Traded Chris Yarran [to Richmond for Pick 19]

[tipstar]

Andrew McKay was asked about Yarran at a business function yesterday and he said Carlton will play hard ball with Richmond and won't trade him if they don't like the offer.

Personally can't see Yarran being at Carlton next year but being contracted does help our chance of getting a good return.

That's exactly what I wanna hear!!!!

 

[juss]

Andrew McKay was asked about Yarran at a business function yesterday and he said Carlton will play hard ball with Richmond and won't trade him if they don't like the offer.

Personally can't see Yarran being at Carlton next year but being contracted does help our chance of getting a good return.

That is to be expected, we won't offer our first rounder and Carlton are unlikely to accept our second, so maybe a third club needs to be involved.

 

[bmaurizio]

We'll get adequate compensation for Yarran no doubt about just forget the ridiculous media hype and devaluing nonsense.
Mathews has helped our cause with his media comments sort of holds them off a bit.
Silvani will have to hold his ground more than ever its brinkmanship and due diligence must to done.
Let the games begin

 

[My name geoff]

Why?

What is his standout?
Where had he finished in Carlton BF over his career?
Why has he played more games below par than not?

I don't know what you have seen if him but I'd rather pass on him and go for someone more consistent.
His great games are to few...
Or pick 25-28 at best

Got stooged with Hampson big time!

Better not happen twice

Or their memory includes the last 7 months, unlike most Carlton supporters.

Last year, he was one of the better rebounding HBFs around...Not the best, not a star, just one of the better players in what is widely regarded as the easiest spot on the ground.

His standout is that he is better than Brandon Ellis, who Richmond would ask a first rounder for.

 

[Tiger71]

Andrew McKay was asked about Yarran at a business function yesterday and he said Carlton will play hard ball with Richmond and won't trade him if they don't like the offer.

Personally can't see Yarran being at Carlton next year but being contracted does help our chance of getting a good return.

Agree with this. I would not be surprised if we offered our second round this year and our second next year. IMO that would be a fair result. Or our second rounder this year and a player who will be a mature type that should allow your kids time to develop but will still add value to your side like our second rounder and Lloyd who consistently kicked 3 goals in a lot of games.

Bottom line for me, if we can get Bennell, add Yarran as well, and keep our first pick next year makes losing out on Adam Treloar a blessing.

 

[tangoandcash]

Agree with this. I would not be surprised if we offered our second round this year and our second next year. IMO that would be a fair result. Or our second rounder this year and a player who will be a mature type that should allow your kids time to develop but will still add value to your side like our second rounder and Lloyd who consistently kicked 3 goals in a lot of games.

Bottom line for me, if we can get Bennell, add Yarran as well, and keep our first pick next year makes losing out on Adam Treloar a blessing.

If you can pick up yarran and bennell you're definitely doing better the trelor. Both of them are match winners and richmond will finish top 4 easily. I hope you get both and they show everyone how good they really are.

 

[Ti22]

Hope Yarran goes to Sydney can't have players who are still contracted demanding what they want, heard that Richmond were "talking" to him since round 5 no wonder he played like shit, if he does not care about the club then why should we care where he plays.

 

[Tiger71]

Hope Yarran goes to Sydney can't have players who are still contracted demanding what they want, heard that Richmond were "talking" to him since round 5 no wonder he played like shit, if he does not care about the club then why should we care where he plays.

I cant understand this view with Blue supporters. Did not your club fly mid year to talk to a player from another club ? All teams do it.

 

[bmaurizio]

Absolutley hold firm, Silvani has to be held accountable at all
costs , Yarran will have a rude awaking, and it's about time some of these pampered skilled players be taught a lesson.
He's contracted , both Yarran and interested party have to play ball.
Otherwise let him walk out, he would cost us zero salary and allow us to poach a player from Richmond , sort of give them some of their own medicine. Let's play the game, well not be compromised on this one.
Ciao

 

[Ti22]

Sick of being bent over if you want Yarran you have to pay pretty simple really.

 

[RockJobster0312]

Andrew McKay was asked about Yarran at a business function yesterday and he said Carlton will play hard ball with Richmond and won't trade him if they don't like the offer.

Personally can't see Yarran being at Carlton next year but being contracted does help our chance of getting a good return.

I don't want to sound condescending or rude - you are passing on info to the benefit of everyone here. But its not like McKay would say 'look we are happy to get our pants pulled down by Richmond in a Yarran trade.'

Too me there are three facts that have to align:

1. Who does Yarran wish to play for
2. How many other teams besides the RFC are into his services and what would they pay for him.
3. How much salary cap release does SOS require to get Carlisle, Plowman and the bunch of other players they have targeted over the line.

The first two would narrow down the scope of offers from clubs. I.e. no point in Gold Coast going for them if he doesn't want to play for them despite the fact that they made a better offer (as an example).

The teams that I have heard are the Tigers, Swans or the Dees. I can't see the Swans giving up their first round pick (potentially Leunberger plus their draft constraints make the draft more important). The Dees may offer a second round pick (Toumpas trade helps maybe). The Tigers thus with their second pick are somewhere in between. It gets down to whether Yarran would play for the Demons.

Lastly what the salary cap position is. Obviously he is contracted and the Blues have every right to play hard ball. But if the Blues are to get Carlisle, Plowman, Phillips, Sumner, Tomlinson and the others who have not been made public then you will need some cash to entice those players to join. The Blues' cap room is tight from what I understand (not full but does mean there isn't much flexibility) so to get those players you will have to lose Henderson, Bell and Yarran gives the Blues flexibility not just this off season but for future seasons.

Sorry for the rant. My guess is that Carlton will accept a second round pick from the RFC for Yarran. Just maybe not RFCs second round pick.

 

[tonywilson43]

His standout is that he is better than Brandon Ellis, who Richmond would ask a first rounder for.

Lol stop with pretending yarran is better then ellis no one agress

 

[tonywilson43]

Absolutley hold firm, Silvani has to be held accountable at all
costs , Yarran will have a rude awaking, and it's about time some of these pampered skilled players be taught a lesson.
He's contracted , both Yarran and interested party have to play ball.
Otherwise let him walk out, he would cost us zero salary and allow us to poach a player from Richmond , sort of give them some of their own medicine. Let's play the game, well not be compromised on this one.
Ciao

With the bennell talk know one really cares about yarran anyway right now

 

[daffo]

Melksham was apparently talking with Melbourne for the last three months. I'm really happy that he still put in effort + tried for the club.

You can see with players like Yarran + Carlisle they made their decision to leave early and played like shit for the rest of the year. You lose respect for people like that.

Yarran is the type of player Essendon really need but I don't want him at the club.

 

[HBF]

Robinsons always had the talent he just has issues

He's a bit like Bell in that he lacks polish as well.

 

[My name geoff]

Lol stop with pretending yarran is better then ellis no one agress View attachment 179348

A cross section of 20 bigfooty posters opinions is more insightful to you than compelling statistical evidence. More power to you.

 

[Charlie Pannam]

I cant understand this view with Blue supporters. Did not your club fly mid year to talk to a player from another club ? All teams do it.

Not only that managers shop their players around as well, doesn't matter if they are contracted or not.
Supporters would be up in arms if a club didn't put out the feelers it's the way the industry works, you hear a player is unhappy wants a change you let them know your interested
Lots of childish dummy spitting going on here.

 

[Tig22]

He's a bit like Bell in that he lacks polish as well.

I really rate Bell, he's stood out in most Carlton games I've watched this year because of his bravery and attack on the footy. It sucks that you guys might be trading him, even if he lacks polish. Having him play beside me would make me feel a bit safer on the park because you know he'd protect you.

 

[Tig22]

His standout is that he is better than Brandon Ellis, who Richmond would ask a first rounder for.

Two years younger, and a player that I rate as courageous. he has a borderline elite tank that can still improve as he does more pre-seasons and his biggest problem is that he lacks composure with the footy and thinks he's under pressure - something that will get better while his spatial awareness improves as he grows older. He averages more than 20 disposals a game, a couple of tackles, a couple of rebound 50's and inside 50's, and 5 marks. For a 22 year old that is very much looking the goods to becoming an elite player, and still has room for improvement, I think asking for a first rounder is very justified.

We know Yarran has had a bad 2015, but the stats that he was better than Ellis (Yaz last year compared Ellis to this year), are goals (by 0.6%), free's for (by 0.1%), marks in50 (0.1%), and one-percenters and bounces. Otherwise, Ellis has Yaz covered for total disposals, contested possessions, effective disposals, tackles, inside/rebound 50's, marks, and clearances. And not by margins of 0.1%, he has him covered with a king size blanket.

Please stop banging on about how Yaz is better than Ellis. His standout was years ago, there is absolutely no guarantee he'll return to it, and Ellis is quite clearly a more valuable player.

 

[telsor]

His standout is that he is better than Brandon Ellis, who Richmond would ask a first rounder for.

According to...you. Ellis's past year has been FAR better, and before you start, 2014 his stats were better in most areas too (not bad for a kid who was 20 for most of the year).

Also, there are the tiny details of Ellis being 3 years younger and hasn't walked out on Richmond.

 

[bmaurizio]

Ellis is a reasonable player and I'm happy that he remains at Richmond, just let us keep Yarran and CFC would be very happy the new coaching team will bring him around.
Btw Yarran has not walked out on his contact as far as I know, because if has he'd be in breach.
That would relase our salary cap somewhat and we might just concentrate say on an uncontracted Richmond player say like Lennon?
Ciao

 

[My name geoff]

Two years younger, and a player that I rate as courageous. he has a borderline elite tank that can still improve as he does more pre-seasons and his biggest problem is that he lacks composure with the footy and thinks he's under pressure - something that will get better while his spatial awareness improves as he grows older. He averages more than 20 disposals a game, a couple of tackles, a couple of rebound 50's and inside 50's, and 5 marks. For a 22 year old that is very much looking the goods to becoming an elite player, and still has room for improvement, I think asking for a first rounder is very justified.

We know Yarran has had a bad 2015, but the stats that he was better than Ellis (Yaz last year compared Ellis to this year), are goals (by 0.6%), free's for (by 0.1%), marks in50 (0.1%), and one-percenters and bounces. Otherwise, Ellis has Yaz covered for total disposals, contested possessions, effective disposals, tackles, inside/rebound 50's, marks, and clearances. And not by margins of 0.1%, he has him covered with a king size blanket.

Please stop banging on about how Yaz is better than Ellis. His standout was years ago, there is absolutely no guarantee he'll return to it, and Ellis is quite clearly a more valuable player.

According to...you. Ellis's past year has been FAR better, and before you start, 2014 his stats were better in most areas too (not bad for a kid who was 20 for most of the year).

Also, there are the tiny details of Ellis being 3 years younger and hasn't walked out on Richmond.

The argument being made refers to yarran being the superior player to Ellis at any point in his career according to the afl official player rankings.

The ranking system is the most sophisticated statistical analyzer available to us, yet some are denying its capability to correctly value players, as in some cases it doesn't support their opinion.

The ranking system is not perfect, as with any ratings of anything, there will be anomalies, however it accurately supports Carlton people's opinion of yarran and I see no reason why we should alter this view. If we were to do this Chris Yarran would be the only player with his ratings at his age that is worth less than a first round pick

Many are of firm belief that through poor representation in the media, Carlton have a list of players that are chronically undervalued in the perceptions of the broader football world. This thread is a confirmation.

 

[tonywilson43]

The argument being made refers to yarran being the superior player to Ellis at any point in his career according to the afl official player rankings.

The ranking system is the most sophisticated statistical analyzer available to us, yet some are denying its capability to correctly value players, as in some cases it doesn't support their opinion.

The ranking system is not perfect, as with any ratings of anything, there will be anomalies, however it accurately supports Carlton people's opinion of yarran and I see no reason why we should alter this view. If we were to do this Chris Yarran would be the only player with his ratings at his age that is worth less than a first round pick

Many are of firm belief that through poor representation in the media, Carlton have a list of players that are chronically undervalued in the perceptions of the broader football world. This thread is a confirmation.

Deal is done yarran has been traded to richmond for a second round pick

 

[telsor]

Ellis is a reasonable player and I'm happy that he remains at Richmond, just let us keep Yarran and CFC would be very happy the new coaching team will bring him around.
Btw Yarran has not walked out on his contact as far as I know, because if has he'd be in breach.
That would relase our salary cap somewhat and we might just concentrate say on an uncontracted Richmond player say like Lennon?
Ciao

No, he hasn't walked out on his contract...he's said publicly he wants out of the club, but you're right, technically he hasn't breached his contract yet.

As for bringing him around...He played like crap last year and had a bad attitude because was thinking he wanted out...are you really that confident that forcing him to stay at a place now that he's definitely decided he wants out is the way to turn that around just because a different person is saying pretty please to him?

As for Lennon, go for it. You should have plenty of cap space free anyway. Of course, unlike your club, quality players don't tend to walk out on us so your hoping rumors are true doesn't mean much. Tell me, what would you trade for him? Your dream that he'd walk into the PSD is just that after all...A dream (who/when was the last decent player who went to the PSD? It just doesn't happen).

 

[HBF]

I really rate Bell, he's stood out in most Carlton games I've watched this year because of his bravery and attack on the footy. It sucks that you guys might be trading him, even if he lacks polish. Having him play beside me would make me feel a bit safer on the park because you know he'd protect you.

He's hard at it for sure. One of those players that don't come around that often with his size and tank. Will be sad to see him go. One of our few success stories this year.