List Mgmt. COLLINGWOOD Trade and F/A Discussion 2022-->

[Anzacday]

Key dates attached so we know what’s going on when.

• Friday 30 September at 9.00am

• AFL Restricted Free Agency and Unrestricted Free Agency Period commences

Monday 03 October at 9.00am

• AFL Trade Period commences – Players & Selections

Friday 07 October at 5.00pm

• Close of AFL Restricted Free Agency Offer and Unrestricted Free Agency Period.

Monday 10 October

• AFL Draft Nominations open (9am)
• AFL Restricted Free Agency Matching Offer 3 Day Period Ends (5pm)

Wednesday 12 October at 7.30pm

• AFL Trade Period closes – players and selections

Thursday 03 November at 9.00am

• AFL Delisted Player Free Agency Period (1) commences

Wednesday 09 November at 5.00pm

• AFL Delisted Player Free Agency Period (1) closes

Friday 11 November at 9.00am

• AFL Delisted Player Free Agency Period (2) commences

Tuesday 15 November by 5.00pm

• AFL Delisted Player Free Agency Period (2) closes
• AFL Trade Period closes – selections only

Monday 21 November by 3.00pm

• AFL Draft Nominations close

Monday 28 November at 7.10pm

• 2022 AFL Draft Round One (Venue TBC)
• Father/Son, Academy & NGA and Players Bidding opens.

Tuesday 29 November

• AFL Trade Period – selections only (5.45pm to 6.30pm)
• 2022 AFL National Draft Round two until completion (7pm)
• Rookie Upgrade Period opens (10pm)
• AFL Delisted Player Free Agency Period (3) commences (10pm)
• Rookie Upgrade Period closes (11pm)
• AFL Delisted Player Free Agency Period (3) closes (11pm)

Wednesday 30 November

• AFL Pre-Season Draft (3pm, online)
• AFL Rookie Draft (3.20pm, online)

Thursday 01 December by 4.00pm

• Final AFL Club List Lodgement

 

[magpies42]

Well if he does then we force a trade as compo would not be sufficient and would be wiped by McStay which would effectively mean that its DeGoey for McStay, yuck.

In that scenario I imagine we don’t take McStay.

 

[ThePheonix]

There’s no way the Demons are giving us two firsts, but liked for “longertivity”.

Well we gave away two first round picks for Beams, Grundy is a more valuable player than what was Beams.

We can't be the only stooge club in the league, can we?

 

[sr36]

100%. Point system is some of the dumbest s**t the AFL has introduced.

Can you think of a better system than a points system? But I suspect they haven't got the points right for each pick. I suspect they haven't factored in the extra list spots needed for multiple picks.

 

[partypie]

According to some, he wants to. It would likely be late in the trade period though, as we would have to know what our cap situation is like after the other moves

Further to that it would have to be literally a Jordan Lewis-style junk pick trade right at the end if we're to take Titch on.

Anyone know how much he is on? If he's anything north of $600k then it'd be a firm no from where I'd sit, because he's not that final piece that would push us over the top to a flag I don't think, more a nice to have piece that would take the load off our other midfielders a bit.

 

[JuniorB]

Won't it look silly if we match after digging our heels in over behavioral clauses. I think the JDG camp knows that we can only get pick 17 for him and are using it to get rid of the clauses which tells me can't be trusted

He's getting bad advice because his manager is his brother in law.

 

[Jekyll and Hyde]

We'll take pick 23 on that one thanks.

I love your optimism, but would you want us to trade pick 23 (if we had it) on Poulter?

 

[Brent24]

Two late seconds aren’t equivalent to a late first, and if you say “but points” give yourself an uppercut.

I never said they were. 2 late seconds won't get you Bowes + 7 either though.

 

[jonbe54]

He's getting bad advice because his manager is his brother in law.

My experience in business has been that very few family partnerships work.

 

[sr36]

He's getting bad advice because his manager is his brother in law.

Every week a new article comes out with JDG getting a more favourable offer. It doesn't look like he's getting bad advice to me.

 

[Jekyll and Hyde]

Further to that it would have to be literally a Jordan Lewis-style junk pick trade right at the end if we're to take Titch on.

Anyone know how much he is on? If he's anything north of $600k then it'd be a firm no from where I'd sit, because he's not that final piece that would push us over the top to a flag I don't think, more a nice to have piece that would take the load off our other midfielders a bit.

Melbourne would think the exact same thing with Grundy.

 

[jonbe54]

Every week a new article comes out with JDG getting a more favourable offer. It doesn't look like he's getting bad advice to me.

And you believe these fishing expeditions . . . why?

It's the silly season remember???

 

[sr36]

And you believe these fishing expeditions . . . why?

It's the silly season remember???

I'm skeptical of all contract reporting. It always seems like every club must be way over the cap. I'm also skeptical of the behavioural clauses reporting. I can't see how they can put special Jordy clauses in without breaching broader player agreements - unless they are completely toothless clauses.

 

[partypie]

I get the point you’re trying to make, but they’re terrible examples. Cameron reportedly signed for less at the cats due to lifestyle. Martin’s contract is hefty, but he was offered more elsewhere. Albeit he announced several personal sponsors not long after including some who were also club sponsors.

Grundy from memory was offered a similar amount elsewhere and we essentially matched that offer.

The difference between us and Richmond / Geelong (and even Sydney) is that they also have the lure of being consistently successful and well run / well-coached clubs, albeit Richmond's status in that respect being more of a recent thing and maybe looking a bit shaky now.

It would have to be easier to get players looking for success to sign on for a bit less if you're actually able to dangle some tangible notion of success in front of them.

The draws we have in terms of attracting recruits are more along the lines of playing in the big games against other big clubs at the MCG 8-10 times a year, because we simply don't have that perception of sustained success that some other clubs currently have on their side.

 

[12kilos]

With all the players comming in and out, Graham Wtight will have to bring his sleeping bag at trade headquaters

 

[Juan Ide]

De Goey won’t just be replaced with draftees we’ll get Bowes and could still go for a Fiorini or Mitchell.

Our short term flag chances will take a hit but if we’re in a better position long term ill take it. We’ve got plenty of time under Fly to win a premiership we don’t need to overpay for the short term imo.

We don't need Bowes and won't be drafting him. Why let JDG go and draft an overpaid, half-back to take his place?

 

[partypie]

McStay will wipe out that #17.

Ugh I'm disliking the McStay pickup even more now.

 

[JuniorB]

Every week a new article comes out with JDG getting a more favourable offer. It doesn't look like he's getting bad advice to me.

It just makes him look mercenary.

 

[sr36]

With all the players comming in and out, Graham Wtight will have to bring his sleeping bag at trade headquaters

Bloody oath, and imagine how shit things could go if he gets caught up in the Hawthorn scandal.

 

[jonbe54]

I'm skeptical of all contract reporting. It always seems like every club must be way over the cap. I'm also skeptical of the behavioural clauses reporting. I can't see how they can put special Jordy clauses in without breaching broader player agreements - unless they are completely toothless clauses.

Behavioural clauses reporting is a rich field for speculation simply because the clubs are - rightly - constrained from even passing reference to them so that players are protected and the media are well aware that they have an open field in this area.

 

[jonbe54]

It just makes him look mercenary.

Of course it does - which is the media's intent.

 

[Juan Ide]

Can't afford to lose Degoey, but hope we play handball with Geelong over Henry, if he doesn't sign on.

Handball or hardball?

 

[Everybody Panic]

Well we gave away two first round picks for Beams, Grundy is a more valuable player than what was Beams.

We can't be the only stooge club in the league, can we?

This logic. Yes we will get a good trade of Melbourne are complete morons!

 

[Everybody Panic]

Can you think of a better system than a points system? But I suspect they haven't got the points right for each pick. I suspect they haven't factored in the extra list spots needed for multiple picks.

I think it could be simplified a lot. You need a pick within 10. That's the discount. Brisbane would need a top 10 pick to get Ashcroft. We would have needed a top 14 pick for Daicos. Clubs trading away first round picks to avoid losing them is stupid. If you cant get the pick, you lose access to the player.

 

[Lings of Geelong]

Grundy for Freo's 2023 1st.
Henry and 42 for Geelong's 2023 1st.
Poulter for Frampton.
Our 2023 2nd for Fiorini and 25.
25 for Hill and 39.
47 for Mitchell.
48 for Hayes.

In: Mitchell, McStay, Hill, Fiorini, Frampton, Hayes, Pick 16, Pick 39

Out: Grundy, Henry, Poulter, TBrown, CBrown, McMahon, Madgen, Chugg

2023 picks: Our 1st, Freo's 1st, Geelong's 1st, Our 3rd, Our 4th

Best 22:

Howe Dean Maynard
Quaynor Moore Pendlebury
JDaicos Mitchell Sidebottom
NDaicos McStay Ginnivan
Elliott Mihocek McCreery
Cameron De Goey Crisp
Lipinski Adams Murphy Kreuger

EMG: Noble, Hoskin-Elliott, Johnson, Hill

In (from prelim): McStay, Adams, Mitchell, Kreuger, Dean

Out: Cox, Bianco, Johnson, Noble, Hoskin-Elliott

 

[partypie]

I love your optimism, but would you want us to trade pick 23 (if we had it) on Poulter?

Doesn't have to be the end of it, but they're not exactly flush with picks atm so pick 23 is as good a starting point as any.

They're also flush with young players so it's not like a pick that will end up in the mid-20's will have much value for them this year, especially if they rate Poulter as a pick up.