NO TROLLS Collingwood CEO Craig Kelly involved in racism & homophobia allegations lodged in court documents

[_Mike_]

Zero tolerance for ignoring the thread tag... zero tolerance

 

[IKE TURNER]

At the end of the day anyone can make an allegation and either it is true or false mud will stick and if there is no evidence or witnesses it comes down to a she said he said or in this case a he said they said. Bit of a trigger alert for those who are a bit on the woke side: it is a Football Club not some cat ladies convention or a French Olympic opening ceremony committee you are dealing with VB drinking firm handshaking blokes that have had some concussions which doesn't mean someone should not have a sake workplace but maybe Cleaver and Kelly have different ideas on what is or isn't offensive

 

[IKE TURNER]

Explain why you think that.

Because just about everything is these days especially if you want it to be

 

[Satan]

Collingwood has been dumped – “effective immediately” – as a partner of a leading First Nations support service in the wake of the Craig Kelly racism scandal.
Dardi Munwurro, an Indigenous family violence group, said the scandal engulfing the Pies and their chief executive had “left us no choice but to terminate our partnership with them effective immediately”.

The support group said the pain of the scandal was “simply too great to tolerate” and “causing great emotional and spiritual harm to us and our people”.

 

[IKE TURNER]

Collingwood has been dumped – “effective immediately” – as a partner of a leading First Nations support service in the wake of the Craig Kelly racism scandal.
Dardi Munwurro, an Indigenous family violence group, said the scandal engulfing the Pies and their chief executive had “left us no choice but to terminate our partnership with them effective immediately”.

The support group said the pain of the scandal was “simply too great to tolerate” and “causing great emotional and spiritual harm to us and our people”.

What exactly does a first nations support service do and what would be their KPI's?

 

[IKE TURNER]

Collingwood has been dumped – “effective immediately” – as a partner of a leading First Nations support service in the wake of the Craig Kelly racism scandal.
Dardi Munwurro, an Indigenous family violence group, said the scandal engulfing the Pies and their chief executive had “left us no choice but to terminate our partnership with them effective immediately”.

The support group said the pain of the scandal was “simply too great to tolerate” and “causing great emotional and spiritual harm to us and our people”.

I repeat: this is the same organisation that says it is owed half a million dollars by a sponsor so make of that what you will

 

[Chief]

Interesting..

Mark Cleaver complaint:
"Kelly allegedly spoke to Cleaver and grabbed their hand to forcefully squeeze it. The tight grip caused Cleaver significant pain because of multiple sclerosis, the court documents claim.
Cleaver says they struggled to extricate their hand from Kelly."

Mark Cleaver Artist:
"With my MS I’ve got parathesis in both hands, which means that I've got no feeling at all,.."

So, does he have feeling in his hands or no feeling in his hands?

How far apart were the event and the interview you linked?

"In most instances, numbness comes and goes, and is not disabling. If you just started having numbness due to an MS relapse, your provider may prescribe a brief course of corticosteroids to speed up recovery. These types of drugs reduce inflammation and suppress your immune system, which is helpful in autoimmune conditions."

https://www.nationalmssociety.org/understanding-ms/what-is-ms/ms-symptoms/numbness

 

[ElliottsMaggies]

How far apart were the event and the interview you linked?

"In most instances, numbness comes and goes, and is not disabling. If you just started having numbness due to an MS relapse, your provider may prescribe a brief course of corticosteroids to speed up recovery. These types of drugs reduce inflammation and suppress your immune system, which is helpful in autoimmune conditions."

https://www.nationalmssociety.org/understanding-ms/what-is-ms/ms-symptoms/numbness

Interview dated as May 2022.

Mark Cleaver on creating Indigenous artwork ‘Luwaytini’

We spoke to RMIT student Mark Cleaver on creating his Indigenous artwork ‘Luwaytini’.

www.rmit.edu.au

Only quoting their own words. "No feeling" versus "Significant pain".

I guess these are some of the things which will all be tested in court to distinguish fact from fiction.

 

[Chief]

Interview dated as May 2022.

Mark Cleaver on creating Indigenous artwork ‘Luwaytini’

We spoke to RMIT student Mark Cleaver on creating his Indigenous artwork ‘Luwaytini’.

www.rmit.edu.au

Only quoting their own words. "No feeling" versus "Significant pain".

I guess these are some of the things which will all be tested in court to distinguish fact from fiction.

Yeah but it's sort of a "only asking questions" type thing.

Basic info says it is an intermittent issue with most people.

I don't see any real reason to call anything into doubt over those two quotes.

 

[Caj]

I’ve no love for Craig Kelly but surely if he was as big a douche as the accusations suggest, it would be widely known throughout AFL circles.

He has been in the industry for over 30 years and this type of behaviour would’ve been outed well before now

Some of those accusations are absurdly outlandish

 

[Sainter3and7]

ElliottsMaggies I appreciate the work you put into your response to my post. I had only read one article, and that said he was leading it (and left me with the impression he was alone in that). I appreciate you having the correct information at hand. Thanks.

 

[IKE TURNER]

Herald sun reporting Cleaver wanted $250,000 from pies to make case go away

 

[windyhill]

Herald sun reporting Cleaver wanted $250,000 from pies to make case go away

As stated previously, I’d be the last bloke to defend collingwood/Ned, but this reeks of a money grab from the get go. Pathetic.

 

[ElliottsMaggies]

Herald sun reporting Cleaver wanted $250,000 from pies to make case go away

Wonder if Cleaver initially tried to sell his story to the media a few months back when they reportedly told a couple of journo's about these allegations..

 

[IKE TURNER]

This whole mess can be traced back to Harry the Brazilian. Collingwood had been sitting on 3 strikes due to errors in judgement from Alan McAllister, Monkhurst and Eddie so when the Brazilian had a melt down Pies public relations team went into overdrive and hired someone to do a review that was always going to be negative so public relations team then went overboard and hired people who literary are holding you to ransom, one word from them and sponsors and your good name are gone and they get drunk with this power.

 

[Chief]

errors in judgement from Alan McAllister, Monkhurst and Eddie

Oh yeah. "Errors in judgement".

That's what the weirdos are calling racist comments these days, is it?

 

[parano1a]

Herald sun reporting Cleaver wanted $250,000 from pies to make case go away

Cleaver's credibility is appearing to be negligible at this point.

 

[Satan]

Cleaver's credibility is appearing to be negligible at this point.

Wont be leaving it to cleaver

 

[IKE TURNER]

Oh yeah. "Errors in judgement".

That's what the weirdos are calling racist comments these days, is it?

You obviously don't know the full story to these 3 incidents, so you think they were all deliberate racist comments?

 

[Chief]

You obviously don't know the full story to these 3 incidents, so you think they were all deliberate racist comments?

This is utter dorkery.

 

[Mentallo]

Herald sun reporting Cleaver wanted $250,000 from pies to make case go away

Not bad.
Have the re advertised there's role?
Asking for a mate....

 

[CharlieMortdecai]

Senator Linda Reynolds V Brittany Higgins - related to the conduct within the proceeding of the contravention of general protections.

This article says it's over Instagram posts.

The very public spat between Brittany Higgins and Linda Reynolds is about to be heard in court, and there's a lot at stake

With mediation attempts and extensions of olive branches falling flat, Senator Linda Reynolds's defamation trial against Brittany Higgins and her partner David Sharaz will kick off tomorrow.

www.abc.net.au

 

[Dogflogger]

Systemic Racism? The club knows that.

That's exactly why they initiated the Do Better Report

hows that going?

 

[Dogflogger]

perhaps its time for the Do Even Better Report.

 

[ElliottsMaggies]

hows that going?

The Collingwood Indigenous players & current staff members all seem happy.

As for this Cleaver person, he'd supposedly be happy too if the Pies had handed him $250,000 over things allegedly said which found no breaches & no laws broken & no further action to be taken when investigated by both an internal review & external expert, the Vic Police & the AFL Integrity Unit.

And now the HS is reporting the Fair Work Commission investigation was unresolved only because the club wouldn't pay him the $250,000 Cleaver wanted for the allegations to go away ..

Let's see what comes out of the court case in August & we hear both sides of the story before assuming we all know what actually happened.

I wasn't there. Were you?

 

[RedBloodBlackSwan]

Yes I think it does matter, do you think they were deliberate or not, very simple question

The standard shouldn’t be whether the person intended for their comment to be racist, but whether the person, given their position, could reasonably determine that the comment may be interpreted as racist.

Given the expectations of CEOs to be effective leaders, the training provided to them, and the very recent history of the Collingwood Football Club (where the club acknowledged it had issues with racism), I think the it is fair to set the bar fairly high in this context.

It looks like further information from the Collingwood side is needed to make this call, though assuming the examples were not completely fabricated, they don’t look good at face value.