Collingwood 2016 Pre-Season Discussion

[Dynamics]

I'm gonna make the call and say that we should play Pendles 80% back and Swan 80% forward. It's time to have their class in the forward line and in defence and to take the load off them. Greenwood, Adams, De Goey, Crisp can all do the bulk of the centre-square crash and bash stuff.

Swanny I can see playing forward more and more but Pendles is one of the top couple of mids in the comp. He's the skipper and has broad enough shoulders.

 

[jmac70]

Marley is still alive and will play this week;

Some good news!

 

[Hardas]

The back-up ruck/3rd tall forward role, appears still very up for grabs.
1st choice ruck Grundy/Witts
Back-up ruck/3rd tall forward between White, Gault, Cox and Grundy/Witts (whoever misses 1st ruck role)
I'm not a huge fan of Moore being the 2nd tall forward and back-up ruckman.

I'm with you on that - whoever ends up as the second ruck, I'd rather see Moore focusing on his forward development.

 

[Stoods]

http://www.afl.com.au/news/2016-03-...-man-williams-set-for-return-against-bulldogs

Regarding Marley.. so it was a calf injury he had! the Marley Mystery has been confirmed!

 

[jmac70]

http://www.afl.com.au/news/2016-03-...-man-williams-set-for-return-against-bulldogs

Regarding Marley.. so it was a calf injury he had! the Marley Mystery has been confirmed!

AmellyPies was actually right about Williams.

 

[10571z]

Thank god Marley is back. One of our best backmen. So important to us.

 

[Finnishpie]

Swanny I can see playing forward more and more but Pendles is one of the top couple of mids in the comp. He's the skipper and has broad enough shoulders.

Yeah, but then again, look at Hodge and Mitchell for the Hawks - they too are top mids, skipper (and former skipper) with broad shoulders.

 

[Finnishpie]

I understand the theory. But I think at the end of the day, our coaching staff would be moronic to play one of the best 4 midfielders in the game, captain and proven match winner majority of the time behind the ball

As I said in another post - Hodge and Mitchell at the Hawks?

 

[TradeDraft]

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/a...d/news-story/4bfa7afe898c7170ee7e010bba0a6000

 

[Apex36]

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/a...d/news-story/4bfa7afe898c7170ee7e010bba0a6000

If you're going to post a paywalled article, at least post a brief snippet of what it's about...

 

[jmac70]

If you're going to post a paywalled article, at least post a brief snippet of what it's about...

Something about us having lots of mids with only one rated elite.

 

[Smokeyr67]

If you're going to post a paywalled article, at least post a brief snippet of what it's about...

an extra 16 likes for you

 

[TradeDraft]

If you're going to post a paywalled article, at least post a brief snippet of what it's about...

Okay - Talking about who has the Best Midfield in the AFL

 

[TradeDraft]

Something about us having lots of mids with only one rated elite.

and We have the most Mids in the Comp

 

[Anzacday]

For those who can't read it...

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/a...d/news-story/4bfa7afe898c7170ee7e010bba0a6000

COLLINGWOOD has the most midfielders of any club in the competition but are they any good?

The Magpies have 17 midfielders on their list with Scott Pendlebury the only player rated elite by Champion Data.

Dane Swan and Steele Sidebottom — both above average — round out the top three midfielders at coach Nathan Buckley’s disposal.

The problem for the Magpies, who many expect can break into the top eight on the back of a strong NAB Challenge, is too much is left on too few.

In short, the midfield unit as a whole lacks quality despite its apparent depth.

The midfield brigade is ranked 10th overall and 7th when only taking into account the top six players.

Champion Data rates Adam Treloar in the top 35 per cent of all midfielders in the competition (above average) with Levi Greenwood, Taylor Adams and Jack Crisp slotted in the average category.

Oh and before the Black and White Army cries foul... age and experience is not an excuse for quality.

Consider the Western Bulldogs who despite having one of the youngest lists boast the fourth best overall midfield ahead of Hawthorn, Port Adelaide and West Coast.

Sydney has the best midfield in the competition according to Champion Data’s quality ranking with Josh Kennedy the top-rated ball winner.

The Swans rank third when taking into the account the top six players behind Fremantle and a Geelong side bolstered with the addition of Patrick Dangerfield during the off season.

Richmond and North Melbourne are ranked 9th and 13th overall for midfield quality.

It should come as no surprise Essendon and Carlton have the worst ranked midfields in the competition.

The Gold Coast midfield is ranked 14th in overall quality but 6th when taking in only the best six on-ballers thanks to the Gary Ablett.

Club Quality Depth(All Listed Mids) Quality(Best Six Mids) Top-Rated
Sydney Swans 1st 11 (15th) 3rd Josh P. Kennedy
Fremantle 2nd 14 (4th) 1st Nat Fyfe
Geelong Cats 3rd 12 (12th) 2nd Patrick Dangerfield
Western Bulldogs 4th 13 (7th) 6th Marcus Bontempelli
Hawthorn 5th 11 (15th) 8th Sam Mitchell
Port Adelaide 6th 14 (4th) 4th Robbie Gray
West Coast Eagles 7th 13 (7th) 9th Matt Priddis
GWS Giants 8th 14 (4th) 12th Dylan Shiel
Richmond 9th 12 (12th) 11th Shane Edwards
Collingwood 10th 17 (1st) 7th Scott Pendlebury
Adelaide Crows 11th 13 (7th) 10th Rory Sloane
Brisbane Lions 12th 13 (7th) 13th Dayne Zorko
North Melbourne 13th 15 (3rd) 14th Ben Cunnington
Gold Coast Suns 14th 16 (2nd) 5th Gary Ablett
St Kilda 15th 11 (15th) 15th David Armitage
Melbourne 16th 13 (7th) 16th Nathan Jones
Essendon 17th 11 (18th) 18th Brendon Goddard
Carlton 18th 12 (12th) 17th Marc Murphy

 

[Dynamics]

Something about us having lots of mids with only one rated elite.

Is this related to that Champion Data thing? The one that said Nathan Krakouer is elite?

Gave me a good chuckle, that.

 

[Rusty22]

10th best midfeild..**** off lol

 

[Apex36]

For those who can't read it...

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/a...d/news-story/4bfa7afe898c7170ee7e010bba0a6000

COLLINGWOOD has the most midfielders of any club in the competition but are they any good?

The Magpies have 17 midfielders on their list with Scott Pendlebury the only player rated elite by Champion Data.

Dane Swan and Steele Sidebottom — both above average — round out the top three midfielders at coach Nathan Buckley’s disposal.

The problem for the Magpies, who many expect can break into the top eight on the back of a strong NAB Challenge, is too much is left on too few.

In short, the midfield unit as a whole lacks quality despite its apparent depth.

The midfield brigade is ranked 10th overall and 7th when only taking into account the top six players.

Champion Data rates Adam Treloar in the top 35 per cent of all midfielders in the competition (above average) with Levi Greenwood, Taylor Adams and Jack Crisp slotted in the average category.

Oh and before the Black and White Army cries foul... age and experience is not an excuse for quality.

Consider the Western Bulldogs who despite having one of the youngest lists boast the fourth best overall midfield ahead of Hawthorn, Port Adelaide and West Coast.

Sydney has the best midfield in the competition according to Champion Data’s quality ranking with Josh Kennedy the top-rated ball winner.

The Swans rank third when taking into the account the top six players behind Fremantle and a Geelong side bolstered with the addition of Patrick Dangerfield during the off season.

Richmond and North Melbourne are ranked 9th and 13th overall for midfield quality.

It should come as no surprise Essendon and Carlton have the worst ranked midfields in the competition.

The Gold Coast midfield is ranked 14th in overall quality but 6th when taking in only the best six on-ballers thanks to the Gary Ablett.

Club Quality Depth(All Listed Mids) Quality(Best Six Mids) Top-Rated
Sydney Swans 1st 11 (15th) 3rd Josh P. Kennedy
Fremantle 2nd 14 (4th) 1st Nat Fyfe
Geelong Cats 3rd 12 (12th) 2nd Patrick Dangerfield
Western Bulldogs 4th 13 (7th) 6th Marcus Bontempelli
Hawthorn 5th 11 (15th) 8th Sam Mitchell
Port Adelaide 6th 14 (4th) 4th Robbie Gray
West Coast Eagles 7th 13 (7th) 9th Matt Priddis
GWS Giants 8th 14 (4th) 12th Dylan Shiel
Richmond 9th 12 (12th) 11th Shane Edwards
Collingwood 10th 17 (1st) 7th Scott Pendlebury
Adelaide Crows 11th 13 (7th) 10th Rory Sloane
Brisbane Lions 12th 13 (7th) 13th Dayne Zorko
North Melbourne 13th 15 (3rd) 14th Ben Cunnington
Gold Coast Suns 14th 16 (2nd) 5th Gary Ablett
St Kilda 15th 11 (15th) 15th David Armitage
Melbourne 16th 13 (7th) 16th Nathan Jones
Essendon 17th 11 (18th) 18th Brendon Goddard
Carlton 18th 12 (12th) 17th Marc Murphy

Ha! Champion Data rankings... What a massive wank.

Their ranking system is completely flawed and not worth the paper it's written on. We'll see how good our midfield is in practice this year.

 

[boxy99]

For those who can't read it...

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/a...d/news-story/4bfa7afe898c7170ee7e010bba0a6000

COLLINGWOOD has the most midfielders of any club in the competition but are they any good?

The Magpies have 17 midfielders on their list with Scott Pendlebury the only player rated elite by Champion Data.

Dane Swan and Steele Sidebottom — both above average — round out the top three midfielders at coach Nathan Buckley’s disposal.

The problem for the Magpies, who many expect can break into the top eight on the back of a strong NAB Challenge, is too much is left on too few.

In short, the midfield unit as a whole lacks quality despite its apparent depth.

The midfield brigade is ranked 10th overall and 7th when only taking into account the top six players.

Champion Data rates Adam Treloar in the top 35 per cent of all midfielders in the competition (above average) with Levi Greenwood, Taylor Adams and Jack Crisp slotted in the average category.

Oh and before the Black and White Army cries foul... age and experience is not an excuse for quality.

Consider the Western Bulldogs who despite having one of the youngest lists boast the fourth best overall midfield ahead of Hawthorn, Port Adelaide and West Coast.

Sydney has the best midfield in the competition according to Champion Data’s quality ranking with Josh Kennedy the top-rated ball winner.

The Swans rank third when taking into the account the top six players behind Fremantle and a Geelong side bolstered with the addition of Patrick Dangerfield during the off season.

Richmond and North Melbourne are ranked 9th and 13th overall for midfield quality.

It should come as no surprise Essendon and Carlton have the worst ranked midfields in the competition.

The Gold Coast midfield is ranked 14th in overall quality but 6th when taking in only the best six on-ballers thanks to the Gary Ablett.

Club Quality Depth(All Listed Mids) Quality(Best Six Mids) Top-Rated
Sydney Swans 1st 11 (15th) 3rd Josh P. Kennedy
Fremantle 2nd 14 (4th) 1st Nat Fyfe
Geelong Cats 3rd 12 (12th) 2nd Patrick Dangerfield
Western Bulldogs 4th 13 (7th) 6th Marcus Bontempelli
Hawthorn 5th 11 (15th) 8th Sam Mitchell
Port Adelaide 6th 14 (4th) 4th Robbie Gray
West Coast Eagles 7th 13 (7th) 9th Matt Priddis
GWS Giants 8th 14 (4th) 12th Dylan Shiel
Richmond 9th 12 (12th) 11th Shane Edwards
Collingwood 10th 17 (1st) 7th Scott Pendlebury
Adelaide Crows 11th 13 (7th) 10th Rory Sloane
Brisbane Lions 12th 13 (7th) 13th Dayne Zorko
North Melbourne 13th 15 (3rd) 14th Ben Cunnington
Gold Coast Suns 14th 16 (2nd) 5th Gary Ablett
St Kilda 15th 11 (15th) 15th David Armitage
Melbourne 16th 13 (7th) 16th Nathan Jones
Essendon 17th 11 (18th) 18th Brendon Goddard
Carlton 18th 12 (12th) 17th Marc Murphy

Western Bulldogs at the start of last year would have been down the list. It just takes one year for certain players to click! The list means nothing at the start of a year lets just see how it stacks up at the end of the year!

 

[TradeDraft]

10th best midfeild..**** off lol

I think that is Based on us NOT playing Finals for 2 Years. IF we make Finals that will Rise a Fair Bit

 

[sirlothie]

AmellyPies was actually right about Williams.

Too bad he's still suspended so he can't gloat. he's reading this thread right now though lol

 

[PicaBoo]

If you're going to post a paywalled article, at least post a brief snippet of what it's about...

Ways to get around the paywall have been mentioned a few times. Not sure what the issue is.

 

[sirlothie]

Ways to get around the paywall have been mentioned a few times. Not sure what the issue is.

It's not so easy on your phone.

 

[PicaBoo]

It's not so easy on your phone.

Depends in the phone I will admit.

 

[sirlothie]

Depends in the phone I will admit.

Works a treat on a PC though.