Opinion Chris Scott's coaching - Part II [NEW POLL ADDED]

[you pick one]

This is my latest thinking on Scott's contract.I keep going back to Moon's statement earlier this year about Scott having 2 year,in effect being offered a one year extension that now looks like if true Scott has told them to stick up their bums,I guess he would be after a 2/3 year extension to take him through to end of 2019 minimum.
I couldn't see the Cats giving Scott more than a one year extension with his finals record since 2011 they would be thinking they have the building blocks of a team capable of going all the way and to commit to Scott long term could come back to bite them on the arse.So it's likely now it will be Chris having to convince the club he's worth the risk with results this year or he may have decided already FU and will move on at the end of the year.

 

[Spazz Cat]

This is my latest thinking on Scott's contract.I keep going back to Moon's statement earlier this year about Scott having 2 year,in effect being offered a one year extension that now looks like if true Scott has told them to stick up their bums,I guess he would be after a 2/3 year extension to take him through to end of 2019 minimum.
I couldn't see the Cats giving Scott more than a one year extension with his finals record since 2011 they would be thinking they have the building blocks of a team capable of going all the way and to commit to Scott long term could come back to bite them on the arse.So it's likely now it will be Chris having to convince the club he's worth the risk with results this year or he may have decided already FU and will move on at the end of the year.

Not sure. Doubt he'd leave. I know he's got a great record but unless we make a GF this year I dont see him walking into senior coaching job.
Would be a big gamble.

 

[you pick one]

Not sure. Doubt he'd leave. I know he's got a great record but unless we make a GF this year I dont see him walking into senior coaching job.
Would be a big gamble.

Interesting if nobody else would want him unless we reach GF would we?

 

[Spazz Cat]

Interesting if nobody else would want him unless we reach GF would we?

Probably. Club seems happy with what he's doing. Makes the finals every year while we're upgrading the ground.
Speaks well in the media.

 

[catempire]

This is my latest thinking on Scott's contract.I keep going back to Moon's statement earlier this year about Scott having 2 year,in effect being offered a one year extension that now looks like if true Scott has told them to stick up their bums,I guess he would be after a 2/3 year extension to take him through to end of 2019 minimum.
I couldn't see the Cats giving Scott more than a one year extension with his finals record since 2011 they would be thinking they have the building blocks of a team capable of going all the way and to commit to Scott long term could come back to bite them on the arse.So it's likely now it will be Chris having to convince the club he's worth the risk with results this year or he may have decided already FU and will move on at the end of the year.

It has been reported that the hold-up is the payout clauses. There doesn't seem to be any doubt now that it's an extension to the end of 2019 (i.e. a two year extension).

 

[dazbroncos]

I'd read the same report about the hold being the nature of the payouts. Club wanted 6 months and coaches want 12 months if I recall correctly.

The coaches association was involved as well from memory so it was not even a direct Scott/GFC hold up as much the club and coaches association on the terms .

GO CATTERS

 

[BUSTER29]

I'd read the same report about the hold being the nature of the payouts. Club wanted 6 months and coaches want 12 months if I recall correctly.

The coaches association was involved as well from memory so it was not even a direct Scott/GFC hold up as much the club and coaches association on the terms .

GO CATTERS

Could become an interesting situation if the reported holdup drags out for some time and we have a disappointing start to the season on field.

 

[dazbroncos]

I've been all for the one plus one option on his deal.
Gives him all of 17 and 18 guaranteed and then 19 is a show me option.

But yes, if the language of it is the pickle and form does not match expectations - which are high- then it could get awkward fast .

Go Catters

 

[Larry Donohue]

I've been all for the one plus one option on his deal.
Gives him all of 17 and 18 guaranteed and then 19 is a show me option.

But yes, if the language of it is the pickle and form does not match expectations - which are high- then it could get awkward fast .

Go Catters

OK. I have not entered this discussion at all thus far, but here is my take on Scott.
He has made a lot of gutsy decisions since starting at the club. Often not palatable for players, team and fans.
But tell me one thing. Which team has stayed in finals bar one year in the last 6 after letting go players of the ilk of Mooney, Milburn, Scarlett, Pods, stevie j, bartel, stokes, kelly, chappy, enright, caddy, corey, varcoe, not to mention ling ottens wojo and junior leaving just prior to his tenure.
Then add never having greater than seven in the national draft.
Being able to bring in the likes of danger, scott selwood, hendo, smith, stanley, tuohy from trade/ fa.
Draft the likes of thurlow, kolo, mccarthy, cocky, blitz, parfitt, ruggles, stewart, z guthrie.
And having players on the list like ghs murda smedts kersten vardy hamling that never quite showed what we all thought they might.
While holding the likes of menz, cowan, vardy, clark, off the park with injury for years.
I personally believe he has been phenomenal.
Not to mention we are still considered in contention after letting 13 players go last year.
I think give the man 3 more.
Even his assistants want to keep working with him.
There is still more culling to do too.
I reckon lonners and mackie gone end of year and perhaps trading of harry back to wa before too late, in order to free up kolo as number 2 and gardner as no 3 big backman.
We also need a true chf. The list needs to keep rolling over to have a chance of growth into the future.
Keep him for three with a roosy type handover plan to a development coach.
My say is done. Roger and out

 

[you pick one]

It has been reported that the hold-up is the payout clauses. There doesn't seem to be any doubt now that it's an extension to the end of 2019 (i.e. a two year extension).

I hadn't been aware of that but find it strange as well, you basically hand over the team for 3 years or in Scott's case except responsibility for the next 3 years then quibble over whether any payout should be 6 or 12 months,both sides must be expecting there is a high degree of probability Scott won't go the distance,with neither side being prepared to back them selves.I agree with Daz,it could get awkward fast.

 

[catempire]

I hadn't been aware of that but find it strange as well, you basically hand over the team for 3 years or in Scott's case except responsibility for the next 3 years then quibble over whether any payout should be 6 or 12 months,both sides must be expecting there is a high degree of probability Scott won't go the distance,with neither side being prepared to back them selves.I agree with Daz,it could get awkward fast.

Yep, agree it could get awkward. By the sounds of the article clubs generally are pushing for six month payout terms across the board and managers/coaches are resisting. Not sure it's too specific to Geelong's circumstances.

 

[you pick one]

Yep, agree it could get awkward. By the sounds of the article clubs generally are pushing for six month payout terms across the board and managers/coaches are resisting. Not sure it's too specific to Geelong's circumstances.

Forgive me but I'm still not understanding the hold up are we waiting the intervention of an arbitrator/third party regarding the terms of payouts IE 6 or 12 months or is it still in the hands of the club,the Coach and his agent?

 

[catempire]

Forgive me but I'm still not understanding the hold up are we waiting the intervention of an arbitrator/third party regarding the terms of payouts IE 6 or 12 months or is it still in the hands of the club,the Coach and his agent?

The latter I would have thought. It seems to be this one thing that's the only sticking point.

 

[Stocks_go_Up]

Get rid of him - won't win a premiership again with him at the helm. He has done his time - need a fresh face to wake the boys up. They aren't playing for him - that is why we have so many switch offs during the game. He even said the same thing - the players have a bad habit of turning off for large periods. Look what Beveridge has done to the belief and effort of the Bulldogs - McCartney provided the groundwork, Beveridge introduced a game plan and belief > Premiership.

Anyone that thinks its a coincidence that we won the premiership in his first year is smoking something.. The boys now need to experience the hunger and burn of another coach - Scott has gone stale.

 

[you pick one]

The latter I would have thought. It seems to be this one thing that's the only sticking point.

Sticky position as the Cats will want to fall into line with the push from the other clubs no doubt.

 

[catempire]

OK. I have not entered this discussion at all thus far, but here is my take on Scott.
He has made a lot of gutsy decisions since starting at the club. Often not palatable for players, team and fans.
But tell me one thing. Which team has stayed in finals bar one year in the last 6 after letting go players of the ilk of Mooney, Milburn, Scarlett, Pods, stevie j, bartel, stokes, kelly, chappy, enright, caddy, corey, varcoe, not to mention ling ottens wojo and junior leaving just prior to his tenure.
Then add never having greater than seven in the national draft.
Being able to bring in the likes of danger, scott selwood, hendo, smith, stanley, tuohy from trade/ fa.
Draft the likes of thurlow, kolo, mccarthy, cocky, blitz, parfitt, ruggles, stewart, z guthrie.
And having players on the list like ghs murda smedts kersten vardy hamling that never quite showed what we all thought they might.
While holding the likes of menz, cowan, vardy, clark, off the park with injury for years.
I personally believe he has been phenomenal.
Not to mention we are still considered in contention after letting 13 players go last year.
I think give the man 3 more.
Even his assistants want to keep working with him.
There is still more culling to do too.
I reckon lonners and mackie gone end of year and perhaps trading of harry back to wa before too late, in order to free up kolo as number 2 and gardner as no 3 big backman.
We also need a true chf. The list needs to keep rolling over to have a chance of growth into the future.
Keep him for three with a roosy type handover plan to a development coach.
My say is done. Roger and out

Good post.

I don't agree with "phenomenal" but you make a lot of good points and it's a good summary of why people like me feel the need to go into bat for Scott in the face of assertions he has been woeful. To me, that's nonsense and keeping the team in the top third of the ladder after the Bomber era, losing the players we did, is evidence of a coach with at least above average capabilities and probably in the best handful going around.

If people don't like the path the club has taken in trying to stay at the top of the ladder, that's a board decision and that's where blame should lie. Scott has attempted to do what the board has asked him to. He keeps putting the club in contention and for that he deserves significant credit.

 

[catempire]

Sticky position as the Cats will want to fall into line with the push from the other clubs no doubt.

Who knows, he might just accept it as the new norm.

 

[Jon Douglas]

After all his seasons now at the club I am still unsure what I think about Chris Scott's coaching. He did win a Premiership after our coach walked. That was a great job but it was Bomber Thompson's team and team tactics. A bit like Ayres getting us into the '95 GF when it was still Blight's team.

He has done ok but we just have never looked likely to win another big one. Injury has cruelled the club somewhat in his time for sure but results are what count.

I reckon if he can get us a TOP 4 position and into a GF he deserves another contract. Wait until the end of the season and then we will know a lot more.

 

[Go Hoops]

I'd read the same report about the hold being the nature of the payouts. Club wanted 6 months and coaches want 12 months if I recall correctly.

The coaches association was involved as well from memory so it was not even a direct Scott/GFC hold up as much the club and coaches association on the terms .

GO CATTERS

That's it as I understand it.

I'd hope we wait a few months before committing. If we fail this year we might need a development coach in which case Scott and Knights might not be the people. Lloyd doesn't appear to have made much of an impact either.

Bringing back McCartney would be a good start as head of development.

 

[Bobby_]

geelong_crazy26, when's your man signing on the dotted line his long awaited extension?
Been a while since you said it's a certainty.

Eager to know why the club isn't doing everything in their power to do so if he's as brilliant of a coach as you say he is.

 

[Vdubs]

True but we didn't really have the cattle down back during those years.
One GF we had a full backline of
Simpson, Tim Darcy as FB, Rogers.
Also overall we just didn't have the cattle.
Players 15-22 were always iffy.

As they are now.
In fact, I'd say that about 5-22
We had way more A Graders in Blighty's era- GAS, Couch, Buddha, Stoneham, Bairstow, Bews, Lindner, Brownless. These guys were recognised as match winners and super talented..
Now- Selwood, Danger, Hawkins, Taylor.

 

[dazbroncos]

geelong_crazy26, when's your man signing on the dotted line his long awaited extension?
Been a while since you said it's a certainty.

Eager to know why the club isn't doing everything in their power to do so if he's as brilliant of a coach as you say he is.

As has been stated in previous posts, the hold up is terms - not necessarily the club and coach terms but the Coaches Association and the club terms.

"I'd read the same report about the hold being the nature of the payouts. Club wanted 6 months and coaches want 12 months if I recall correctly.

The coaches association was involved as well from memory so it was not even a direct Scott/GFC hold up as much the club and coaches association on the terms . "

GO CATTERS

 

[Vdubs]

As has been stated in previous posts, the hold up is terms.

"I'd read the same report about the hold being the nature of the payouts. Club wanted 6 months and coaches want 12 months if I recall correctly.

The coaches association was involved as well from memory so it was not even a direct Scott/GFC hold up as much the club and coaches association on the terms . "

GO CATTERS

My wish would be that we are not privy to any of this stuff until it is announced.
Unnecessary distractions.

 

[catempire]

My wish would be that we are not privy to any of this stuff until it is announced.
Unnecessary distractions.

Silence would just intensify speculation. Better to be open.

 

[Vdubs]

Silence would just intensify speculation. Better to be open.

I don't know why it is anybody's business about the contractural arrangements of coach, player etc. apart from the club hierarchy.