List Mgmt. Christmas comes early (Nov 28 - 19 sleeps) - Draftee discussion

[Keys]

Link to draft picks held by each club

 

[Monocle]

In looking at next years draft cohort I was certainly drawn towards him as a potential pick.

He and Mitch Edwards are two, that this far out, I would be wanting us to acquire.

As it stands 2023 we have:

1x First
2 x Seconds
2 x Thirds

IMO: theoretically a perfect draft would be.

So a KPP, a Ruck then - two mids and a small FF.

We need help on every line for the rebuild and it’s going to take four drafts, this is the second.
So whilst Gunslinger would not be my preferred option this year, I won’t be getting my knickers in a twist if we draft him.

 

[Bacchus]

Nothing at all. But Darling is 30 so we do need to develop a replacement fairly urgently.

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Midfield more important imo. Redden gone, Shuey about to die, Gaff dead already, will Yeo be able to play midfield again?
Gaping holes there.

 

[PremiershipNo4]

In looking at next years draft cohort I was certainly drawn towards him as a potential pick.

I was initially drawn towards the pick, but my opinion keeps sliding to and fro

 

[Wooshaaaa]

No we don't. We need to pay the price and get Naughton or Logan McDonald.

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[Wooshaaaa]

Midfield more important imo. Redden gone, Shuey about to die, Gaff dead already, will Yeo be able to play midfield again?
Gaping holes there.

No, Yeo will be shifted to his best position at half back. Midfield is where he started getting all his injuries.

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[Bacchus]

One is yet to be proven but is a brilliant and exciting prospect. The other is getting old - it happens. Darling would be better as a third tall anyway.

Darling has been playing as a key forward for ten to twelve years and has played better when Kennedy wasn’t there.
He is very durable and will probably be our next 300 game player.

Question about Allen is his fitness, not his ability.

Sure, a developing kpf would be good although we supposedly have a couple in Williams x2 but I see the midfield as a greater immediate need.

 

[Wooshaaaa]

Allen, darling McGovern, waterman

Barras, Yeo, Hurn, Edwards, duggen, bazzo, cole, hough. Rotham, Foley, petreski-seaton

We don't need backs or forwards.

We need contested mids, and mid stoppage speed breakers

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[FKASC]

In looking at next years draft cohort I was certainly drawn towards him as a potential pick.

You must be blind

 

[Truckosaurus]

The Dump Thread drools in anticipation

 

[squashface]

Not at AFL level he won't be son.

I had my reservations about him being a small forward as well, but his creativity, speed, agility and footy smarts has me convinced he'll be fine as a forward.



Exactly, this kent ^

Isn’t this ^

Simpson will either have to hide a midfielder down there (dumb)

Just this though?

 

[Westcoast88]

Barass
Gov
Edwards
Bazzo

We don't need any more talent in that position.

Bus may be too good to pass up, but at best he will be 3rd in line for his preferred position. At worst he'll be 5th in line getting plenty of WAFL practice (as we concede plenty of I50's in the WAFL).



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Did you read all of my post ? McGovern is 30, he will be 31 by the start of next season. Edwards has far from cemented his place in the best 22 and in my opinion is not athletic enough to play back - I think he gets delisted in a couple of years to be honest. Bazzo looks ok but has only played 9 games so is still no sure thing, potential is a dangerous word, dont count your chickens friend. Busslinger may also be able to play forward too, who knows.

 

[Chris_6678]

If next years draft as predicted has better talls i would be more inclined to go with Mids and HBF's this year and wait till next years draft. We have Barrass & Gov as senior players with Bazzo and Edwards as young developing talls so 2023 will be fine for talls for the year.

 

[sey666]

Isn’t this ^


Just this though?

 

[ziad]

Darling has been playing as a key forward for ten to twelve years and has played better when Kennedy wasn’t there.
He is very durable and will probably be our next 300 game player.

Question about Allen is his fitness, not his ability.

Sure, a developing kpf would be good although we supposedly have a couple in Williams x2 but I see the midfield as a greater immediate need.

Darling is certainly physically resilient, mentally/emotionally not so much. Regardless when the rebuild is done he will be an old man and will always be undersized. As he slow that will be a bigger concern.

The big questions:
Will Allen be a gun - likely? Perhaps highly mobile CHF?
When will we be a contender again - crystal ball stuff, I dont know but it could be 3-5 years ??

 

[Icanwalk]

His selection is crucial given the need for a creative small forward on our list. Legdon is absolute trash, Petrucelle is injury prone and still has no natural football nouse. Rioli was the bloke who can make things happen forward of centre, and he's just walked out. Jones looks exceptional. Miss out on him and we'll roll into 2023 with xerox small forward depth. Simpson will either have to hide a midfielder down there (dumb) or send Jamaine back down the other end.

Of all the holes in the list, small forward is perhaps the most under-recognised as it has only recently been a position of strength.

If the recruiters believe Darcy Jones can transition to a genuine small forward, then I wouldn't be against taking him at 26, although I'm not convinced by him as an AFL prospect and would prefer we take him with a later pick (i.e. the pick 40 we so generously traded to Port).

However, the best value small forward prospect has already passed us by this off-season: Toby Bedford (to GWS for pick 44). According to reports from Bedford and all clubs involved (see junk publication with direct quotes below), his motivation behind the move was purely playing opportunities. Given the sorry state of our small forward stocks post-Rioli (Langdon and Petch), the sharp, team oriented, and highly skilled Bedford certainly would have been best 22 for us. Good list management would have seen us make a play for him.

I think Dees erred in consistently playing the role-players in Neale-Bullen and Melksham over Bedford (he copped the medi-sub role 10 times last season). You need to find a way to integrate the best talent on your list. One of the role's of role players is to make way for talent when the time is right (a problem I look forward to us having once again).

https://www.news.com.au/sport/afl/Bedford

 

[Ambrose Burnside]

Of all the holes in the list, small forward is perhaps the most under-recognised as it has only recently been a position of strength.

If the recruiters believe Darcy Jones can transition to a genuine small forward, then I wouldn't be against taking him at 26, although I'm not convinced by him as an AFL prospect and would prefer we take him with a later pick (i.e. the pick 40 we so generously traded to Port).

However, the best value small forward prospect has already passed us by this off-season: Toby Bedford (to GWS for pick 44). According to reports from Bedford and all clubs involved (see junk publication with direct quotes below), his motivation behind the move was purely playing opportunities. Given the sorry state of our small forward stocks post-Rioli (Langdon and Petch), the sharp, team oriented, and highly skilled Bedford certainly would have been best 22 for us. Good list management would have seen us make a play for him.

I think Dees erred in consistently playing the role-players in Neale-Bullen and Melksham over Bedford (he copped the medi-sub role 10 times last season). You need to find a way to integrate the best talent on your list. One of the role's of role players is to make way for talent when the time is right (a problem I look forward to us having once again).

https://www.news.com.au/sport/afl/Bedford

Good news then, ALEC WATERMAN was just delisted by Essendon

 

[paran]

Of all the holes in the list, small forward is perhaps the most under-recognised as it has only recently been a position of strength.

If the recruiters believe Darcy Jones can transition to a genuine small forward, then I wouldn't be against taking him at 26, although I'm not convinced by him as an AFL prospect and would prefer we take him with a later pick (i.e. the pick 40 we so generously traded to Port).

However, the best value small forward prospect has already passed us by this off-season: Toby Bedford (to GWS for pick 44). According to reports from Bedford and all clubs involved (see junk publication with direct quotes below), his motivation behind the move was purely playing opportunities. Given the sorry state of our small forward stocks post-Rioli (Langdon and Petch), the sharp, team oriented, and highly skilled Bedford certainly would have been best 22 for us. Good list management would have seen us make a play for him.

I think Dees erred in consistently playing the role-players in Neale-Bullen and Melksham over Bedford (he copped the medi-sub role 10 times last season). You need to find a way to integrate the best talent on your list. One of the role's of role players is to make way for talent when the time is right (a problem I look forward to us having once again).

https://www.news.com.au/sport/afl/Bedford

I think HFF might be the go for him provided he can tackle against seniors and take the hits. A very apt Willie replacement.

 

[Keys]

Of all the holes in the list, small forward is perhaps the most under-recognised as it has only recently been a position of strength.

If the recruiters believe Darcy Jones can transition to a genuine small forward, then I wouldn't be against taking him at 26, although I'm not convinced by him as an AFL prospect and would prefer we take him with a later pick (i.e. the pick 40 we so generously traded to Port).

However, the best value small forward prospect has already passed us by this off-season: Toby Bedford (to GWS for pick 44). According to reports from Bedford and all clubs involved (see junk publication with direct quotes below), his motivation behind the move was purely playing opportunities. Given the sorry state of our small forward stocks post-Rioli (Langdon and Petch), the sharp, team oriented, and highly skilled Bedford certainly would have been best 22 for us. Good list management would have seen us make a play for him.

I think Dees erred in consistently playing the role-players in Neale-Bullen and Melksham over Bedford (he copped the medi-sub role 10 times last season). You need to find a way to integrate the best talent on your list. One of the role's of role players is to make way for talent when the time is right (a problem I look forward to us having once again).

https://www.news.com.au/sport/afl/Bedford

Re the bolded bit

The article says we had interest in him

It also says GWS we’re in touch with him mid-year because they knew Bobby Hill was going to leave

We didn’t know Rioli was going to leave until after the season had finished so we’re always going to be behind GWS in the chase

So we did make a play, but probably too late to make a difference

As for a specialist small forward Jacob Konstanty might still be there at 20 or Charlie Clarke at 26 are options as well

 

[Westcoast88]

If next years draft as predicted has better talls i would be more inclined to go with Mids and HBF's this year and wait till next years draft. We have Barrass & Gov as senior players with Bazzo and Edwards as young developing talls so 2023 will be fine for talls for the year.

We can do both you know, doesnt have to be all mids or all backs. Id prefer we just take best available as we need a bit of everything. Talls take longer to develop so it would be remiss to draft no talls at all when kennedy has just retired and Naitanui and McGovern are close to the ends of their careers.

Busslinger makes sense because he is from WA and in our draft range if he lasts till 8. Who knows what our draft range will be next year but there always seems to be plenty of mids around to pick up. Quality talls harder to find.

 

[swingdog]

Darling is certainly physically resilient, mentally/emotionally not so much. Regardless when the rebuild is done he will be an old man and will always be undersized. As he slow that will be a bigger concern.

The big questions:
Will Allen be a gun - likely? Perhaps highly mobile CHF?
When will we be a contender again - crystal ball stuff, I dont know but it could be 3-5 years ??

So......Darling to inside mid bull. Fixed.

 

[shooshka]

Did you read all of my post ? McGovern is 30, he will be 31 by the start of next season. Edwards has far from cemented his place in the best 22 and in my opinion is not athletic enough to play back - I think he gets delisted in a couple of years to be honest. Bazzo looks ok but has only played 9 games so is still no sure thing, potential is a dangerous word, dont count your chickens friend. Busslinger may also be able to play forward too, who knows.

OK, so I definitely read this post - and you want to take Busslinger on the potential he may be better than Edwards or Bazzo, or the potential that he, Bazzo or Edwards might be able to play forward. But you also say potential is a dangerous word....

It's a contradiction. We may well take Busslinger as he is the best player available at 8. However he absolutely does not play a position of need for us. We're screaming out for Mids (inside, balanced - we are probably OK for developing outside mids at this stage unless a potentially elite one slips - i.e. Tsatsas), small forwards (we need at least 1), HBF (probably need one - or we will be taking our outside mids to put here), Key forward (a LOT riding on Jack Williams at the moment - otherwise we are shot in 3-4 seasons). So taking a KPD with the highest pick we have had in over a decade carries a huge amount of risk for our list profile.

I'm not opposed to drafting him, but I do acknowledge that he plays in the one position that is not a need for our list (and if another club wants to pay to trade up for him I would absolutely consider it if he was there at 8 and they wanted him!).

 

[dinnaz]

Isn’t this ^


Just this though?

Flawless argument

 

[FKASC]

Of all the holes in the list, small forward is perhaps the most under-recognised as it has only recently been a position of strength.

If the recruiters believe Darcy Jones can transition to a genuine small forward, then I wouldn't be against taking him at 26, although I'm not convinced by him as an AFL prospect and would prefer we take him with a later pick (i.e. the pick 40 we so generously traded to Port).

However, the best value small forward prospect has already passed us by this off-season: Toby Bedford (to GWS for pick 44). According to reports from Bedford and all clubs involved (see junk publication with direct quotes below), his motivation behind the move was purely playing opportunities. Given the sorry state of our small forward stocks post-Rioli (Langdon and Petch), the sharp, team oriented, and highly skilled Bedford certainly would have been best 22 for us. Good list management would have seen us make a play for him.

I think Dees erred in consistently playing the role-players in Neale-Bullen and Melksham over Bedford (he copped the medi-sub role 10 times last season). You need to find a way to integrate the best talent on your list. One of the role's of role players is to make way for talent when the time is right (a problem I look forward to us having once again).

https://www.news.com.au/sport/afl/Bedford

Bedford is going to be a gun. Every time he played for Melbourne he was dangerous. Crazy fast and loves a goal. Infinitely better than ANB. Wish we grabbed him

 

[Westcoast88]

OK, so I definitely read this post - and you want to take Busslinger on the potential he may be better than Edwards or Bazzo, or the potential that he, Bazzo or Edwards might be able to play forward. But you also say potential is a dangerous word....

It's a contradiction. We may well take Busslinger as he is the best player available at 8. However he absolutely does not play a position of need for us. We're screaming out for Mids (inside, balanced - we are probably OK for developing outside mids at this stage unless a potentially elite one slips - i.e. Tsatsas), small forwards (we need at least 1), HBF (probably need one - or we will be taking our outside mids to put here), Key forward (a LOT riding on Jack Williams at the moment - otherwise we are shot in 3-4 seasons). So taking a KPD with the highest pick we have had in over a decade carries a huge amount of risk for our list profile.

I'm not opposed to drafting him, but I do acknowledge that he plays in the one position that is not a need for our list (and if another club wants to pay to trade up for him I would absolutely consider it if he was there at 8 and they wanted him!).

You said:
and you want to take Busslinger on the potential he may be better than Edwards or Bazzo, or the potential that he, Bazzo or Edwards might be able to play forward. It's a contradiction.

This is incorrect I never said these words. It cant be a contradiction if I never said it. Also the way you are using the word potential is disingenuous, if I applied it the way you are I could say I'm drafting Ashcroft on the potential he will be better than X Oneil when in reality Ashcroft has shown far more talent than Oneil albeit at a junior level, I believe the same can be said for Busslinger when comparing him to someone like Edwards in particular, the gulf in talent seems rather wide, I would also say Busslinger is not exactly a speculative pick and that continuing to put time into an Edwards may not yield great results given his physical limitations in athleticism and skill.

You said:
However he absolutely does not play a position of need for us.

I already detailed in my last post how he is a need so we have to agree to disagree there.

You said
We're screaming out for Mids (inside, balanced - we are probably OK for developing outside mids at this stage unless a potentially elite one slips - i.e. Tsatsas), small forwards (we need at least 1), HBF (probably need one - or we will be taking our outside mids to put here)

Never said we didnt need those things but difference is I think we need a bit of everything.

You said
I'm not opposed to drafting him, but I do acknowledge that he plays in the one position that is not a need for our list (and if another club wants to pay to trade up for him I would absolutely consider it if he was there at 8 and they wanted him!).

I highly doubt anyone would want to pay to trade up and get him but I am open. Again disagree he is not a need as already outlined, Ive explained my reasoning so I wont go over it again.

You said:
So taking a KPD with the highest pick we have had in over a decade carries a huge amount of risk for our list profile. I'm not opposed to drafting him

This doesnt make sense to me, why would you not be opposed to drafting him if you believe he carries a huge amount of risk ??? Sounds like a contradiction ?

 

[Dark Sharks]

Isn’t this ^


Just this though?

Yes yes, my contradiction is out of control.

But I was more implying that I really don't want Simpson attempting to turn one of our CURRENT crop of slow, ageing midfield plodders into poor half forwards, like he's tried previously. Kelly excluded.

Jones is completely different to what we currently have in our midfield, his athletic profile is off the charts, plays a small forward already at WAFL league level and he's so creative and zippy i think he'd be suited to it. Best Rioli replacement we could hope. No guarantees of course. In fact only a few weeks ago i was arguing the same thing with Obeanie you are right now, but then I watched a bit more of him, just how much of a natural footballer he was, how much he pressured the opposition, then he went and blitzed the combine. I'm on board.


Let's just say I'd be more excited about Jones as a small forward than I would be about drafting Konstanty, and Konstanty is a legitimate small forward, just of the Legdon variety.