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NO TROLLS Collingwood CEO Craig Kelly involved in racism & homophobia allegations lodged in court documents
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The thought crossed my mind yes. I’m not a dumb one eyed supporter with this stuff. Clarko has a pretty long history of intervening in the players’ personal lives so the allegations were devastating but kind of unsurprising too
Goes without saying the Kelly needs his "day in court". But it is going to get very ugly if Pies back him in and then it is discovered that these allegations do have substance.
I think Pies safest course would be to stand him down in the interim. Appoint a caretaker and let the allegations go through the process. As CEO he has to be held to a much higher standard than most at the club and Pies can't afford to sit on their hands and wait for FW to adjudicate.
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Yep - people keep being dichotomous with this stuff and say “procedural fairness - innocent until proven guilty” but it in actual fact the law will often have interim solutions until fact is found based on the seriousness of allegations: see bail, see family violence intervention orders, see interim accommodation orders in child protection matters etc.
So standing someone down in the interim is a valid thing to do when allegations are detailed, serious and on the face of what is alleged are logically consistent and it does NOT equal him definitely being guilty
heck there are some dumb bush lawyers in this forum. It’s entertaining though
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I'm sorry...were you in the presence of Kelly & Cleaver when all these things occurred?
I wasn't. So you & I have no clue about what took place. I've not defended anything which was allegedly said.
Players get booed all the time when they play against their ex club. Nothing new about that. Guaranteed your supporters booed him when he played for Collingwood, like every other oppo club did. He got filmed doing drugs. He was suspended & fined. Pretty straightforward. Heritier's complaints led to the Do Better Report and thankfully Eddie moved on.
The trouble is a lot of people in these made up touchy feely jobs are very toxic people, life hasn't been kind to them and they are bitter with the world and hate seeing anyone else happy, they thrive on causing kaos and dragging other people down to their sad lonely level
Apart from one (huge) foot in mouth comment regarding Adam Goodes can anyone give an example of Eddie being racist? Tall poppy syndrome seems to be alive and well
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So what’s the bet Rabish Binney and Stax on the mill that you won’t admonish this poster for completely character assassinating the claimant based on a whole bunch of assumptions. Procedural fairness is good for rich CEOs but not for others I bet? Is that right ?
Whose the jerk now
Really sums up the progression of this thread.
Everyone was too busy having a good time to “bat an eyelid”.
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AFL needs to not do this club by club anymore. Sure we can jump on the pies to say WTF but it’s time that the AFL did a report for all clubs and stamp this shit out for good
Can we be brutally honest? I know people tip toe around so not to hurt others feelings and I hope I don't offend anyone but who honestly thought a non binary person would work closely and professionally with a meat head full back who used to hand out nipple cripples? It's sad but true: some people are that different they will never get on
reading from The Age
Kelly is alleged to have said: “I really care about our Indigenous people.”
Thorpe pulled Kelly up on his comment, according to the documents, saying, “You don’t say ‘our’, we don’t belong to you.”
What would be more appropriate saying "those indigenous people"?
Kelly is alleged to have said: “I really care about our Indigenous people.”
Thorpe pulled Kelly up on his comment, according to the documents, saying, “You don’t say ‘our’, we don’t belong to you.”
What would be more appropriate saying "those indigenous people"?
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Yeah, but there were a number of people that looked at the complaints and said “all clear.” Include the Vic police, I think. Is that right? I don’t really know those details as I’m not paying close attention. But if some authoritative reviews have happened and it’s been cleared, then Collingwood can’t go saying “well, we will punish this now because it’s hit the media whirlwind.”
If the media and internets were mature about this, all would say, “Ok, let’s have a look at this in court and let the cards fall where they may.” But that maturity is sorely lacking now days so the frenzy will be cranked up to 11.
Just goes to show: if someone is determined to be offended they will find a wayreading from The Age
Kelly is alleged to have said: “I really care about our Indigenous people.”
Thorpe pulled Kelly up on his comment, according to the documents, saying, “You don’t say ‘our’, we don’t belong to you.”
What would be more appropriate saying "those indigenous people"?
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However, there is a clear difference between what VicPol can investigate/prosecute as a crime and what behaviour is acceptable for the CEO of a major sporting organisation.
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Well certainly not “everyone”, which is the point.
Even if everything alleged is true, I doubt anything criminal has taken place. It's really not about that. The bar for inappropriate behaviour is set very low for a CEO. They have enormous power within an organisation and need to very aware of how they use that power. That applies whether you are CEO of a footy club or BHP.
I am not saying Kelly should be "punished". Just that the safest course of action would be for him to step down from the role until due process has been conducted. To be honest, I would think Kelly would put up his hand himself and say in the interests of the club I am going to stand aside until the matter is resolved. Because the worst thing that could happen is BAU and then in 12 months it happens that these allegations are found substantiated.
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Due process for what?
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If true, Collingwood should be stripped of all 16 (count 'em) premierships and then maybe we will be one step closer to justice. In all seriousness though are we actually naive enough to believe that this won't just pan out like the Clarkson/Pagan situation has?
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I would normally agree, but if you're innocent and you know you are then I don't see how you could possibly bring yourself to do that knowing how the media would jump on that as an admission of guilt.
Yeah, it is a tough call but i think it is the usual stuff..."I deny the allegations completely but in the best interests of my family and the club I love I am going to step aside until a determination is made, I do not want anything to distract the Collingwood footy club from its' destiny......"
I mean the other option is to just continue BAU and trust that it is all unfounded. But you have to wear a lot of ordinary PR and really hope that the outcome is in your favor. That seems to be the way Pies are indicating they will go, at least for now.
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Sorry I simply don't like the sound of Mark Cleaver. Tells the world in his video interview Collingwood FC was so warm, friendly, understanding etc. Basically blown away by the club. Off course he has just been given a role at the club and here we are 7 months later after his employment was terminated and he wants to sue the club? How does that work? Cleaver doesn't identify as a binary and watching the video below I get the feeling he would be very hard work to be around, he appears as it's all about Mark IMO. Wouldn't surprise me if Cleaver is simply wanting to get back at the club over his dismissal? Once again he doesn't appear to be a person who would tolerate not getting his way. It's all about Mark and Mark lost his job, so let's sue Collingwood over racism and slurs. I guarantee his dismissal was a big dent to his ego and trust me this individual has plenty of EGO IMO. Haven't we all seen this before? Because it's the Pies it becomes news because it falls under the headline Racism and Homo.
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