List Mgmt. Christmas comes early (Nov 28 - 19 sleeps) - Draftee discussion

[Keys]

Link to draft picks held by each club

 

[dajesmac]

Trade Rioli and 39 for Georgiades

Trade 20 and 26 to Brisbane for pick 15

North take Wardlaw

GWS give us 3 and 19 so they can take Sheezel or Cadman

Essendon give us 4 and 22 so they can take Cadman or Sheezel

We take one of MacKenzie, Phillipou or Clarke at 4

Still have 15,19,22

Walk away with Georgiades and 4 picks inside the top 22 with only Rioli walking out the door and all our future picks intact

Love this but can’t see Port being enthused by that offer for Georgiades

 

[ukurrie]

I saw Bazzo and Chesser at the WAFL GF yesterday. Chesser is a very solid lad, he reminds me of Leigh Matthews for some reason.

No wonder they had to go with the 'relaxed fit' jumper cut after the draft

 

[Hazardinho]

Very little love for Tsatas around here

Sheezel is recognised as a great talent but concerns are that he might be a flight risk

Begrudgingly accepting Cadman as our best option with pick 2 given our midfield weaknesses

Plenty of discussion around whether given the above we’d be better splitting pick 2 if a good offer comes for it

Wardlaw is probably the best player you guys could hope for! Looks unlikely now. Sheezel I’d go for if you guys don’t end up trading it tbh. I don’t know what you guys would want for pick 2, how could Essendon trade up for your pick. I doubt pick 4 and 22 is enough. Next years draft looks strong, so ideally wouldn’t want to trade out from their.
I don’t particularly want Tsatas either, I’d rather get McKenzie or Phillipou or just trade the pick to get into next years draft.

 

[briztoon]

Pick 18 is hefty price to move up from 3 to 2. Do you think GWS would do the trade? I'd gladly say yes to it from WCE perspective.

GWS traded pick 3 and 16 to Brisbane for pick 2 and some late picks, back in 2016.

If GWS really want Cadman, and he should be their priority, they should want to try and move up before another team gets in first.

You would think North should want to prioritise Cadman as well, but would they be willing to use pick one on him.

 

[briztoon]

So would I but I it’s hard to imagine a scenario where that happened unless GWS are that desperate for Cadman and we tell them we are taking Cadman.

A big incentive for GWS will be getting in before another club trades up to pick 2.

Ideally, North should want to try and get pick 2, so they can get Wardlaw and Cadman.


My main concern for West Coast, is that they really shouldn’t want to trade any further back that pick 5 or 6.

And if I were West Coast, I’d have McKenzie as my preferred pick, and if possible I’d be targeting Hotton with your second pick, which might mean trading up to around the pick 15/16 range.

 

[Keys]

A big incentive for GWS will be getting in before another club trades up to pick 2.

Ideally, North should want to try and get pick 2, so they can get Wardlaw and Cadman.


My main concern for West Coast, is that they really shouldn’t want to trade any further back that pick 5 or 6.

And if I were West Coast, I’d have McKenzie as my preferred pick, and if possible I’d be targeting Hotton with your second pick, which might mean trading up to around the pick 15/16 range.

Do you think North might still consider splitting pick 1 or is that notion out the door now?

 

[juddy_Like]

Do you think North might still consider splitting pick 1 or is that notion out the door now?

Surely the perception of 'losing' two Pick 1 in a row is enough for them to keep it. Especially now that they will probably get Pick 8 or higher along with it.

 

[briztoon]

Do you think North might still consider splitting pick 1 or is that notion out the door now?

Depends. They could take the Port offer and take Wardlaw at 1 and Jefferson at 8. That’s what I believe makes sense for them.

I really liked your double slide back trades.

2 for 3 and 18.

Then 3 for 4 and 22.

Leaves you 4, 18, 20, 22, 26, 27, 39.

Package 26, 27 and 39 for our 15.

So 4, 15, 18, 20, 22.

4. McKenzie
15. Hotton
18. ???
20. ???
22. ???

 

[TerryFilk]

Depends. They could take the Port offer and take Wardlaw at 1 and Jefferson at 8. That’s what I believe makes sense for them.

I really liked your double slide back trades.

2 for 3 and 18.

Then 3 for 4 and 22.

Leaves you 4, 18, 20, 22, 26, 27, 39.

Package 26, 27 and 39 for our 15.

So 4, 15, 20, 22.

4. McKenzie
15. Hotton
20. ???
22. ???

If them GWS and Essendon deals are on the table, you obviously take them, but I’d prefer Phillipou or Tsatas over McKenzie personally

 

[Opposite Kids]

Random but if we slide back I have a feel we may go Humphrey - looks like he fits the bill for what we need but don’t follow the draft but could be a Smokey

 

[AsterixTheGaul]

A big incentive for GWS will be getting in before another club trades up to pick 2.

Ideally, North should want to try and get pick 2, so they can get Wardlaw and Cadman.


My main concern for West Coast, is that they really shouldn’t want to trade any further back that pick 5 or 6.

And if I were West Coast, I’d have McKenzie as my preferred pick, and if possible I’d be targeting Hotton with your second pick, which might mean trading up to around the pick 15/16 range.

Only problem for GWS trading for 2 is who do they take if Norf take Cadman?

I think Norf should be more pragmatic and get 1 and 2 this year and take a Cadman and Sheezel as once they add Logue, their defence is looking OK. No pace in the forward line, Cadman adds to their KPF requirement and they have a bunch of mids that are developing.

In the McCluggage draft year, GWS had a major boner for McGrath and Essendon wanted to restore hope in retaining the No 1 pick (after the player ban saga).

What we need is competition for pick 2.
- Norf - as per above
- GWS - as per above
- Suns - because they don't value draft picks
- Lions - to satisfy Dogs for Dunkley
- Freo - to satisfy Dees for Jackson
- Port - to satisfy Norf for JHF
- Essendon and Hawks to get Sheezel which they both really need


There are enough moving parts. Our job is to wait for the calls. Not initiate them, wait. Hopefully it is a sellers market.

How far back would I move?

I'd be happy with one of McKenzie/Hollands/Phillipou/Clarke with a pick at the 4-8 range and then Hotton/Gibney/Hustwaite with a pick in the 13-16 range.

I would also consider moving back to pick 12-14 if it involved something like another pick before 20 and a R1 next year (even if we drop them a R3 back in 2023 depending which club's R1 it was)

 

[briztoon]

Only problem for GWS trading for 2 is who do they take if Norf take Cadman?

I think Norf should be more pragmatic and get 1 and 2 this year and take a Cadman and Sheezel as once they add Logue, their defence is looking OK. No pace in the forward line, Cadman adds to their KPF requirement and they have a bunch of mids that are developing.

In the McCluggage draft year, GWS had a major boner for McGrath and Essendon wanted to restore hope in retaining the No 1 pick (after the player ban saga).

What we need is competition for pick 2.
- Norf - as per above
- GWS - as per above
- Suns - because they don't value draft picks
- Lions - to satisfy Dogs for Dunkley
- Freo - to satisfy Dees for Jackson
- Port - to satisfy Norf for JHF
- Essendon and Hawks to get Sheezel which they both really need


There are enough moving parts. Our job is to wait for the calls. Not initiate them, wait. Hopefully it is a sellers market.

How far back would I move?

I'd be happy with one of McKenzie/Hollands/Phillipou/Clarke with a pick at the 4-8 range and then Hotton/Gibney/Hustwaite with a pick in the 13-16 range.

I would also consider moving back to pick 12-14 if it involved something like another pick before 20 and a R1 next year (even if we drop them a R3 back in 2023 depending which club's R1 it was)

I 100% agree there is a risk for any team trading for pick 2.

 

[AsterixTheGaul]

I 100% agree there is a risk for any team trading for pick 2.

But especially GWs as they do not need to trade up for yet another midfielder.

 

[MaxHunt]

Depends. They could take the Port offer and take Wardlaw at 1 and Jefferson at 8. That’s what I believe makes sense for them.

I really liked your double slide back trades.

2 for 3 and 18.

Then 3 for 4 and 22.

Leaves you 4, 18, 20, 22, 26, 27, 39.

Package 26, 27 and 39 for our 15.

So 4, 15, 20, 22.

4. McKenzie
15. Hotton
20. ???
22. ???

Where did 18 go?

 

[Bacchus]

If Sheezels available at pick 2 you take him.

If he's a flight risk you'll get good picks back or players in a couple of years.



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Theoretically the statement that we can’t really lose if we pick someone like Sheezel and he leaves after two years is correct.

However, the situation is not as simple as it appears. If the player is unhappy and doesn’t play to his potential then his value may decline.

Secondly and perhaps more importantly, it sets back a rebuild if one of the key planks of the rebuild leaves after two years. You have to start again as far as that player and his role is concerned. This is what has been happening with GC - they have to keep starting again all the time. So it‘s definitely preferable to choose a player who is not likely to leave.

 

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[AsterixTheGaul]

The key to the possible picks will line up with:

1. Who gets the Suns pick 7
2. Horn Francis
3. Jackson
4. Dunkley

Will the clubs who are all reluctant sellers want a pointy end or multiple.

If Hawks get 7, do they use it or sell 6 and 7 for 2 (Sheezel) and 20
If Geelong get 7, I can see them holding it for Clark (maybe too late in my opinion) and I can also see them splitting it for a late R1 to Pies and a late R1 to GWS
If Essendon get it, they will likely use it but might leap ahead for pick 2 (trade of 2 26 27 for 4 7 and a future 3rd - they will need Davy points)

 

[Dark Sharks]

2 for 3 and 18.

Then 3 for 4 and 22.

Leaves you 4, 18, 20, 22, 26, 27, 39.

Package 26, 27 and 39 for our 15.

So 4, 15, 20, 22.

I too, enjoy football.

 

[Schtinker]

I'm hoping we keep our powder dry til draft night and not do anything with pick 2 and 20 until then if anything.
With the incoming Hunt taking a spot on our list that leaves us with 4 Main list picks.
26, 27 and 39 for Robertson and pick 15 which values Robertson at pick 25 would leave us 3 spots and 3 picks.

 

[eaglespremiers]

After the interview with O'Brien today where one of the journalists asked him pointedly about taking a player like Horne-Francis with a known "go-home" factor (i.e. Sheezel) and O'Brien stipulating that they "won't be put off in any way" there's really no excuse for us to make the mistake of taking Sheezel if we have any inkling that he is likely to want to return to Melbourne in the next couple of years.

 

[Carbine Chaos]

After the interview with O'Brien today where one of the journalists asked him pointedly about taking a player like Horne-Francis with a known "go-home" factor (i.e. Sheezel) and O'Brien stipulating that they "won't be put off in any way" there's really no excuse for us to make the mistake of taking Sheezel if we have any inkling that he is likely to want to return to Melbourne in the next couple of years.

I don’t like this mindset.

You’ve got to back yourself as a club that you’ll win the player over once he joins. Build that connection so he won’t want to leave.

If you fail, take your licks and get full value, but I hope we take the best option regardless of supposed ‘go home’ concerns.

 

[briztoon]

Somehow, I don't believe you'll be finishing bottom next year. And we're likely to see more Priority Picks handed out to North next year.

 

[Sammy J]

I don’t like this mindset.

You’ve got to back yourself as a club that you’ll win the player over once he joins. Build that connection so he won’t want to leave.

If you fail, take your licks and get full value, but I hope we take the best option regardless of supposed ‘go home’ concerns.

Would be significantly limiting our talent capability if we neglected all Victorian players. Worked out pretty well last time we had a “go home” factor. Juddy won a brownlow, captained the club to a flag, played incredibly footy for 140 odd games and the delivered us a Coleman medalist.

 

[briztoon]

I don’t like this mindset.

You’ve got to back yourself as a club that you’ll win the player over once he joins. Build that connection so he won’t want to leave.

If you fail, take your licks and get full value, but I hope we take the best option regardless of supposed ‘go home’ concerns.

Also puts teams on notice that they'll have to trade up for xxx player, if they really want him, rather than waiting for interstate teams to pass on them.

 

[juddy_Like]

Somehow, I don't believe you'll be finishing bottom next year. And we're likely to see more Priority Picks handed out to North next year.

This.
If North finish last again, expect Pick 1 to be donated (ON TOP)