Traded Chris Yarran [to Richmond for Pick 19]

[telsor]

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You've made only two points and got them both wrong..

1) your club has acknowledged that yarran is worth a first rounder - this leaves your first point WRONG (31 was their ambit claim)
2) Carlton have a contracted player. Richmond have chased said player. Richmond must make the play. Their first bid of 31 was embarrassing in these circumstances. So to set you straight, Richmond are hard to deal with. Point 2 WRONG.

3) a new point for you. Richmond will give up a pick between 15-18. They are working feverishly to make it happen. A lot closer to 12 than 31...so now who's hard to deal with?

1) A first rounder can still be between 12 and 31...and Richmond didn't say he was worth that...they said it was fair that Carlton WANTED a late first and we'd try to make that happen, while at the same time saying we thought he was worth low 20s.

2) Your answer doesn't relate to what I said. Regardless, you have a player who has walked out on you and will only go to one club...Your choices are to take what you can get or pay him for gardening leave next year until he walks out on you. demanding pick 12 was embarrassing. Also, where is it documented that the Richmond football club offered pick 31, by itself? Or are you suggesting we should be embarrassed by something you made up (or more embarrassingly for you, took to be true because a fan said it)?

3) So Richmond is working hard to make it happen, and you conclude that from us doing that work we're hard to deal with? BTW, where does 15-18 come from, and how do you know that'd be the entire deal? Last I heard was that 17 or 21 might be coming from Brisbane....What are we 'feverishly' doing to get 15,16 and/or 18?

 

[telsor]

Agree.

Trade value =/= player value

However, I think pick 17 is very close to what Yarran is worth in this circumstance

A bit over I think, but near enough to not be worth quibbling over....Add a swap of 3rd rounders or something steak-knifey like that and it'd be right.

 

[Frank Grimes]

Best part of this will be when Yarran gets BOG round 1

Seeing that I think this deal is going to fall through I hope not.

 

[In The Blue]

We get a pick back from Carlton? Didn't see that.

17 or 21 doesn't really matter from Brisbane, they'll both end up at Carlton if Bell goes as well. If we give 17 and get a pick back I feel like Brisbane are getting the raw deal here.

Tell us about that 'Heads of Agreement' you were so assured of?

 

[The Old Dark Navy's]

The reason I reckon they are hating on it is that the reality has hit them that they won't be getting pick 12 or Lennon for him, when they were oh so certain the messiah SOS would ensure they did

Careful with the generalisations. Carlton have only ever said a first rounder and a hell of a lot of Carlton supporters have said the same thing. Pick 12 has been mentioned by many with a swap of seconds which rates him at 19 which is lower than the proposed 17.

If we did a head count of pick 31 proposals, would we really suffer in comparison?

 

[Elton Johns Wig]

Careful with the generalisations. Carlton have only ever said a first rounder and a hell of a lot of Carlton supporters have said the same thing. Pick 12 has been mentioned by many with a swap of seconds which rates him at 19 which is lower than the proposed 17.

If we did a head count of pick 31 proposals, would we really suffer in comparison?

lol, no. Both sides have their fair share of pelican supporters sticking to the ridiculous

 

[The Old Dark Navy's]

By the way the pick 15 lower valuation was from an article that didn't directly quote Richardson, however the language was the same as what Richardson used on Trade Radio.

Just to be sure about what Richardson said on Trade Radio, because some are suggesting he indicated the value was early second rounder only:

"We respect Carlton's position and they feel Chris is worth a first round pick which ... that's probably fair but perhaps just not quite as low as what we hold currently, so we've been working hard just to satisfy that through ... you know, some other avenues. We think the options are getting closer and we're really confident Chris will end up at the Tigers."

I'm assuming Carlton asked for Pick 12 ... did they?

They've asked for a first round pick and obviously in the initial stages our first round pick is either Pick 12 this ear or you could look at future picks as well.

Would you back yourself in? Have a good year, could be pick 16 or 17 next year. Is that what you think he's worth?

Yeah, we think he's around that mark, perhaps even early 20s. Carlton asked for a first rounder, we respect that. That's what we are working to do. We're just pursuing other avenues to be able to achieve that other than giving up the pick that we currently hold.

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So the question was posed about 16 or 17 directly. Richardson said it was around that mark and perhaps even early 20s. If they said 15 or 16, would he have said no or expressed similar sentiments? He has directly suggested those picks are around the mark and set an outside parameter of early 20s.

So not worth quibbling over a direct quote looking for Pick 15.

We have also established that Carlton never asked for Richmond's first rounder, just a first rounder. Important distinction.

Some Blues fans are at the extreme edge of where a deal should be done certainly, just as some Tigers fans are. Talk of Lennon was just to speculate on another trade option should Richmond not be able to offer anything more than 31. Him re-signing does little to the value the club wants for Yarran and most supporters want. Talk of Pick 12 has also been mentioned as part of a deal, not the only deal.

Anybody looking to paint one group of supporters as looking foolish here, might want to get to deleting a whole lot of stuff from their side of the fence.

I admit I haven't read every trade thread over the years but this one was terrible as an example of what a discussion should be ... all around.

 

[El Topo]

The pick 12 talk comes from the fact that none of us expected Richmond to wrangle another first for one of their fringe players. Despite what their supporters may say, we're not dealing with a top four side overflowing with talent here. Enter, Brisbane.

 

[Kramer1]

Not really, will become the softest player at the Tigers

Will have to prise that badge from Grigg's cold dead hands...

 

[El Topo]

Will have to prise that badge from Grigg's cold dead hands...

Is that before or after they find Trent?

 

[Love the Drake]

1) A first rounder can still be between 12 and 31...and Richmond didn't say he was worth that...they said it was fair that Carlton WANTED a late first and we'd try to make that happen, while at the same time saying we thought he was worth low 20s.

2) Your answer doesn't relate to what I said. Regardless, you have a player who has walked out on you and will only go to one club...Your choices are to take what you can get or pay him for gardening leave next year until he walks out on you. demanding pick 12 was embarrassing. Also, where is it documented that the Richmond football club offered pick 31, by itself? Or are you suggesting we should be embarrassed by something you made up (or more embarrassingly for you, took to be true because a fan said it)?

3) So Richmond is working hard to make it happen, and you conclude that from us doing that work we're hard to deal with? BTW, where does 15-18 come from, and how do you know that'd be the entire deal? Last I heard was that 17 or 21 might be coming from Brisbane....What are we 'feverishly' doing to get 15,16 and/or 18?

You answered your own question. You are working feverishly to offload astbury to get 17 to get the deal done. Done deal. Lock it in.

 

[bmaurizio]

So the RFC assessment of Yarran's value is closer to a 2nd rounder that the top 10 pick , A grade player he is.
Must be a great feeling for him to be so highly valorized by a possible new team.

 

[The Old Dark Navy's]

A first rounder can still be between 12 and 31

 

[RichoRocks2006]

Huh? Weird post.

Try these three reasons you may "try" to be fair (no evidence of it from posters):

1. You want him, so you need to deal. Some clubs have worked this out and get trades done. Richmond have not worked it out to date and have failed to improve their list. Other clubs are passing you by as you sit on your hands.

2. You've been in his ear all year, no doubt unsettling in the way the Cats did to Hendo. They realised that created an obligation to sort things out and deal fairly.

3. He's contracted. It's happened before that players want out, clubs say not and they stay and get on with things. Some stay put for good. You have no idea if Yarran will play VFL.

Have you ever seen a player return to form or even play for a club after requesting a trade? My guess is no. If Carlton wasn't such a joke of a club you may be able to satisfy your players.

 

[Chism]

Have you ever seen a player return to form or even play for a club after requesting a trade? My guess is no. If Carlton wasn't such a joke of a club you may be able to satisfy your players.

Ryan O'Keefe.

 

[My name geoff]

If I'm reading the state of play correctly, this essentially means that Yarran is worth the equivalent of a player who also wants to walk from his current club, but is uncontracted and has never played a game over 2 seasons of afl

 

[nineteen eighty]

Why? Coz Yarrans had one bad year.....the bloke is a jet and will thrive in our team. ******* shitting me how TIGES supporters can see this.

You're relatively new on here. Back when I joined, the majority of Tiges supporters wanted to trade Richo out.

Goes for supporters of all clubs...happy to jump on the bandwagon quick enough when the jumper gets handed over. Also quick to bag the bloke first chance they get.

Everyone will get on board...at least initially.

 

[Moshie The Mook]

If the Brisbane/Astbury deal is signed and sealed, then looks like pick 17 is yours Carlton. Good luck and all the best with the patient rebuild.

 

[nineteen eighty]

You forget that Carlton have been no good in that time. He would compliment Vlastuin nicely.

I see Yarran being the small forward that we have never had.

Has RFC come out and actually stated what position they have in mind for him?

 

[The Old Dark Navy's]

Ryan O'Keefe.

Jordan Russell and Bret Thornton both wanted out at one point and requested trades at the end of 2006. We held firm using the PSD as leverage and both re-signed. Russell came second in our B&F in 2010. Thornton was made part of our leadership group and had a couple of top 10 B&F finishes.

 

[blueboy25]

Have you ever seen a player return to form or even play for a club after requesting a trade? My guess is no. If Carlton wasn't such a joke of a club you may be able to satisfy your players.

Mitch Brown at the eagles.

 

[The Old Dark Navy's]

I see Yarran being the small forward that we have never had.

Has RFC come out and actually stated what position they have in mind for him?

Dan Richardson did say that one of the positions they need to fill is rebounding defender.

 

[blueboy25]

If the Brisbane/Astbury deal is signed and sealed, then looks like pick 17 is yours Carlton. Good luck and all the best with the patient rebuild.

Lets hope its not a 35+ year rebuild like some clubs

 

[Moshie The Mook]

Lets hope its not a 35+ year rebuild like some clubs

I'm sure you'll have a decent crack at the title though.

 

[blueboy25]

I'm sure you'll have a decent crack at the title though.

Might need to speak to your lot for some advice though