Charlie Curnow - The Return!

[Crippa#9]

Russell hinting next few weeks. Very much doubt this weekend. This thread went too early.

read the post mate. never said he was definitely playing this week. The thread was started simply as as a 'Charlie watch' given his return is imminent.

 

[Cripps 'n' Blue Bloods]

It just seems to go against industry standard and there's usually a very good reason for the industry standard. There's a big difference between VFL and AFL. The speed, the physicality, the demands on the body. Doc played round 1 after a 2 year lay-off, but he had the benefit of a proper preseason and playing 80% game time in two Marsh series preseason games, which don't always have full strength squads or the same intensity.
Clubs don't use the medical sub to rest a player halfway through a seniors game because they aren't quite up for it yet. It just doesn't happen. That's what the VFL is for. What happens if you then get a proper injury after you've rested Charlie? You put extra stress on the remaining players and lose a bench rotation. Yes, that's a risk in any given game where you might end up with more than one injury, but why deliberately put yourself in that position?

What happens if we sneak a win against Cats and keep our slim finals hopes alive? We play Charlie against Pies, the game is a bit tighter than we would have hoped, but we're still a big chance to win. Everyone wants to keep the momentum rolling and get 4 in a row. The intensity of the game is picking up, players are getting fatigued, especially Charlie off the back of half a VFL game. Do you risk keeping him in to get the win, or do you potentially sacrifice the win to put him on ice? A few 'what-ifs' but you have to consider the variables.

The comments from the club make it sound like he's more likely to play next week rather than this week, but if I was looking ahead and planning his AFL return, if he's that close and effectively ready to play now, I'd look at getting him a half in the VFL this week (or 60-75% if they feel he's travelling alright), play a full VFL game the following week (which is the only way you can really deem if he's 'four quarter fit' - you simply can't say he's 4 qrt fit after 2 qrtrs of a VFL game), then unleash him against North. That way, if it takes him a little longer to get 4 quarter fit, or an extra game to get some touch and form back (we can't assume he'll just be in good enough form to come straight back in, even after 6 quarters of VFL), he gets a second full VFL game and comes in vs Saints.

Well the bye this week really ruined that theory!

 

[The Fantom]

Well the bye this week really ruined that theory!

Yeh that’s disappointing… hopefully there’s a scratch match arranged.

 

[1981]

Why?

Won't be this weekend. We have a bye.

Thread is fine!

He isn't playing this weekend.
Next week would have been more appropriate.

 

[Aphrodite]

He isn't playing this weekend.
Next week would have been more appropriate.

I did mention we have a bye this weekend.

What is your point.

 

[1981]

read the post mate. never said he was definitely playing this week. The thread was started simply as as a 'Charlie watch' given his return is imminent.

By that rationale the thread could have gone up weeks ago as its been telecast that he was in fine fettle on the track and by all accounts could have been playing VFL weeks back.

Can we have another thread next week given he is likely due to play next week? That would be more current news.

 

[Aphrodite]

By that rationale the thread could have gone up weeks ago as its been telecast that he was in fine fettle on the track and by all accounts could have been playing VFL weeks back.

Can we have another thread next week given he is likely due to play next week? That would be more current news.

There is no problem with this thread - Charlie Curnow - The Return!

read the post mate. never said he was definitely playing this week. The thread was started simply as as a 'Charlie watch' given his return is imminent.

Can we have another thread next week given he is likely due to play next week? That would be more current news.

This thread is fine.


Give it a rest.

 

[Juddalenko]

Geez. Some people sweating the small stuff in this thread! Looking forward to seeing him return. What a wonderful story it is, and I wish him success and an injury-free future.

 

[teagueyubeauty]

4 weeks absolute minimum in the VFL then only brought back into 1’s based on form.
I simply do not care about his talent/ability when up and going, all I care about is when he does come back in that he is given close to an even chance of contributing at a reasonable level and not leaving us effectively one man down for most of the second half.
His confidence in his body would be shot, he needs to rebuild that confidence before he starts to give 100% confidence in doing what he does best. That will take time.


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[therubbernub]

4 weeks absolute minimum in the VFL then only brought back into 1’s based on form.
I simply do not care about his talent/ability when up and going, all I care about is when he does come back in that he is given close to an even chance of contributing at a reasonable level and not leaving us effectively one man down for most of the second half.
His confidence in his body would be shot, he needs to rebuild that confidence before he starts to give 100% confidence in doing what he does best. That will take time.


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What if Charlie comes back and kicks 8 goals in the reserves?


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[Ash24]

4 weeks absolute minimum in the VFL then only brought back into 1’s based on form.
I simply do not care about his talent/ability when up and going, all I care about is when he does come back in that he is given close to an even chance of contributing at a reasonable level and not leaving us effectively one man down for most of the second half.
His confidence in his body would be shot, he needs to rebuild that confidence before he starts to give 100% confidence in doing what he does best. That will take time.


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I strongly disagree, his return will be judged on a week by week basis. If he has 2 great games right off the bat, what's the use of keeping him in the reserves? It's not like the coaches are playing him underdone - it's been widely reported that he's looking and feeling great, and could've even returned a few weeks ago.

 

[Coops93]

Also disagree with 4 weeks at a minimum, so actually suggesting more than 4. If he's fit health wise more games in the 2s doesn't change that.

I'd say 3 weeks only because of a buildup of match fitness to handle a full game.

1st game, 50% of his normal load
2nd game, 75% of his normal load
3rd game, 100% of his normal load

Then, if form permits, get him in the seniors.

 

[Ald Gardiner]

4 weeks absolute minimum in the VFL then only brought back into 1’s based on form.
I simply do not care about his talent/ability when up and going, all I care about is when he does come back in that he is given close to an even chance of contributing at a reasonable level and not leaving us effectively one man down for most of the second half.
His confidence in his body would be shot, he needs to rebuild that confidence before he starts to give 100% confidence in doing what he does best. That will take time.


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Buddy comes back into Swans 1’s after about 18 months of not playing.

Discuss

 

[Coops93]

Buddy comes back into Swans 1’s after about 18 months of not playing.

Discuss

Soft tissue instead of structural injuries.

 

[agro]

Soft tissue instead of structural injuries.

X Soft X Tissue X Instead.

 

[jj1978]

Buddy also a mature veteran who is experienced enough to have figured out his own body and know his impact. Charlie prior to injury was still a pup and maturity still questionable.

 

[Sector 7G]

I strongly disagree, his return will be judged on a week by week basis. If he has 2 great games right off the bat, what's the use of keeping him in the reserves? It's not like the coaches are playing him underdone - it's been widely reported that he's looking and feeling great, and could've even returned a few weeks ago.

If he runs 14kms in the 2s and kicks a bag I am not sure what the benefits of him playing 2s is. He is an aerobic beast and will need less time than most to be AFL standard fitness. If he has the touch and confidence in his body, elevate him to the 1s

 

[WFGodot]

We've waited 2 years. IF he is FULLY fit, 2-3 games (controlled minutes) in the VFL. IF form dictates, then let him loose... but we really need to ensure ALL boxes are ticked. It will be great news if he gets back, especially for him but I'm nervous about the possibility of set backs. Fingers, toes and eyes crossed.

 

[Kruezing]

What if Charlie comes back and kicks 8 goals in the reserves?


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Leave him there we all know VFL is not like AFL …

 

[Manhattanite]

What if Charlie comes back and kicks 8 goals in the reserves?


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Then they’re going to have to move his next VFL game to the MCG to fit everyone in




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[jezza25]

What if Charlie comes back and kicks 8 goals in the reserves?


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Let’s be realistic here. He’d be lucky to get 8 kicks. I’m assuming most of us here have played footy. He’s going to be rusty as hell. Be patient. We’re not playing finals so just to be playing again should be enough for now.

 

[Coona Blues]

Let’s be realistic here. He’d be lucky to get 8 kicks. I’m assuming most of us here have played footy. He’s going to be rusty as hell. Be patient. We’re not playing finals so just to be playing again should be enough for now.

Plenty are selling Charlie short here. He is a sublime talent and a natural athlete. Has been reported as “flying” for a long time now. If the knee is stable, he won’t have issues. I am sure it is stable now. Don’t be surprised if he comes to hand very, very quickly.

 

[jezza25]

Plenty are selling Charlie short here. He is a sublime talent and a natural athlete. Has been reported as “flying” for a long time now. If the knee is stable, he won’t have issues. I am sure it is stable now. Don’t be surprised if he comes to hand very, very quickly.

He’s flying ?
And you’re sure the knee is stable ?
Or is that just what we all want to think ?

 

[gbatman]

Charlie Curnow

30

Charlie Curnow

Age

27

Ht

194cm

Wt

94kg

Pos.

Fwd

Career

Season

Last 5

D

13.3

3star

K

9.7

4star

HB

3.6

3star

M

5.3

5star

T

2.2

4star

G

1.3

5star

No current season stats available

D

10.8

3star

K

6.4

3star

HB

4.4

4star

M

3.2

4star

T

1.6

4star

G

0.8

4star

is probably the most talented player on our list. We are short one tall forward with Casboult just filling a hole, McGovern always injured and Silvagni not really being a genuine tall forward.

Curnow should come back in the reserves playing full forward for two weeks and then if his capacity to play is good enough then he comes into the side but he needs to come into the side in good form, not just come in on the back of his known talent. He should be taking marks and kicking goals.

I am tipping he will have 2-3 weeks in the VFL and then he will be straight into the AFL team. It will be a different dynamic, he will play mostly full forward and McKay will have more moments playing up the ground at CHF which is where I see our ideal side. Silvagni or McGovern pinch hitting in the ruck is the other benchmark our team needs to reach.

 

[Coona Blues]

He’s flying ?
And you’re sure the knee is stable ?
Or is that just what we all want to think ?

He would not be looking at game time if not ready. They have been ultra conservative. Not an expert, but a bit of experience, if that knee has been operated on appropriately there is little reason to fear a repeat.

I may be off, but really believe it is not wishful thinking