Changes vs Lions - Schaz & Broomy in for Aish & Schade

[CFC2010]

Be really nice when we return to compete for the big prize in football.

You may know but there was a horse called Carringbush who ran in the 1982 Melbourne Cup and came 19th I believe.
Ofcourse Carringbush was a name for our team but totally made up name for the book Power Without Glory by Thomas Hardy.

The big prize is what it is all about Saintly.............to be honest I miss going to finals.

 

[Saintly Viewed]

The big prize is what it is all about Saintly.............to be honest I miss going to finals.

Yep, all about winning the big dance CFC2010.
Things turn, it's the natural order of things

 

[DuckToaster]

Yep, all about winning the big dance CFC2010.
Things turn, it's the natural order of things

Sidebottom loves a big dance. In other news, photo shopping the football out of media shots is my new hobby.

 

[robertg22]

Oh I forgot, the number of possessions means everything in football.

Silly me.

The fact that he'd been dropped already supports my argument as it is, the fact that he's actually only had 1, yep...1 game where he's amassed more than 20 possessions doesn't mean he's arrived at AFL level.

Happy to see Broomy in. Hope he actually gets some time around HBF because I think he could be useful down there.

 

[PIEWITHSAUCE]

Be really nice when we return to compete for the big prize in football.

You may know but there was a horse called Carringbush who ran in the 1982 Melbourne Cup and came 19th I believe.

And in 9th was

 

[Apex36]

Sidebottom loves a big dance. In other news, photo shopping the football out of media shots is my new hobby.

Rofl that's awesome

 

[MagpieBat]

Rofl that's awesome

#secretshuffler

Reminds me of a meme that did the rounds on Nick's after we won the flag. It became a running gag of sorts to Photoshop Nick Riewoldt (the side-on angle immediately after Shaw makes the smother, with St Nick flailing arms akimbo, knee bent) into all sorts of funny situations. We had Rooey at the local skate park, Rooey at the line-dancing, Rooey on water-skis, Rooey at Christ the Redeemer!

Ah, you had to be there. Good times...

 

[Vicky Park]

Sidebottom loves a big dance. In other news, photo shopping the football out of media shots is my new hobby.

After causing a BF meltdown for toasting ducks?

 

[Saintly Viewed]

And in 9th was

Ba ha ha ha ha

 

[PieNSauce]

Watched the replay and Aish looked terrible before his injury. Wouldve lost his place anyway. Coughed it up and looked slow.

Just dumb-founding to see someone like Smith look so much more composed and classy than Aish after 3 years in the system. Think we'll try and package he and Broomhead together for Adelaide, to try and land Lever.

Schade was outmarked by smaller opponents twice in the goal-square, leading to goals, and Blair is again lucky to keep his spot after AGAIN presenting as a key target in the F50, and AGAIN getting nowhere near near it. Wasn't as bad as in previous weeks, but Buckley obv rewards desire heavily, b/c his skills, pace and body shape just aren't up to it.

Grundy also needs to learn how to palm to his teammates. If he did this, he'd be a gun. Won so many taps, only to put it down a hawks player's throat.

Greenwood should play as a tagger every week, b/c he looks a bit lost otherwise, but since Roos and others keep telling Bucks to do it, he won't... to hear him say that Mitchell didnt hurt us that much was nonsensical. We're just lucky he didnt have a fit Cyril and Omeara to help punish us.

Reid & Varcoe into this side in place of Blair & Goldy, plus a big lift from De Goey & Faz, and Maynard further up the ground, and we might win a few more games. Still not good enough for a Top 8 spot though, so will be interesting to see what happens with Bucks...

I tend to agree with your comments on Aish. I am confident he has what it takes to go to the next level but right now he's not quite there.

On Blair, I said after the Essendon game that the most obvious issue we had was fear of failure which quickly translates into an unwillingness to take the game on or pull the trigger when the opportunity comes. I'd suggest fairly strongly that on top of desire indicators, although Blair occasionally stuffs it up or gets caught, he probably makes the cut because he's shown consistent willingness to take the game on. Last week I saw a couple of occasions where he probably could have handed the ball off a bit earlier instead of taking on opponents but generally I thought he was pretty good and probably inspired a few others to take it on.

I couldn't disagree more about Mitchell's influence except to some degree in the first quarter. Other than that, even the commentators noted that he was doing us no damage whatsoever and I totally agree with that sentiment.

As far as I'm concerned, if you were to drop Goldy and Blair (who I consider to be showing a few others the way right now in terms of desire) while at the same time De Goey and Fasolo are not producing much I'd suggest you might be tearing away whatever dare you might have had. I'm not suggesting you shouldn't persist with De Goey or Fasolo because we all know what they're capable of but until they start producing it you'd be taking a huge risk IMO.

 

[Cousin of Daicos]

So do you just lack basic comprehension or do you need to make up shoit to try and give yourself relevance?

Happy for you to show me where I've suggested 20+ possessions every game this year. Happy for you to show me where I've suggested he's arrived.

You used your own quote in a wall of quotes to suggest exactly that.

Go back and read your own quote. At the VERY least, you suggested multiple 20 plus possession games as an indicator of good AFL form.

He had one. But in th end, possessions aren't the be all and end all. Especially when our own eyes are generally a good indicator of whether a player played well.

I mean, we all remebmer the 53 possession game from Ablett in 2012 don't we?

In the end, Broomhead, thus far, isn't coming along quite as he should by now. I'm not calling him a lost cause, he clearly has talent, but for whatever reason, he's taking longer than he should to establish himself.

 

[loki04]

Mitchell is 2nd in the AFL for assisted meters gained. ie he is 2nd in his role at feeding his teammates gaining meters for his team. He also had over 30 pressure acts and 8 tackles in his 50 disp game. To say he was not influential is taking the piss.

If we had lost (liked looked on the cards after the first half where Mitchell got 30/50 disposals) every man and his dog would be talking about how we didn't tag Mitchell.

 

[pablo disco bar]

So mason cox wont play any competitive football for 3 weeks!!?? Clap clap collingwood

 

[Timmy from Thomastown]

So mason cox wont play any competitive football for 3 weeks!!?? Clap clap collingwood

Somebody had to sit out last week. and the VFL bye this week is not Collingwoods fault

 

[Quicky]

You used your own quote in a wall of quotes to suggest exactly that.

Go back and read your own quote. At the VERY least, you suggested multiple 20 plus possession games as an indicator of good AFL form.

He had one. But in th end, possessions aren't the be all and end all. Especially when our own eyes are generally a good indicator of whether a player played well.

I mean, we all remebmer the 53 possession game from Ablett in 2012 don't we?

In the end, Broomhead, thus far, isn't coming along quite as he should by now. I'm not calling him a lost cause, he clearly has talent, but for whatever reason, he's taking longer than he should to establish himself.

Yeah a loss of development through injuries. That one isn't hard to see.

 

[Finnishpie]

Watched the replay and Aish looked terrible before his injury. Wouldve lost his place anyway. Coughed it up and looked slow.

Just dumb-founding to see someone like Smith look so much more composed and classy than Aish after 3 years in the system. Think we'll try and package he and Broomhead together for Adelaide, to try and land Lever.

Schade was outmarked by smaller opponents twice in the goal-square, leading to goals, and Blair is again lucky to keep his spot after AGAIN presenting as a key target in the F50, and AGAIN getting nowhere near near it. Wasn't as bad as in previous weeks, but Buckley obv rewards desire heavily, b/c his skills, pace and body shape just aren't up to it.

Grundy also needs to learn how to palm to his teammates. If he did this, he'd be a gun. Won so many taps, only to put it down a hawks player's throat.

Greenwood should play as a tagger every week, b/c he looks a bit lost otherwise, but since Roos and others keep telling Bucks to do it, he won't... to hear him say that Mitchell didnt hurt us that much was nonsensical. We're just lucky he didnt have a fit Cyril and Omeara to help punish us.

Reid & Varcoe into this side in place of Blair & Goldy, plus a big lift from De Goey & Faz, and Maynard further up the ground, and we might win a few more games. Still not good enough for a Top 8 spot though, so will be interesting to see what happens with Bucks...

I didn't think Aish was terrible, but not good either. There were several times in the first quarter and a bit where Aish was around the centre and was the best option but was ignored for "robotic" ball movement (I'm looking at you Crisp). I think he'll still develop into a good footballer, but not the star a pick 6 should really be. Agree otherwise, though I think we're good enough for spots 6-8. The honourable losses really hurt us though, especially GWS, so I can't see us getting in.

 

[pablo disco bar]

Somebody had to sit out last week. and the VFL bye this week is not Collingwoods fault

Could of played half a vfl game last week with it being across the road and no injury worries

 

[Timmy from Thomastown]

Could of played half a vfl game last week with it being across the road and no injury worries

On the bright side Joe Biden isnt Vice President any more

 

[Scodog10]

Yeah a loss of development through injuries. That one isn't hard to see.

I wouldn't have selected him this week, but that's the key for him over the next 6 months. He needed a rest post the Carlton match so I'm keen to see how he slots back in after a bit of a break.

The only knock I have is his newfound propensity to handball. He's a kicker all day long and one of the most skilled ball users on our list yet his first instinct is now to handball. I have a hunch that it's a coaching directive and I disagree with it, but I'm pleased that the club are percervering with him in the senior team!

We won't reap the rewards of investing time into him until next year because he was Wellsesque behind when he first returned for 2017. IMO, it's best to wait until 2018 after he has another pre-season under his belt before I pass judgment.

 

[Quicky]

I wouldn't have selected him this week, but that's the key for him over the next 6 months. He needed a rest post the Carlton match so I'm keen to see how he slots back in after a bit of a break.

The only knock I have is his newfound propensity to handball. He's a kicker all day long and one of the most skilled ball users on our list yet his first instinct is now to handball. I have a hunch that it's a coaching directive and I disagree with it, but I'm pleased that the club are percervering with him in the senior team!

We won't reap the rewards of investing time into him until next year because he was Wellsesque behind when he first returned for 2017. IMO, it's best to wait until 2018 after he has another pre-season under his belt before I pass judgment.

It's definitely a coaching directive. Every training report is "...the midfield focussed on moving the ball through traffic with quick handballs...". For me it sets us up for failure because we over possess and lose the ball under pressure. That and our runners don't get enough width from the player in possession.

 

[jackcass]

You used your own quote in a wall of quotes to suggest exactly that.

Go back and read your own quote. At the VERY least, you suggested multiple 20 plus possession games as an indicator of good AFL form.

He had one. But in th end, possessions aren't the be all and end all. Especially when our own eyes are generally a good indicator of whether a player played well.

I mean, we all remebmer the 53 possession game from Ablett in 2012 don't we?

In the end, Broomhead, thus far, isn't coming along quite as he should by now. I'm not calling him a lost cause, he clearly has talent, but for whatever reason, he's taking longer than he should to establish himself.

Re-read what I posted. Might take multiple re-reads for you to actually grasp it rather than post here about what you think I wrote.

 

[Scodog10]

It's definitely a coaching directive. Every training report is "...the midfield focussed on moving the ball through traffic with quick handballs...". For me it sets us up for failure because we over possess and lose the ball under pressure. That and our runners don't get enough width from the player in possession.

Agree 100% I would just add that we also commit to many numbers to the contest. He needs to be one of those runners, IMO, but what would I know compared to the powers that be. They have us absolutely humming along

It's why I'm wrapt to see Scharenberg return. Forget his story, forget his draft number and forget his role. His game sense and IQ is that far ahead of most of our players it isn't funny. I saw some earlier comments about his inclusion leading to more over commitment in D50 marking contests and I couldn't disagree more! The guy knows when to go and when not to go.

Let's take Goldsack and Schade whose desire indicators are great, but what's the point of being go go go if it hurts you when you don't impact the contest?! I chuckle when I read comments about Scharenberg hanging back. He doesn't do it to shy away from contact or because he lacks intensity. When it's his turn he'll go and if he doesn't he'll be his own biggest critic! He does it because not only is he thinking about this contest, but also the next and the one following that. It's the number one limitation in the games of a few of our defenders. They have no game sense at the higher level!

 

[soreplums]

It's definitely a coaching directive. Every training report is "...the midfield focussed on moving the ball through traffic with quick handballs...". For me it sets us up for failure because we over possess and lose the ball under pressure. That and our runners don't get enough width from the player in possession.

I think over handball comes from a lack of decision making- ie who to handball to and when to kick.

Footy's generally played this way these days- handball out of trouble to someone into space so you can break away and attack. Our problem is olthat our players decide to handball to players not expecting it, who are too close, to teammates under pressure and one more time too many.

 

[Cousin of Daicos]

Re-read what I posted. Might take multiple re-reads for you to actually grasp it rather than post here about what you think I wrote.

Ugh....here we go

Now you're just showing your ignorance. He's had 5-6 games at senior level where he's accumulated 20+ possessions playing predominantly as a small forward with occasional midfield rotations. It seems your issue rather than his.

He's only played 6 games. You're literally saying he's accumulated 20 plus in every game he played. Even if you didn't know it.

 

[Apex36]

Ugh....here we go



He's only played 6 games. You're literally saying he's accumulated 20 plus in every game he played. Even if you didn't know it.

I'm not one to generally stick up for Jackcass, but that's not even close to what he said. You need to go back and have a re-read.