NO TROLLS Collingwood CEO Craig Kelly involved in racism & homophobia allegations lodged in court documents

[_Mike_]

Zero tolerance for ignoring the thread tag... zero tolerance

 

[BringFevBack2021]

So after an internal investigation, an external investigation, a police investigation and then appeal to Fair Work Commission what’s left? Did they all get it wrong?

The FWC was unresolved, the language is vague on purpose

As I said, the club is not refuting that it happened but that no laws were broken

 

[Arr0w]

Mr Cleaver made a formal complaint to club officials in late March and April this year, and gave a statement to Victoria Police.

Mr Cleaver was suspended on full pay on May 1 2024 after receiving a letter from Mr Browne “setting out allegations against Cleaver”. (As per Herald Sun).

Pies better hope they had their HR paperwork in order

 

[caloschwaby]

Well if the CEO position's vacant, there'll be an Eddie-sized hole in this club's organisational structure

 

[DopeMaster]

Some useful background info:

Cleaver first took it to the club, who reviewed the allegations internally. Also brought in a 3rd party to investigate the allegations. Neither the Club nor the 3rd party thought there was anything in it. (NB: proving nothing, self investigation, even hiring 'independent' 3rd parties to investigate rarely discovers wrongdoing).

Cleaver then took the allegations to the Victoria Police and Fair Work Commission - neither of them thought it worth pursuing. Doesn't necessarily prove anything either, but at least in this case legitimate 3rd parties didn't think there was anything worth pursuing.

"The employment was terminated for reasons unrelated to their concerns" - interesting, not sure I believe it 100%, but will be intrigued to find out the clubs version of why Cleavers contract was terminated.

In sum four separate investigations into Cleavers allegations have occurred, and none of them have found the allegations worth pursuing.

Doesn't mean the allegations aren't truthful by any stretch, interesting contextual background to the story regardless. Seems like its been going on in the background for some time now.

 

[iDon]

Not refuting this happened, but that there was no legal wrongdoing

Peak PR nightmare incoming

Pies speciality

 

[ElliottsMaggies]

Why is it always Collingwood? Like, how can one clubs board/leadership **** up this one aspect consistently for the last 40 odd years?

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[vindaloo]

The FWC was unresolved, the language is vague on purpose

As I said, the club is not refuting that it happened but that no laws were broken

You've got no idea of the Law or if the language was vague, another poster suggested that and you've clutched onto this with absolutely no experience, education or understanding of the Law.

 

[caloschwaby]

Why is it always Collingwood? Like, how can one clubs board/leadership **** up this one aspect consistently for the last 40 odd years?

Very average and predictable oppo pile-on, at least try and appear impartial - or is that just part of Bloods "culture" lol. Not like there hasn't been major racism complaints made of numerous other clubs/figures in the last 12 months or anything at all

 

[Maurice Mitchell]

Was just a matter of time.

I wonder what vetting and psychological testing he went through?

 

[DopeMaster]

Someone's going to get a champing in this thread soon.

Champ.

 

[jonesy86]

Is this a script from Kingswood Country?

 

[Tadpole]

Is this a script from Kingswood Country?

 

[Pocket Terrace]

Some useful background info:

Cleaver first took it to the club, who reviewed the allegations internally. Also brought in a 3rd party to investigate the allegations. Neither the Club nor the 3rd party thought there was anything in it. (NB: proving nothing, self investigation, even hiring 'independent' 3rd parties to investigate rarely discovers wrongdoing).

Cleaver then took the allegations to the Victoria Police and Fair Work Commission - neither of them thought it worth pursuing. Doesn't necessarily prove anything either, but at least in this case legitimate 3rd parties didn't think there was anything worth pursuing.

"The employment was terminated for reasons unrelated to their concerns" - interesting, not sure I believe it 100%, but will be intrigued to find out the clubs version of why Cleavers contract was terminated.

In sum four separate investigations into Cleavers allegations have occurred, and none of them have found the allegations worth pursuing.

Doesn't mean the allegations aren't truthful by any stretch, interesting contextual background to the story regardless. Seems like its been going on in the background for some time now.

It’s possible his employment was terminated because he wasn’t very good at his job.

Of course I’m only guessing, but it sounds like Browne and Ned wanted to see some progress on the culture room in that meeting, and the update given on the short-listing of artefacts didn’t show a heap of progress.

 

[jmoo wan]

https://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/victoria/collingwood-ceo-in-bombshell-new-racism-scandal/news-story/8c4eb2e5fbd59d485b83e0de7fdc72f7

Collingwood is facing a fresh racism scandal, with chief executive Craig Kelly accused of joking about putting a “live f***ing possum” in a special room for Indigenous players and calling an Aboriginal elder a “dumb old bitch”.

In explosive court documents, Kelly is accused of a series of racial slurs and physical assaults by the club’s former head of First Nations strategy Mark Cleaver, a “Palawa person” who was engaged by the Magpies in the wake of the 2021 “Do Better” crisis.

In addition to the accusations of Indigenous slurs, Mr Cleaver claimed that Kelly also joked about sending a photograph of a ‘Free Palestine’ sign to a Jewish colleague to wind her up.

Earlier during that trip, Mr Cleaver – who documents detail is gay – alleges Mr Kelly told him “we are taking my car; it’s a real man’s car”. When Mr Cleaver joked that he thought Kelly “flew by helicopter”, he said the club chief called him a “dickhead” and “jabbed” him “forcefully in the shoulder” causing him “to fall backwards”.

we should make a stand and get on the front foot and delist Jake Kelly, just in case the apple and the tree etc…

 

[Magpie Phil]

Didn’t have a crack at the Italians because he apparently “loves that wog food”

Now here is your true racist
Should be ashamed of yourself.

 

[Atomboy]

Now here is your true racist
Should be ashamed of yourself.

Oh don’t worry, I am very much ashamed.

More than can be said for others it appears.

 

[Altum Volantes]

CRAIG KELLY?!

I can’t believe it.

Who’s next?! Tony Shaw?! Damien Monkhorst?!

 

[IKE TURNER]

It is the club's fault for employing these continually offended professionals who are always looking for ways to be on the payroll

 

[Chief]

The club just didn't hire people who got in with the culture, eh? That's a new one.

 

[DopeMaster]

It’s possible his employment was terminated because he wasn’t very good at his job.

Of course I’m only guessing, but it sounds like Browne and Ned wanted to see some progress on the culture room in that meeting, and the update given on the short-listing of artefacts didn’t show a heap of progress.

Possible yes.

The skeptic in me wonders if this cartoonish everything-phobe was running his mouth so readily and openly, especially to a newly hired staff member, why others more closely involved in the initiative for years like Jodie Sizer, Leon Davis, Andrew Krakouer etc who have freely called out such behaviour in the past are now keeping it quiet.

Did Kelly watch his mouth around them but not the newby? Will they come out in support of his allegations? Will others involved in the program? Either way, it will all come out in the wash. Or it wont. Time will tell.

 

[CobberRodgers]

Is this a script from Kingswood Country?

You couldn’t make this up.

 

[Ice-Wolf]

seriously some of those accusations sound too outlandish to be true

Yeah comes across as something like the Dave Chappelle / Wayne Brady sketch.

 

[smasha]

Vacuum cleaner sound for Kelly and Stengle.

 

[ptrg]

Try reading that Age report without losing your shit at the pettiness of some of the claims.. I mean, one of the allegations is due to him saying “we care for our indigenous boys here at the club”

The issue? The elder interpreted that to mean the club “owns aboriginal boys”

 

[Fruit]

The report in the Herald Sun said Collingwood investigated it. Obviously some people would be sceptical of that.
Then it says that an external group was bought in and found nothing to answer and also police were notified and found no case to answer.
Be very interesting to see how this is received in Court where all those reports will also be documented.