Robbo very confident that Hird will coach this year and next just now on 360. Club understands players are in an almighty funk due to WADA.
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So you're counting large losses when the players were told that finals is no go and we lost the last 6 heavily?
C'mon mate. Why is everyone being so dishonest and selective.
You forget we lost to the Saints and Melbourne last year when we had a healthy list, a great coach and they were absolute poo.
Think its time some supporters on here backed Hird and the club and stopped gnawing on the edge. Not doing anybody any good.
Reassess next year once we get some draft picks and a bit of list turnover and see how we go. Results don't go to plan by this time mid year then by all means go for it. Let it all out.
Until then, stick by the players, coach and everyone involved and stop this hate.
eth-dog
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Sorry, James Hird is a perfect coach and has no deficiencies at all
Sorry, James Hird is a perfect coach and has no deficiencies at all
Don't claim he has deficiences then run away when facts are presented that contradict it. What deficincies and why weren't they shown up them.
No thanks
eth-dog
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You're attacking everyone who doesn't think he's perfect in this thread. I've posted these deficiencies several times, mostly in response to YOUR posts. I really can't be stuffed posting them again when I know you'll simply ignore them and then in a few days come on and complain about how everybody who thinks he's not perfect is a "hater".
Sorry but 2013 was no different to the other years. Same slide.
At least we didn't look completely hopeless in those losses last year. Sure they were terrible, but there is no denying that we went backwards.
Don't necessarily completely disagree but our slides most years have coincided with either a saga of massive injury toll. We just cannot get things right in any sense for a long enough period of time.
I'm willing to write this year completely off but it things don't improve by this time next year I'll be calling for his head also. Not sure how its all bad for the anti Hird brigade though.
If he can't coach it means we finish lower on the ladder and get better draft picks. Something this club needs is more talent. Not easy to get when GWS and GC have picked the eyes out of the draft the last 5 years.
Simple question. How were his deficiencies masked when we were 13-3?
No question giving him the chop now is probably pointless as for the many reasons already pointed out. However, not sure why those who seem to be pro Hird can't see it from the other pov. Nearly everything that can be seen as hampering his ability coach is a result of his time as the main man. He came to the job with zero hours of coaching experience, zero. He then directly led the club down a path which leads to now. People in footy lose jobs every day, you stuff up, you're gone, right or wrong that's what happens.
He has hung on through this thing so tightly it's dramatically effected his reputation among even Essendon fans. He could've stepped down when shit hit the fan and if he is as passionate about coaching as he says is, what's to stop him coming back in 3 or 5 or even 10 years. But that's too late now.
And I don't buy this crap when Essendon fans say 'don't be a Richmond or Carlton' or ' now is the time to stick fat' .Give me a spell! Fans of this club have put up with incompetence for the past 15 years. People are allowed to be angry at where we are at and if that means they want someone gone well so be it.
He has hung on through this thing so tightly it's dramatically effected his reputation among even Essendon fans. He could've stepped down when shit hit the fan and if he is as passionate about coaching as he says is, what's to stop him coming back in 3 or 5 or even 10 years. But that's too late now.
And I don't buy this crap when Essendon fans say 'don't be a Richmond or Carlton' or ' now is the time to stick fat' .Give me a spell! Fans of this club have put up with incompetence for the past 15 years. People are allowed to be angry at where we are at and if that means they want someone gone well so be it.
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No one can dismiss the saga and say it hasn't had an impact on the players, I can recall multiple occasions where it has affected the players eg (losing against Brisbane when it was the interview week).
The players have finally hit the wall, they are mental exhausted and look like they don't want to play football anymore.
They have had 3 years of uncertainty hanging over their careers, in hindsight accepting a similar penalty like the NRL if it was on the table would of been better.
The players have finally hit the wall, they are mental exhausted and look like they don't want to play football anymore.
They have had 3 years of uncertainty hanging over their careers, in hindsight accepting a similar penalty like the NRL if it was on the table would of been better.
Hird as coach. Losses over 60 points:
2011
Hawthorn 65pts
Carlton 74pts
Collingwood 74pts
EF Carlton 62pts
2012
St Kilda 71pts
Geelong 67pts
Hawthorn 94pts
Carlton 96pts
2013
Collingwood 79pts
Smashed by Hawthorn and West Coast too, just not over 60 points
2015
Geelong 69pts
St Kilda 110pts
Unacceptable really. Our percentage is never really good because of these massive losses.
2011
Hawthorn 65pts
Carlton 74pts
Collingwood 74pts
EF Carlton 62pts
2012
St Kilda 71pts
Geelong 67pts
Hawthorn 94pts
Carlton 96pts
2013
Collingwood 79pts
Smashed by Hawthorn and West Coast too, just not over 60 points
2015
Geelong 69pts
St Kilda 110pts
Unacceptable really. Our percentage is never really good because of these massive losses.
ManWithNoName
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Don't be dishonest? You said two finals appearances. So when was the second finals appearance under Hird?
And yeah, 2 (not 3) finals appearances for 2 comfortable losses. That's what we should be aiming for.
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And our inability to slaughter bad teams, except Melbourne in 2013 and GC in 2011
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With all this talk of sacking Hird a.s.a.p one could be forgiven of thinking Hird is not under contract. When you start sacking legends of the club midway through their contract the damage done to club culture goes far deeper than a 20 goal loss to St Kilda.
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What damage does it do to the club culture when you hold off sacking your coach because of what he did as a player (or indeed, you sack a coach and hire a new coach based on what the new coach did as a player)
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Can we get a list of exactly which Journalists called for Hird to step down/be sacked during 2013 to 2014 so we can instantly know which of these muppets are not credible?
How many finals did we win that year or any other year , for that matter ?
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While I can understand the argument that there is nothing to be gained from cutting Hird loose pre CAS, there is a train of thought that there are positives to be gained from acting sooner rather than later.
We see most struggling sides go through a form spike post midseason coaching change - mostly due to the increased hope and confidence generated as a result. It doesn't necessarily matter who the interim coach is.
I don't believe you can underestimate how important hope is to a downtrodden group. Whether you've been pro-Hird or anti-Hird throughout ASAGA, I'm not sure you could argue that having him constantly around the players doesn't serve as a stark reminder as to the absolute shit the club has put the players through.
It's pretty clear Hird has lost the players - not moving him on means we are simply treading water, and if we keep going like this we run the risk of things getting even worse before they get better
We see most struggling sides go through a form spike post midseason coaching change - mostly due to the increased hope and confidence generated as a result. It doesn't necessarily matter who the interim coach is.
I don't believe you can underestimate how important hope is to a downtrodden group. Whether you've been pro-Hird or anti-Hird throughout ASAGA, I'm not sure you could argue that having him constantly around the players doesn't serve as a stark reminder as to the absolute shit the club has put the players through.
It's pretty clear Hird has lost the players - not moving him on means we are simply treading water, and if we keep going like this we run the risk of things getting even worse before they get better
His standing as a player should have nothing to do with how he is judged on his job as a coach , if anyone but Hird had put the club through the hell of the last few years they wouldn't of made it to 2015 .
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Does not matter!!!!!!!! We were 13-3 and going for top spot!!!!!!!!! bloody Asada !!!!!!!!!!!!!! 13-3!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Top 2 Spot !!!!!!!!
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if you'd said Mr T, I'd say "hell no".
but seriously, it's a hypothetical question that can't be answered.
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