Collingwood exposed?

[Bollox]

Read this thread with interest. Some astute posters (it's round 1 folks) and some morons who's smiles will be wiped off their faces by the end of round one.
Yeah we lost, big deal.

But you didnt lose....it was Melbournesque in appearance.
You spent months and months preparing...you have what is effectively a home game (not that u play many away games)...u get the big stage friday night...bugger all can be bothered turning up coz the fans have deserted like rats...and u arent even competitive.

Instead of pretending to show some bravado to the "morons" that are actually correct in their asessment, you may as well simply accept the truth.
You got flogged and looked like a bottom 6 contender.
Nobody expected the Pies to do much better than maybe 8th...but this was truly a BAD sign.

Having to fall back on a ridiculous home ground advantage to scrape into finals isnt exactly what pies fans were looking fwd to i imagine.

 

[hellfire]

Two thing that we can take out from last night
1. Fremantle were scary, their pressure was a step up from last season and the Pies were lucky they didnt kick straight.
2. The Pies looked slow and off the pace. I know teams can look slow when they are getting belted but even in the first quarter when they had a moment of dominance they still looked a step behind.

Could be a long year for Collingwood, but like people have said - it is only round one.

In fairness, we kicked more inaccurately than they did when you factor 4-5 set shots that were out on the full - that's less than 20% accuracy in front of the sticks.

Nevertheless, Freo look fantastic and we look woeful. The backline is the major problem, and our structure when defending kickouts. Midfield needs to work harder defensively (except Pendlebury), we need Reid and White back in the side to give us some semblance of a forward line and more than anything we need the Seed in. Can't afford to carry Maxwell and Clarke any more either. We have some top end draft talent (Scharenberg, Freeman, Broomhead) on the sidelines from injury that I'd much rather see on the field than a few of the C-D graders we have running around at present, so the future looks okay but this year will be a battle.

 

[Leather Poisoning]

But you didnt lose....it was Melbournesque in appearance.
You spent months and months preparing...you have what is effectively a home game (not that u play many away games)...u get the big stage friday night...bugger all can be bothered turning up coz the fans have deserted like rats...and u arent even competitive.

Instead of pretending to show some bravado to the "morons" that are actually correct in their asessment, you may as well simply accept the truth.
You got flogged and looked like a bottom 6 contender.
Nobody expected the Pies to do much better than maybe 8th...but this was truly a BAD sign.

Having to fall back on a ridiculous home ground advantage to scrape into finals isnt exactly what pies fans were looking fwd to i imagine.

Freo are a top side, no doubt, but the lack of defensive effort from Collingwood exposed something. Lack of heart? Lack of willingness to compete?

And their attacking strategy was ridiculous. Kicking long and high to the goal square (instead of 20m out from goal) was relentlessly predictable for the Freo defense, who just kept rushing it through with ease.

Without the marking targets of Reid and white they needed a different approach to scoring. This was really dumb coaching or dumb play. There's a very weak link in the chain somewhere.

Also, Beams and Swan just could not do any damage with their possession. Got plenty of it but there was just no pain attached. Maxwell and Lamumba looked frantic and completely ineffective.

Round 2 will tell a story, but shit they looked awful last night.

 

[Ancient Tiger]

Round 2 will tell a story, but shit they looked awful last night.

Where are the mods?

Ooops, he is a mod........Sorry!

 

[Leather Poisoning]

Where are the mods?

Ooops, he is a mod........Sorry!

I've just issues myself a show cause notice.

 

[Ted38]

Having read most of the posts in this thread I am somewhat surprised about the lack of comment re the Collingwood ruck, or more to the point the flogging that they copped largely at the hands of Sandilands. Despite his age and lack of experience the much vaunted Brodie Grundy was given a lesson by the giant and he didn't fare any better against Hannath, in fact going on last nights performance IMO Hannath is a much better prospect.

 

[Ted38]

I've just issues myself a show cause notice.

It should be easier to address than the one that Dank has to answer.

 

[earthquake]

Reid, Blair, White, Fasolo, Dwyer, Seedsman , J Thomas, Karnezis are players who missed last nights game for the Pies. Freo had Clarke, Ibbotson and Suban out .
Pies to win next encounter.

 

[Ted38]

Freo are a top side, no doubt, but the lack of defensive effort from Collingwood exposed something. Lack of heart? Lack of willingness to compete?

And their attacking strategy was ridiculous. Kicking long and high to the goal square (instead of 20m out from goal) was relentlessly predictable for the Freo defense, who just kept rushing it through with ease.

Without the marking targets of Reid and white they needed a different approach to scoring. This was really dumb coaching or dumb play. There's a very weak link in the chain somewhere.

Also, Beams and Swan just could not do any damage with their possession. Got plenty of it but there was just no pain attached. Maxwell and Lamumba looked frantic and completely ineffective.

Round 2 will tell a story, but shit they looked awful last night.

There is no way that those two crabs can be part of an emerging Collingwood.

 

[Ted38]

Reid, Blair, White, Fasolo, Dwyer, Seedsman , J Thomas, Karnezis are players who missed last nights game for the Pies. Freo had Clarke, Ibbotson and Suban out .
Pies to win next encounter.

That comment will undoubtedly come back and bite you severely on the arse!

 

[doppleganger]

But you didnt lose....it was Melbournesque in appearance.
You spent months and months preparing...you have what is effectively a home game (not that u play many away games)...u get the big stage friday night...bugger all can be bothered turning up coz the fans have deserted like rats...and u arent even competitive.

Instead of pretending to show some bravado to the "morons" that are actually correct in their asessment, you may as well simply accept the truth.
You got flogged and looked like a bottom 6 contender.
Nobody expected the Pies to do much better than maybe 8th...but this was truly a BAD sign.

Having to fall back on a ridiculous home ground advantage to scrape into finals isnt exactly what pies fans were looking fwd to i imagine.

What absolute tripe, one of the ignorant muppets who trot out the Collingwood are favoured tripe.

A ridiculous home ground advantage? How is playing Freo at Etihad a home ground advantage? Freo play there as many times as we do, and R.Lyon made it his fortress with the Saints.

Reality is Pies are in rebuild mode, and we came up against the GF loser who had been waiting 5 months to get back to playing footy....we won't be the last team Freo make a mess of in 2014.

A bad first up game no doubt, prob on a par with the ten goal flogging we received by West Coast at Vic Park in 1990.

 

[Superstar swan]

Do people who are big on Collingwood expect Elliot, Sinclair, Seedsman, Williams (if he returns), Keefe, etc to be as good as Didak, O'Bree, Johnson, Shaw, Presti, ie those that they are replacing?

I don't see it.

Obviously early days, no Reid, no White, but the young kids have been a bit hyped and have shown no where near enough to be considered potential A grade players, or even good B grade players.

I think Collingwood are 3-4 years away from being a top 4 side again.

Elliot has the potential, apart from that, I don't see too many positives on their list. They have 3 premium mids , a premium forward in cloke and a very good player in Reid.

Their backline is gonna take some damage this year

 

[el toado]

So let me get this straight. Last years 8th placed team who were missing 6 best 22 players (2 who are structural keys) and are undergoing a mini rebuild on the run get belted by last years grand finalists who have a full squad and play he ground exceptionally well.... and people are surprised?

Going on last night the pies certainly look to have a number of problems, and those problems may not be easy to resolve, but lets just wait a couple of rounds before you stick a fork in our season.

P.S its good to see a large number of saints and blues supporters getting their jabs in before the reality of their season hits home .

 

[Spoken4]

Reid, Blair, White, Fasolo, Dwyer, Seedsman , J Thomas, Karnezis are players who missed last nights game for the Pies. Freo had Clarke, Ibbotson and Suban out .
Pies to win next encounter.

Are you serious? White was barely best 22 for Sydney, Dwyer is still very young and is an emerging player as is Thomas. Who is Karnezis?

Next time we might have a few more to chose from - Ibbotson, C. Pearce, Sylvia (de-Melbournised), Clarke, Suban and of course.... the mighty Anthony Morabito.

 

[Forward Press]

Are you serious? White was barely best 22 for Sydney, Dwyer is still very young and is an emerging player as is Thomas. Who is Karnezis?

Next time we might have a few more to chose from - Ibbotson, C. Pearce, Sylvia (de-Melbournised), Clarke, Suban and of course.... the mighty Anthony Morabito.

We couldn't de-Melbournise Cale Morton, but good luck with Sylvia. That was a bit of a ridiculous post though, Freo were possibly even further from full strength than Collingwood last night, and even if Collingwood were a bit more affected by injury it sure doesn't explain a 70 point loss.

 

[JohnnyFontane90]

since they ousted mick for bucks, they've gotten worse every year. after losing daisy, shaw, jolly, kraouer, Johnson, didak who really honestly belived they'd improve on 8th place finish? they have a beast of a midfield. when their midfield was on top in first qtr they were even match. when their midfield got destroyed the book ends might as well have just gone home. reid was a huge loss.

Bucks can't coach. period. his teams have lacked discipline. they've been able to get up for big games on occasions but way to inconsistent. there's still tons of talent but an average coach like buckley can't get the best out of the C graders the way ross lyon, malthouse, Clarkson can. that's the difference between a top four team and a team that spends September in Thailand.

 

[Spoken4]

We couldn't de-Melbournise Cale Morton, but good luck with Sylvia. That was a bit of a ridiculous post though, Freo were possibly even further from full strength than Collingwood last night, and even if Collingwood were a bit more affected by injury it sure doesn't explain a 70 point loss.

We have set this up for Sylvia in the Freo lab. Will know in 6 months whether it worked:

 

[gopies1981]

We are in a rebuild! It ain't gonna be a long rebuild cos I actually think bucks started rebuilding after the 2011 grand final. I think our recruiting has been great especially last year. We have been a finals team for the last 8 years. I can see us missing finals action for the next 3 to 4 years then we will be contesting for another premiership buy 2017-18. Our club has too many resources and money to be crap for a long period. But more performances like last night will put huge pressure on bucks to keep his job

 

[nickrebellious]

I think Collingwood have been exposed on the lack of quality they have rotating through their midfield. Their starters are awesome, Pendlebury, Beams, Swan, Ball, Sidebottom.. but after that it falls off a cliff.

Other teams spread the workload a lot more. You'll often see Pendles, Swan and Beams get 30+ touches each while the other midfield have a multitude of players in the 20-30 touches bracket.

Fremantle.. Mundy, Barlow, Crowley, Hill with Mzungu, Fyfe, Walters, Pearce, de Boer rotating through.
Hawthorn.. Lewis, Shiels, Sewell, Mitchell, Smith with Hodge, Burgoyne, Rioli, Whitecross, Hill, Bruest rotating through.
Sydney.. Kennedy, O'Keefe, Jack, Hannebery, Jetta with McVeigh, Parker, Mitchell, Bird, Goodes rotating through.

Macaffer, Adams, Young, Lumumba, Blair are just not in the same league as the above teams rotating mids.

 

[Red Black and Blue]

Put Reid, Williams, Seedsman, White and Keefe (should have been in the team) in last nights side and they are still a dangerous team. They will be a bit exposed by grinding teams with heavy focus on contested football as they lack a bit of inside class.

It won't happen but the media should ease up on Bucks, he's got a tough job where they are positioned at the moment, they'll need to enter a mini rebuild faze and focus on a premiership in 3 years.

 

[Gavin Excell]

Reid, Blair, White, Fasolo, Dwyer, Seedsman , J Thomas, Karnezis are players who missed last nights game for the Pies. Freo had Clarke, Ibbotson and Suban out .
Pies to win next encounter.

A return game in perth - I'd have it $1.14 Freo -$7 Pies

 

[Blues_Man]

Pie bashing at its finest. They lost a round 1 game so what, there will be 8 other losers this round.

By 12 Goals though ?

 

[Blues_Man]

They have been killing Adelaide for years, both in Melbourne and at AAMI. No offence, but Carlton aren't a very good football team and I can't see you finishing any higher than 10th on the ladder. Collingwood defeated you both times during 2013, the most recent was a friday night demolition.

Opinions are like arseholes ..everyone has one. Yours is just that nothing less nothing more.

 

[Masto]

But Caro tipped them for the flag. She wouldn't troll us, would she?

 

[democritus]

In fact going on last nights performance IMO Hannath is a much better prospect.

Go on then, we'll swap 'em

Talk about jumping the gun. Sandilands was cherry ripe, he's had an excellent preseason, about a decade more in the system and is a man mountain. Of course he was going to beat Grundy in the ruck. Grundy did some nice things in the contest, laid some hard tackles, showed some fight.

Sure, he couldn't nullify Sandi last night but far more experienced rucks have failed to do so in the past. It's round 1, let's hold fire.