Opinion Cloke Megathread 2 - Plan B's, Contract Talks on hold till end of season

[jonbe54]

Would never boo a Pies player, even one who went to *shudders* Carlton for cash. But my respect for him has plummeted, he needs to grow a set and take charge of his own life and career. Did he not see what his sensationally gifted manager/father did to his brothers careers???

 

[Kirby]

I agree although I must say that I will find it hard to hold my tongue if he misses shots from 20 meters out that cost us the game!

 

[The Royal Sampler]

Get FEV, give him a good pre season, we could easily get 2 years out of him, and GUARANTEED GOALS! FEV is one of the great full fowards of the past decade, never mind his off field crap, he has matured, he wont want to lose his wife and kids again, give him a chance.

No Fev, you haven't matured at all.

 

[Zahki]

I'd be rapt if he went to GWS, we'd get 2 1st rounders for sure. Beats the hell out of whatever we'd get from him leaving to Freo or Carlton. Then again by the way he's acted this entire year I think it's probably too much to hope that if he does leave he at least makes sure the club gets decent compensation.

 

[Baltimore Jack]

I'd be rapt if he went to GWS, we'd get 2 1st rounders for sure. Beats the hell out of whatever we'd get from him leaving to Freo or Carlton. Then again by the way he's acted this entire year I think it's probably too much to hope that if he does leave he at least makes sure the club gets decent compensation.

Why what has he done wrong?

 

[September Action]

I don't mind resting Trav this week and telling Dawesy to get it done. Could help with both players' head space.


Or,


Dawesy might still be shit Trav might say "screw you" and that could be it for our flag chances this year.

 

[Zahki]

Why what has he done wrong?

What do you mean? I was saying he has no problem holding his club to ransom and taking money out of the pockets of his teammates by demanding more than he's worth so it's pretty obvious he would have no interest in at least leaving us with the best possible deal if he accepts a better offer. Even Judd had the good grace to ensure West Coast got proper compensation, but I'm not expecting Cloke to have the same decency.

 

[Baltimore Jack]

What do you mean? I was saying he has no problem holding his club to ransom and taking money out of the pockets of his teammates by demanding more than he's worth so it's pretty obvious he would have no interest in at least leaving us with the best possible deal if he accepts a better offer. Even Judd had the good grace to ensure West Coast got proper compensation, but I'm not expecting Cloke to have the same decency.

As far as I know he hasn't done anything of the kind.
Who's money has he taken?
The Club called off negotiations not Cloke
If its so obvious answer those two points

 

[Zahki]

As far as I know he hasn't done anything of the kind.
Who's money has he taken?

No-ones yet, but he's trying to. He's got his fingers in his teammates pockets grubbing around for anything he can get. You know how all the players say they know they have to accept less to stay at the club than they could get elsewhere? You know why that is right? Do you understand what a Salary Cap is? For every dollar we pay Cloke over what we can it means it gets taken out of the pay of another player. To accomodate what Cloke is asking for me might need to slice 50k a year out of Beams, Sidebottoms and Reids contracts. Is that fair? After all those 3 players are already accepting far less than they could get elsewhere, think of the offers Beams alone must have on the table right now, a hell of a lot more than what he's getting thats for sure. Are you alright with Cloke taking a slice of what they would be getting otherwise to keep him? Stop white knighting Clokes greed.

The Club called off negotiations not Cloke

Yes because it was obvious what a farce it had become. The club made it's best offer months ago, it's not going to change. Cloke has 2 options, accept it or go elsewhere, it's not a matter of trying to get more money there IS NO more money to give, so does he want to stay at Collingwood or not? The longer he stalls the more likely it is that the answer is "No" and he's chasing the cash.

One more thing, we have a player who might well be one of the best Collingwood players EVER by the end of his career, he wears number 10. He got his contract sorted early in the year, he made his decision to stay and so he stayed. I guarantee you 2 things, 1. GWS offered Pendlebury more than they're offering Cloke. Sheedy would've given his left nut to get Pendles as would the coaches of all clubs, if you think that Scully was their main target all along you're deluded. 2. Pendleburys current contract is probably less than what Cloke is asking for. It's a very stark contrast on how 2 of our best players conducted their contract talks. Pendlebury deserves all the kudos he gets for the way he dealt with his own contract negotiations, he knew it would be a huge distraction during the year and got it done early. Cloke is deliberately creating a huge media kerfuffle for his own benefit to the detriment of his teammates.

 

[Markfs]

**** that...... How about we treat him like he's treated the club??

Personally, I hope he leaves.... He's proven he didn't care who had to be squeezed out to allow his big ego to stay... Do we really want someone like that at the club anyway??

Geez.... this isnt a marriage. And yes, if he accepts the contract we offered him, I want him to stay. He takes the most contested marks in the league. We all know that.... and its worth having him stay. I am saying that if we abuse him too much now, he will think that he can't come back. We dont want him thinking that..... I know you're angry wicksy, but we need to stay calm.

FORGODSAKE!!!! Who will feed the Clokes if Travis doesnt get a contract!!! Lives are on the line!

 

[rustyg70]

The way you guys are carrying on about Cloke gives me the shits.
He is still a Collingwood player.
All this talk about booing him at games and rallying out side of the club is rediculous.
WE ARE COLLINGWOOD NOT RICHMOND.
GROW UP.

 

[the distributer]

No Fev, you haven't matured at all.

Funnily enough i'd doubt Fev could have caused as much trouble within the group as Cloke 'apparently' has, would have been in better form to i'd bet, i'd have no problem at all in the club giving Fev ago, what harm could it do?

 

[Baltimore Jack]

No-ones yet, but he's trying to. He's got his fingers in his teammates pockets grubbing around for anything he can get. You know how all the players say they know they have to accept less to stay at the club than they could get elsewhere? You know why that is right? Do you understand what a Salary Cap is? For every dollar we pay Cloke over what we can it means it gets taken out of the pay of another player. To accomodate what Cloke is asking for me might need to slice 50k a year out of Beams, Sidebottoms and Reids contracts. Is that fair? After all those 3 players are already accepting far less than they could get elsewhere, think of the offers Beams alone must have on the table right now, a hell of a lot more than what he's getting thats for sure. Are you alright with Cloke taking a slice of what they would be getting otherwise to keep him? Stop white knighting Clokes greed.

Yes because it was obvious what a farce it had become. The club made it's best offer months ago, it's not going to change. Cloke has 2 options, accept it or go elsewhere, it's not a matter of trying to get more money there IS NO more money to give, so does he want to stay at Collingwood or not? The longer he stalls the more likely it is that the answer is "No" and he's chasing the cash.

One more thing, we have a player who might well be one of the best Collingwood players EVER by the end of his career, he wears number 10. He got his contract sorted early in the year, he made his decision to stay and so he stayed. I guarantee you 2 things, 1. GWS offered Pendlebury more than they're offering Cloke. Sheedy would've given his left nut to get Pendles as would the coaches of all clubs, if you think that Scully was their main target all along you're deluded. 2. Pendleburys current contract is probably less than what Cloke is asking for. It's a very stark contrast on how 2 of our best players conducted their contract talks. Pendlebury deserves all the kudos he gets for the way he dealt with his own contract negotiations, he knew it would be a huge distraction during the year and got it done early. Cloke is deliberately creating a huge media kerfuffle for his own benefit to the detriment of his teammates.

No-ones yet, but he's trying to. He's got his fingers in his teammates pockets grubbing around for anything he can get. You know how all the players say they know they have to accept less to stay at the club than they could get elsewhere? You know why that is right? Do you understand what a Salary Cap is? For every dollar we pay Cloke over what we can it means it gets taken out of the pay of another player. To accomodate what Cloke is asking for me might need to slice 50k a year out of Beams, Sidebottoms and Reids contracts. Is that fair? After all those 3 players are already accepting far less than they could get elsewhere, think of the offers Beams alone must have on the table right now, a hell of a lot more than what he's getting thats for sure. Are you alright with Cloke taking a slice of what they would be getting otherwise to keep him? Stop white knighting Clokes greed.

Yes because it was obvious what a farce it had become. The club made it's best offer months ago, it's not going to change. Cloke has 2 options, accept it or go elsewhere, it's not a matter of trying to get more money there IS NO more money to give, so does he want to stay at Collingwood or not? The longer he stalls the more likely it is that the answer is "No" and he's chasing the cash.

One more thing, we have a player who might well be one of the best Collingwood players EVER by the end of his career, he wears number 10. He got his contract sorted early in the year, he made his decision to stay and so he stayed. I guarantee you 2 things, 1. GWS offered Pendlebury more than they're offering Cloke. Sheedy would've given his left nut to get Pendles as would the coaches of all clubs, if you think that Scully was their main target all along you're deluded. 2. Pendleburys current contract is probably less than what Cloke is asking for. It's a very stark contrast on how 2 of our best players conducted their contract talks. Pendlebury deserves all the kudos he gets for the way he dealt with his own contract negotiations, he knew it would be a huge distraction during the year and got it done early. Cloke is deliberately creating a huge media kerfuffle for his own benefit to the detriment of his teammates.

None of what you wrote is factual.

It is just your opinion, which I fully accept you are entitled to, but please don't try to pass it off as reality, its just a rant based on urban myth, media beat up and sprinkled with a little bit of emotive condescending fantasy

 

[daics_35]

I really hope he has a big game on Saturday and get's back into form. I think we will respect him much more if he leaves us trying and putting his body on the line rather than leaving the club by playing out the season like he has been playing the last two weeks. I am also sure he would want to play in a premiership as well this year, so I think he will be back. Let's win the flag this year and then we can let him go and look forward to the future.

 

[Quicky]

I'm not 100% convinced he is gone although I concede it is not looking good.

I am pissed at the divisive influence this whole situation appears to have had on the side. It's really sucked the fun out of what should be a season everyone enjoys. This is our time right now and rightly or wrongly it seems Cloke is throwing that away for a bit more coin and his own interests. I think that is where much of the derision from the army comes from.

Irrespective of the outcome, if he stays or leaves, I think we have a very shrewd football department and that ultimately we'll get what is in the best interests of the club.

 

[Matz]

As much as everyone including myself hates Damian Barrett i am interested to see what info he has about the Cloke saga.

 

[the distributer]

As much as everyone including myself hates Damian Barrett i am interested to see what info he has about the Cloke saga.

Be assured he'll make up something.

 

[Matz]

Be assured he'll make up something.

I have no doubt it will be exaggerated but he does tend to give some true information from time to time

 

[Old Spice]

None of what you wrote is factual.

It is just your opinion, which I fully accept you are entitled to, but please don't try to pass it off as reality, its just a rant based on urban myth, media beat up and sprinkled with a little bit of emotive condescending fantasy

By all means be optimistic, but come off it mate. It's not 'opinion' that we have a set cap and that money taken by one player means less for another. There's nothing opinion based about set numbers.

And if you can't set yourself up for life on 3-4 million dollars above what you've already earnt, I'm heckin'g stumped. It really is ludicrous.

 

[BEEG]

Would like him to stay we won't make the 4 without him

But I'm seriously sick of hearing about it can't we just have a season without drama last year was bad enough

 

[Raymond Rougeau]

Hats off to the club and all the other players for commiting or signing on (think goldie may be only one left now)

Love the club! Do not hold
It hostage !

There moving on and I'm sure there doing there own sniffing around cause we may (or may not) need a plan b

 

[HFF]

Nothing new on the Cloke front.

Collingwood calling the Cloke camps bluff.

Sticky point is the 5th year of the contact, pies want it performance based, Cloke camp do not.

Realistically, its becoming childish. We should just offer the $$$$$ we already have over 5 yrs unconditional. It will still work out cheap for us as he will be veterans listed by then.

With offers from Freo and Melb, it seems highly unlikely Trav will leave.

He will stay .

 

[TradeDraft]

Nothing new on the Cloke front.

Collingwood calling the Cloke camps bluff.

Sticky point is the 5th year of the contact, pies want it performance based, Cloke camp do not.

Realistically, its becoming childish. We should just offer the $$$$$ we already have over 5 yrs unconditional. It will still work out cheap for us as he will be veterans listed by then.

With offers from Freo and Melb, it seems highly unlikely Trav will leave.

He will stay .

Was that from the Ambulance Chaser - Damien Barret?

I think at seasons end we will offer him a Similar or Same Deal and it be take it or F**k Off

 

[Dundalis]

If they take him as an uncontracted player, the compensation pick/s comes from the AFL.

If they take him as a RFA, who knows what the hell will happen, but they wouldn't be losing any RFAs themselves with the experience of their list. They'd definitely be taking at least as many RFAs as they'll lose (ie. none) as far as the formula is concerned.

What possible reason would they have to take him as an uncontracted player if they could take him as a RFA with no other consequences for them? They have no reason to help reward another club, and it would probably be in their best interest not to, as it would provide us another pick, which when used would mean all other clubs get pushed down a pick in that draft, including GWS. Not a major issue for them by any means, but something they can avoid with little issue it seems.

 

[HFF]

Was that from the Ambulance Chaser - Damien Barret?

I think at seasons end we will offer him a Similar or Same Deal and it be take it or F**k Off

Yeh from Barrett.