List Mgmt. COLLINGWOOD Trade and F/A Discussion 2023

[adammania9]

Touching a lot of wood when I raise this topic , but if we were lucky enough to win the flag this year, do we think any of our players would do a Shane Crawford and retire. And forgo a year of contract money

Eg Pendlebury Sidebottom Howe

Be interesting what happens. And might enable us to Bank some cap space for a free agent at end of 2024. Hopefully a key forward

Unlikely IMO. The only conceivable one might be Howe after the year he’s had, but there’s still a role for him in 2024.

 

[Couch Coach]

From the Adelaide board:
"7 News says we are interested in Nathan Krueger…."

 

[Exambolor]

Jack Bytel could be up for grabs on the cheap as St Kilda have delisted him

 

[OniAu]

Watching Ollie Lord for Port the other night , picked up at 49 in 2020. Love us to go with a type like this and try and develop a tall young forward.

 

[stormskye]

Jack Bytel could be up for grabs on the cheap as St Kilda have delisted him

Their midfield is one of their issues, so why has he been delisted? doesn’t scream pick me but I don’t know anything about him

 

[Harry O]

Don’t mind Blake Howes at Melbourne if he doesn’t retain his spot. And best mates with Finn Callaghan if you get my drift …

 

[Exambolor]

Their midfield is one of their issues, so why has he been delisted? doesn’t scream pick me but I don’t know anything about him

Ross the Boss forgot he existed even though he was putting up nice numbers in the 2’s

 

[OniAu]

Ross the Boss forgot he existed even though he was putting up nice numbers in the 2’s

Thats classic Ross isnt it haha

 

[Couch Coach]

Watching Ollie Lord for Port the other night , picked up at 49 in 2020. Love us to go with a type like this and try and develop a tall young forward.

Be careful what you wish for.

St.Kilda Board Post:
"Talls we've taken in the national draft recently:

2022 #31: Van Es
2022 #44: Keeler
2021 #51: Adams
2020 #26: Allison
2020 #45: Highmore
2019
2018 #4: King
2017 #35: Clavarino
2016 #39: Battle
2015
2014 #1: McCartin
2014 #21: Goddard
2013
2012 #25: White
2012 #75: Pierce
2011 #60: Lever
2011 #68: Maister

2 hits out of 14 taken, with 2 of those still pending.

* taking talls in the draft, you can't pick enough of them to let the law of averages work in your favour."

 

[Pistol Night]

Thats classic Ross isnt it haha

Ross thinks that VFL stands for Vague Foreign Land

 

[stormskye]

Ross the Boss forgot he existed even though he was putting up nice numbers in the 2’s

How’s he compare to macrae?

 

[HFF]

Grundy really only has Sydney as a viable option now to join with Port securing Ratugolea and Zerk-Thatcher with their lack of trade capital a factor.

 

[Exambolor]

How’s he compare to macrae?

- Jack Bytel

vfl.aflmstats.com

Was injured a bit throughout the year, but in the 10 games for Sandy he played, half for them he got 30+ touches, and a couple of 26 touches games.

 

[stormskye]

- Jack Bytel

vfl.aflmstats.com

Was injured a bit throughout the year, but in the 10 games for Sandy he played, half for them he got 30+ touches, and a couple of 26 touches games.

I’m open to anything after how good markov has been, just curious how he compares to macrae/Carmy and whether he’d be worth a list spot

 

[pablo disco bar]

From the Adelaide board:
"7 News says we are interested in Nathan Krueger…."

He hasn't signed one year deal?

With his body if gets 2 from Adelaide he will walk

 

[Jen2310]

He hasn't signed one year deal?

With his body if gets 2 from Adelaide he will walk

He has a 1 year extension in front of him. The expectation is he will stay

 

[gouki88]

Touching a lot of wood when I raise this topic , but if we were lucky enough to win the flag this year, do we think any of our players would do a Shane Crawford and retire. And forgo a year of contract money

Eg Pendlebury Sidebottom Howe

Be interesting what happens. And might enable us to Bank some cap space for a free agent at end of 2024. Hopefully a key forward

Doubtful IMO. Think it would be a lot more fun to play here than for Clarko's Hawks

 

[HFF]

Moving Grundy on has become even more justified.
His priority according to SEN is “work life balance” which didn’t stack up with Port’s priorities.

This is a guy who wanted marquee wages at $1m a year for seven years…
And his priorities are “work life balance”.

Life comes at you fast it seems.

 

[Scodog10]

Touching a lot of wood when I raise this topic , but if we were lucky enough to win the flag this year, do we think any of our players would do a Shane Crawford and retire. And forgo a year of contract money

Eg Pendlebury Sidebottom Howe

Be interesting what happens. And might enable us to Bank some cap space for a free agent at end of 2024. Hopefully a key forward

Howe the most likely*. I think given the road to recovery with his arm could feed into a surprise retirement if the cards fell that way.

*like you I’m touching copious amounts of wood as I type this.

 

[Scodog10]

Watching Ollie Lord for Port the other night , picked up at 49 in 2020. Love us to go with a type like this and try and develop a tall young forward.

Pick 31 2020 draft Collingwood select Liam McMahon. For every Ollie Lord there’s 4 or 5 Liam McMahon’s. Even then I’m not convinced of Lord’s long term future considering he’s still not best 23.

I’d prefer we steer clear of speccy 18yo KPF’s and continue to pro scout for that role ala Kreuger and McStay, but perhaps we aim a bit higher next time out say a Naughton or King.

 

[ipswichpies]

Moving Grundy on has become even more justified.
His priority according to SEN is “work life balance” which didn’t stack up with Port’s priorities.

This is a guy who wanted marquee wages at $1m a year for seven years…
And his priorities are “work life balance”.

Life comes at you fast it seems.

I think it gets back to Grundys statement that a flag will not validate him, as soon as he started speaking like that at his price trading him out was the right move.

 

[Pistol Night]

Pick 31 2020 draft Collingwood select Liam McMahon. For every Ollie Lord there’s 4 or 5 Liam McMahon’s. Even then I’m not convinced of Lord’s long term future considering he’s still not best 23.

I’d prefer we steer clear of speccy 18yo KPF’s and continue to pro scout for that role ala Kreuger and McStay, but perhaps we aim a bit higher next time out say a Naughton or King.

Hawthorn nailing "Mitchell Lewis" the year after they both left would have to be the greatest piss take success recruitment's of all time. Would love him at at he Pies. Any blokes named Swan Pendlebury in next years crop?

 

[gouki88]

Pick 31 2020 draft Collingwood select Liam McMahon. For every Ollie Lord there’s 4 or 5 Liam McMahon’s. Even then I’m not convinced of Lord’s long term future considering he’s still not best 23.

I’d prefer we steer clear of speccy 18yo KPF’s and continue to pro scout for that role ala Kreuger and McStay, but perhaps we aim a bit higher next time out say a Naughton or King.

Tend to agree, we've been much better served by atypical recruitment roles (Mihocek, Cox) or nabbing other clubs talls (McStay, Cameron). Happy to continue with that

 

[TheVillageIdiot7]

Be careful what you wish for.

St.Kilda Board Post:
"Talls we've taken in the national draft recently:

2022 #31: Van Es
2022 #44: Keeler
2021 #51: Adams
2020 #26: Allison
2020 #45: Highmore
2019
2018 #4: King
2017 #35: Clavarino
2016 #39: Battle
2015
2014 #1: McCartin
2014 #21: Goddard
2013
2012 #25: White
2012 #75: Pierce
2011 #60: Lever
2011 #68: Maister

2 hits out of 14 taken, with 2 of those still pending.

* taking talls in the draft, you can't pick enough of them to let the law of averages work in your favour."

This is why the entire "going to the draft" is a complete fallacy these days.
Especially those going at Hine for his recent picks (from another thread).

Reckon every clubs list would look something like this.
With the numerous other ways to bring in talent.....drafting 18 year olds is clearly not the best way and far too speculative.

SSP & MSD in particular (where you can draft on exposed form in season or at training) will have taken 2-3 draft picks away from the ND each year (just a pure guess!!!).
Coupled with easier player movements means draft picks have far less worth than they used to.
Which is anecdotally backed up by clubs happy to part with 3rd/4th rounders and give away picks to free up cap space.

ND will be overhauled in a few years IMO.....always takes the AFL a few years to catch up on new trends.

 

[Jen2310]

LIST SPOT SQUEEZE

AFL list bosses and player managers say smaller list sizes and the number of plus-30 veterans playing on are behind the list crunch that will deny many players new starts this year.

Many clubs are telling player managers trying to find new homes for their players they simply do not have any list spots available.

The AFL cut list sizes by two in Covid as a cost-saving measure and they have not expanded.
Clubs who once forced out most players over 30 are now having those veterans play on, with 106 players in the competition competing this year as a 30-year-old or older.

Some clubs might only take one or two fresh players in the national draft before upgrading rookies.

It means under-18s hoping to live their AFL dream will be denied, while contracted players like Lochie O’Brien and Brandan Parfitt

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Brandan Parfitt

Age

26

Ht

180cm

Wt

82kg

Pos.

Mid

Career

Season

Last 5

D

16.6

4star

K

8.4

3star

HB

8.2

5star

M

2.1

2star

T

4.8

5star

CL

1.9

4star

D

15.3

4star

K

8.5

3star

HB

6.8

4star

M

1.5

2star

T

7.8

5star

CL

3.2

4star

D

14.8

4star

K

6.4

3star

HB

8.4

5star

M

2.8

3star

T

4.0

5star

CL

0.6

3star

who had hoped to move on can’t find new homes just yet.

https://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/moneyball-the-latest-contract-updates-and-trade-news-in-the-afl/news-story/1909099736fd49d29520874e638bc573