pressure forwards' in the line up.

Mass changes is just shuffling deck chairs on the Titanic when the way we play is so atrocious. For mine either we move away from the frontal pressure game style or we hope that Essendon aren't 'on' this week. It's also the worst possible week for a 9 day break the players will likely play this over in their head before the game approaches and come out flat again...

Agree 100%
Changes will make virtually no difference, so don't throw the baby out with the bath water.
This game plan can render any forward virtually redundant.
We allow spare defenders to continually clog our forward space & give them a numbers advantage.
We instead use our spare in the midfield which is not doing anything.
Our backs push up so high that we get torched on the turnover & there is nobody back as a failsafe when that happens.
In fact we all push up so high that we clog our own forward line.
It's a horrible game plan to watch & lends itself to low scoring & invariably fatigue.

We seem to continually start pretty well & drop off after quarter time. Occasionally we hang on but mostly we get ran over. Even the same thing happened in the VFL on Saturday. It was almost an exact replica of our Sydney game last week.

Forget about mass player changes. Just dump the infuriating game plan or dump the coach who enforces it or both.

 

[BuildEmUp]

J

You're kidding
Wells is a trelour who can kick we are putrid at present and Wells six kicks are worth 15 of Adams and trelour
He creates play
I can't believe how obvious the spuds are
In order
1.smith average 1.6 goals agints a game panic panic
2.ramsey wow what a squib no confidence needs reserves
3.moore wOW needs a reality check
4. Crisp
5 Blair
Sidney weak as I weeks reprieve stick a tackle son
A
Next week
Dunn Howe varcoe
Shaz shade godly
Wells Maynard white
Daicos Elliot Crocker
Fasolo cox Sidney
Grundy greenwood wills
Pendles trelour broomy Phillips
Ask yourself how soft apart from grundy Howe
We are very bad

 

[BuildEmUp]

J

You're kidding
Wells is a trelour who can kick we are putrid at present and Wells six kicks are worth 15 of Adams and trelour
He creates play
I can't believe how obvious the spuds are
In order
1.smith average 1.6 goals agints a game panic panic
2.ramsey wow what a squib no confidence needs reserves
3.moore wOW needs a reality check
4. Crisp
5 Blair
Sidney weak as I weeks reprieve stick a tackle son
A
Next week
Dunn Howe varcoe
Shaz shade godly
Wells Maynard white
Daicos Elliot Crocker
Fasolo cox Sidney
Grundy greenwood wills
Pendles trelour broomy Phillips
Ask yourself how soft apart from grundy Howe
We are very bad

Seriously deluded drunken post?

Reid soft? He was one the of reasons Pies were in the game at any stage...

 

[BuildEmUp]

Out: Moore, White, Ramsey, Smith, Crisp, Elliott (not ready)
In: Cox, Dunn, Daicos, Phillips, Wells, Sharenberg

FB: Shade, Dunn, Goldsack
HB: Howe, Berg, Maynard
C: Sidey, Pendles, Wells
HF: WHE, Reid, Varcoe
FF: Daicos, Cox, Fasolo

R: Grundy, Treloar, Adams

Int: Blair, Greenwood, Phillips, Broomhead

How does Adams get in ?? he gets 30 totally useless possessions each week and everyone talks him up - he turned over to 20 metre kicks that rebounded for Saints goals yesterday and nobody say boo. The spud is on overrated - cant do two of the essential things required for AFL, Kick and Handpass .. a spud -

 

[Tippa#22]

How does Adams get in ?? he gets 30 totally useless possessions each week and everyone talks him up - he turned over to 20 metre kicks that rebounded for Saints goals yesterday and nobody say boo. The spud is on overrated - cant do two of the essential things required for AFL, Kick and Handpass .. a spud -

Did you go to the game? In my opinion adams is our best midfielder, he's the only one who consistently runs both ways and tackles each and every week. Notice when the bigger named players in treloar, Pendlebury and Sidebottom gets criticised after the tigers game for one way running so they make a point and go out and lay double digit tackles each the next week against Sydney to prove a point but straight back to there old ways the next week. Sick of em picking and choosing when to have a crack, whereas Adams goes 100% week in week out and would be top 3 in b&f after the first month along with grundy and Reid in no particular order.

 

[doodles98]

Did you go to the game? In my opinion adams is our best midfielder, he's the only one who consistently runs both ways and tackles each and every week. Notice when the bigger named players in treloar, Pendlebury and Sidebottom gets criticised after the tigers game for one way running so they make a point and go out and lay double digit tackles each the next week against Sydney to prove a point but straight back to there old ways the next week. Sick of em picking and choosing when to have a crack, whereas Adams goes 100% week in week out and would be top 3 in b&f after the first month along with grundy and Reid in no particular order.

No question Adams is a gun in all respects... Except kicking. At kicking he is actually atrocious and is not even country footy standard. Kicking is a huge part of the game obviously and when you have a mid who gets it as often as Adams does and then turns it over as often as he does every game... You have a major issue. There's no hiding from that.

 

[CFC2010]

Out: Blair
In: Phillips

The only player that did enough at VFL level to earn a call up was JDG and he obviously can't come in and Phillips should never have gone out. Anyone who thinks both Aish and Phillips were 'ill' in the first month on the eve of the match have rocks in their head when you see who the replacements were. They were structural changes because the coaching group wanted two 'pressure forwards' in the line up.

Mass changes is just shuffling deck chairs on the Titanic when the way we play is so atrocious. For mine either we move away from the frontal pressure game style or we hope that Essendon aren't 'on' this week. It's also the worst possible week for a 9 day break the players will likely play this over in their head before the game approaches and come out flat again...

If the bolded part is true Sco then let the f....g Titanic sink.

NFI is being generous when it came to our coaching display yesterday.

Did he even make a move? Oh that's right Pendles was on the bench for 14 minutes in the third

 

[BPikkers]

Maynard should be tried further up the ground.

I'm very concerned that Buckley is one dimensional. I love the guy, however, sometimes we just need a spark and he doesn't seem to do much to find it.

Give Moore some time at CHB. Who knows, it may well be his role. Or throw him in the ruck and let him ruck rove around the ground. He doesn't need to actually ruck around the ground.

We need to kick goals. We are either moving it too slowly forward and making it difficult for the forwards or the forward line just isn't functioning as it should.

Give Reid a go there. Doesn't need to be permanent, but it just changes things up a bit. Who knows we may even uncover a structure and game plan. If we think we have the mids to get in top of clearanc s, it becomes more important to kick goals than to necessarily defend them. If we had a speedster tackling machine up forward, we don't need as strong a backline as we will have time to get back.

Very disappointing game. I just can't see us moving forward the way things are at the moment. Something needs to change. Bucks can be disappointed in the players, however, he almost has a full list to choose (or will have with game fitness over the next couple of weeks). It's then no excuses IMO. It may be the players. But it may be that Buck's style of teaching/coaching is actually the reason why the players aren't improving as a group.

 

[mattys123]

Did you go to the game? In my opinion adams is our best midfielder, he's the only one who consistently runs both ways and tackles each and every week. Notice when the bigger named players in treloar, Pendlebury and Sidebottom gets criticised after the tigers game for one way running so they make a point and go out and lay double digit tackles each the next week against Sydney to prove a point but straight back to there old ways the next week. Sick of em picking and choosing when to have a crack, whereas Adams goes 100% week in week out and would be top 3 in b&f after the first month along with grundy and Reid in no particular order.

The problem with Adams is obviously his field kicking after taking a mark. Most of the time when he's kicking out of a pack or a pressure situation he just puts the ball on his boot and kicks to a contest down the ground.

But when he takes a mark, and has to think about it, he makes the wrong choice a lot.

I compare Tay to Paul Licuiria, a great two way player who had plenty of skill limitations himself.

What Malthouse did with Licca though was to simplify his game, basically if he got the ball he was to kick it long to a contest.

That should go for Tay too. Adams is our best two way midfielder, he's a leader both on and off field but he has to know his limitations, and that's where the coaching staff (not just Buckley, the whole staff) have to be able to manage players to play within their skill limitations.

Kick the ball long most times, that's what Tay should do. I know it's not the modern game but he's simply not a good enough kick, be in mentally or the actual skill, to execute accurate short passes on a consistent basis.

Tay is actually a great example of what's wrong with Collingwood at the moment. We aren't individually managing our players to achieve their optimal outcome, that's clear to see.

 

[jmac70]

Maynard should be tried further up the ground.

I'm very concerned that Buckley is one dimensional. I love the guy, however, sometimes we just need a spark and he doesn't seem to do much to find it.

Give Moore some time at CHB. Who knows, it may well be his role. Or throw him in the ruck and let him ruck rove around the ground. He doesn't need to actually ruck around the ground.

We need to kick goals. We are either moving it too slowly forward and making it difficult for the forwards or the forward line just isn't functioning as it should.

Give Reid a go there. Doesn't need to be permanent, but it just changes things up a bit. Who knows we may even uncover a structure and game plan. If we think we have the mids to get in top of clearanc s, it becomes more important to kick goals than to necessarily defend them. If we had a speedster tackling machine up forward, we don't need as strong a backline as we will have time to get back.

Very disappointing game. I just can't see us moving forward the way things are at the moment. Something needs to change. Bucks can be disappointed in the players, however, he almost has a full list to choose (or will have with game fitness over the next couple of weeks). It's then no excuses IMO. It may be the players. But it may be that Buck's style of teaching/coaching is actually the reason why the players aren't improving as a group.

The kicking for goal in that first quarter really deflated the team. Nail those shots and confidence grows. That third quarter was horrific from both a playing and coaching perspective.

 

[deano_66]

How is everyone calling for Moore yes he gas been poor but with cox and mayne being dropped where is his help. I was saying all gane yesterday buckley had to make the change and swing reid up forward our defense wouldve coped without him there especially late in the game when we were still in it. Roberton played loose all game 32 disposals and 13 marks u would think somebody would go to him surely. Blair and Crisp were atrocious, especially crisp i actually rate him as a player but how many times can you turn it over. The one in the back pocket he kicked it straight to a st kilda player for a goal. Changes should be next week blair, crisp, smith and. Wells, daicos, dunn in. Put Dunn in defense and swing reid up forward and give moore some bloody help. It is so frustrating to watch for the poor kid. Every team play a loose down back because there is no danger. Sure jesse white is playing decent footy but he is never going to make the loose defender go to him or kick 5 or 6.

 

[BEEG]

The sad part is we are finally getting a decent run with injuries, Injuries were always the big excuse from most on this board, I always knew we were rubbish regardless.