Politics Climate Change Paradox (cont in part 2)

Should we act now, or wait for a unified global approach


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I couldnt care less what you think about me. I asked people not to quote studies funded by fossil fuel companies here, apparently that's too much to ask for. Time and time again he has quoted such studies.

It would be tough to spend ten million dollars per min of hand-outs

The fossil fuel industry is going to have to fund some studies
 
It would be tough to spend ten million dollars per min of hand-outs

The fossil fuel industry is going to have to fund some studies

Oh they absolutely will, as long as institutes like the Heartland is active, they will be out to prove things like Coca Cola doesn't make you fat, Tobacco doesn't harm you etc etc.
 

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"but it's still hot in Perth omg"



April 11 (CNN) – People in the northern Indian state of Punjab are reacting with awe at the sight of the Himalayan mountain range, which is now visible from more than 100 miles away due to the reduction in air pollution caused by the country’s coronavirus lockdown.

Indians in the city of Jalandhar and the surrounding area have posted photos online of the views from their homes, with some saying they haven’t seen the peaks of the Himalayas for decades.

“For the first time in almost 30 years (I) could clearly see the Himalayas due to India’s lockdown clearing air pollution. Just amazing,” Manjit Kang wrote.





The phenomenon is made possible by a dramatic improvement in air quality in recent weeks, after industries shut down, cars came off the road and airlines canceled flights in response to the coronavirus pandemic.

Delhi saw up to a 44% reduction in PM10 air pollution levels on the first day of its restrictions, India’s Central Pollution Control Board found. The PM10 standard measures airborne particulates 10 micrometers or smaller in diameter.

The report said that, in total, 85 cities across India saw less air pollution in the first week of the nationwide lockdown.

Meanwhile the air quality in Jalandhar, which sits more than 100 miles from the Himalayas, has been measured as “good” on the country’s national index for 16 of the 17 days since the nationwide lockdown was announced.

By contrast, the same 17-day period last year failed to register a single day of “good” air quality — and in the first 17 days of March this year, only three days saw “good” air quality.

The period has therefore marked an unintended but welcome breath of fresh air for the country’s crowded and polluted cities. India is home to 21 of the 30 worst polluted urban areas in the world, according to data compiled in IQAir AirVisual’s 2019 World Air Quality Report, with six in the top ten.

The nation has been in lockdown for more than two weeks, with Prime Minister Narendra Modi ordering “a total ban on venturing out of your homes.”

Only essential services have been operational, including water, electricity, health and fire services, groceries stores and municipal services. All other shops, commercial
 
For those who think it's as simple as planting trees, you may need to shift your paradigm.

"Our results call into question the predominant thinking that the capacity of forests to act as carbon sinks will be generally enhanced under eCO2, and challenge the efficacy of climate mitigation strategies that rely on ubiquitous CO2 fertilization as a driver of increased carbon sinks in global forests."

 
Surely it takes longer than a month for it to come good?

The virus has shown it's very possible to change things for the better

Two months actually, but I was responding to this pearler. #7,601

Talking about a hot day in Autumn in Perth as some sort of oblique reference confirming AGW. The irony being if he takes that data point to further an argument for AGW the relationship must be inverse since CO₂ emissions are now extraordinarily low and have been for the majority of 2020.
 
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Indian cities being clean point more towards population density being an issue than climate change.

If you left the city the Himalayas would be just as visible.

Yeah it's nothing to do with climate change. If you can see it then it's not carbon dioxide. The smog in Indian cities is due to particulates from old diesel vehicles, farmers burning off crop stubble, road dust and construction dust, and people burning dirty locally collected crap in their homes.
 

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Eddie they campaigner made an interesting point today if I heard him correctly.

Something about an unusual, maybe God given opportunity we have now - where the cogs of capitalist consumerism are surprisingly turning less fast.

To recalibrate the way we go about things
 
Snakey, you owe me a beer cause i am giving you a tip for new materials (you must be sick of quoting tony watts and twitter anyway). Heartland has launched a new website to combat climate 'science'.


Heartland had to lay off 1/3rd of their workforce, so sad. I wonder if most of them are going to join Exxon Mobil , Coca Cola or Philip Morris now?
 
They really need to stop predicting stuff. Summer in Australia have bush fires and they can be bad. Anyone can predict this its been happening for ever.

Rainfall has been great across all the states. They cant even get 6 months right but they can predict the long term future.


No rain until MAY: Forecasters warn that there will be no significant rainfall for six months as experts warn of worst bushfire season ever

Australia is set to swelter for another six months before the first significant rainfall, forecasters have warned.

The Bureau of Meteorology made the stark warning for New South Wales, Queensland and Victoria at a meeting of state and federal ministers in the regional New South Wales town of Moree on Tuesday.
 
They really need to stop predicting stuff. Summer in Australia have bush fires and they can be bad. Anyone can predict this its been happening for ever.

Rainfall has been great across all the states. They cant even get 6 months right but they can predict the long term future.


No rain until MAY: Forecasters warn that there will be no significant rainfall for six months as experts warn of worst bushfire season ever

Australia is set to swelter for another six months before the first significant rainfall, forecasters have warned.

The Bureau of Meteorology made the stark warning for New South Wales, Queensland and Victoria at a meeting of state and federal ministers in the regional New South Wales town of Moree on Tuesday.
Weather <> Climate

Surely people should know this basic stuff before they start commenting?
 
I'm not holding any great hope, but I hope our feds are forward thinking like this.

"Climate change hasn’t disappeared with the advent of COVID-19. So on the contrary, we must kill two birds with one stone to revive the economy," explains Pascal Canfin, chair of the Environment Committee at the European Parliament. "We need to do it from an economic and employment point of view, but to do it in a way that supports those sectors which are providing solutions to the climate crisis."

 
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