List Mgmt. COLLINGWOOD Trade and F/A Discussion 2023

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ElliottsMaggies said:
Haha. Would love that to be more than a rumour. Cats fans would go berserk.
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Could you imagine, one of their players dare leave, it would be an outrage.

AshW said:
anyone heard a rumor about Max Holmes wanting to get to pies?
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I think you'd find a lot of player would love to come to the Pies now, the environment is so much better, Fly and coaches just get so much out of the players and the players love playing for Fly and the coaches.
 
Go Woods said:
Oh please let it be true! We should of gunned for him in the Henry trade
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It’s a shame that our first rounder couldn’t be involved because… uhm… we just don’t want it to be.
 

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brysie said:
Holmes is contracted until the end of 2024.

Is there a source for the rumour, or is it just wishful thinking?
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The Holmes stuff is 100% made up by a Pies supporter and there’s no point in giving it oxygen. The Healy stuff is almost as garbage. Ignoring the lack of need because it’s likely old info the discussion completely ignored our ability to find a list spot. Unless the club are pulling the mother of all Houdini acts with Howe there’s no current candidate. Teasing out a story like that is to fill the media cycle and get clicks. That’s ignoring that the info could have come from Matt Rendell who probably said the Pies are sniffing around Naismith when he’s made it all up…

Edit: If we can somehow conjure up a MSD pick OMac>>>>>Naismith. He offers flexibility at both ends of the ground and can release Frampton to ruck more often.
 
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brysie said:
Holmes is contracted until the end of 2024.

Is there a source for the rumour, or is it just wishful thinki
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brysie said:
Holmes is contracted until the end of 2024.

Is there a source for the rumour, or is it just wishful thinking?
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It was told to me by a cats man who is connected in the VFL. I asked the question to see if anyone else had heard it. I thought it was a strange omission from a cats man.
 
unplugged said:
I tried to start a similar rumour because someone I know lives across the road from him in Melbourne... still lives with his parents.

Maybe he could do without the drive to Geelong a few days a week!
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That's interesting he still lives in Melbourne. There is a geelong player who lived in Torquay with Joel Corey in his first few years, he'd do uni in melbourne one day a week which is the complete opposite of what Holmes is doing basically haha
 
Scodog10 said:
The Holmes stuff is 100% made up by a Pies supporter and there’s no point in giving it oxygen. The Healy stuff is almost as garbage. Ignoring the lack of need because it’s likely old info the discussion completely ignored our ability to find a list spot. Unless the club are pulling the mother of all Houdini acts with Howe there’s no current candidate. Teasing out a story like that is to fill the media cycle and get clicks. That’s ignoring that the info could have come from Matt Rendell who probably said the Pies are sniffing around Naismith when he’s made it all up…

Edit: If we can somehow conjure up a MSD pick OMac>>>>>Naismith. He offers flexibility at both ends of the ground and can release Frampton to ruck more often.
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What is the problem with my post in the injury thread,I just told the truth about how Frampton was supposedly back rd 15. I do not make up rumours of any kind. I leave that sort thing to people who actually live Melbourne,I live in Brisbane and I do not hear stories up here. If I am honest I disagree with a lot your posts but I never say I disagree what,s the point.You strongly disagree with my post in the injury well how about telling me why and then I either debate you or if I am proven wrong I can tone it down,the ball is in your court.
 
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ElliottsMaggies said:
Haha. Would love that to be more than a rumour. Cats fans would go berserk.
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Offer them circa pick 30. It’s only fair considering the rubbish they gave us for Henry.
 

1. Todd Goldstein (North Melbourne)​

In the NFL this season Sam Darnold was paid US$7.5 million to be a back-up quarterback who actually started third on the depth chart before playing six games.

Goldstein is 35 in July but he’s on a tear, averaging 108 SuperCoach points, 15 possessions, 32 hit-outs and 4.4 clearances.

With Alastair Clarkson already showing his hand – dropping him for Tristan Xerri in round 1 – does he sign another one-year deal and potentially play VFL next year?

Or sign a two-year deal at a club like Collingwood which wants a $400,000 back-up ruckman and back himself to get into the starting line-up?

How many games would he have played at Collingwood this year? All of them.

Goldstein ranks second for hit-outs to advantage across the league and is the third-highest rated ruckman.

2. Nathan Broad (Richmond)​

There isn’t massive interest yet in Broad because he’s 30 and will sign at the Tigers if they offer a three-year deal on massive money.

But he is an unrestricted free agent, he is durable, he can play tall or small, he has all of the intellectual property from the Richmond premierships and he is just a damned good player.

The evidence? He held Jack Silvagni and Jack Martin goalless in round 2, held Izak Rankine to one goal in round 2, held Jake Waterman goalless in round 8, held Jeremy Cameron goalless.

If the Cats were prepared to give up pick 30 for Shaun Higgins as a 32-year-old someone would be mad not to explore if they could acquire Broad.

His midfield teammate Kamdyn McIntosh is also an unrestricted free agent but is likely to hit a games-based trigger that gives him a contract for 2024.

4. Mason Wood (St Kilda)​

St Kilda isn’t in a hurry to sign up its long list of players given its new list bosses haven’t seen enough of them and you would imagine they will eventually reward unrestricted free agent Wood for his exceptional season.

But he is 29, he is a free agent, and he rates elite for metres gained, marks, score assists and score involvements. They are all the sexy stats that help teams win games of footy.

Can he keep it up all year and give himself significant leverage?

5. Mason Redman (Essendon)​

Just can’t imagine Redman leaving the club despite the interest of Adelaide and multiple rivals.

But he goes from strength to strength – 30 disposals and 10 intercepts against Brisbane – and will only get better when Essendon has an elite full back to help bring the ball to ground.

Essendon might have to pay over $700,000 a year for him so only if they get into a contract impasse would rivals believe they are a chance to snare him.

6. Jade Gresham (St Kilda)​

Gresham is going to be well paid by someone given he is a free agent, still only 25, is a renowned goalkicker (eight so far this year), can play as a centre square midfielder and has pace.

He has been good rather than great this year before a knock to his PCL in round 8 so he will want to dominate before he signs a new deal.

That will give rivals the chance to assess his impact, waiting to sniff any opportunity if St Kilda and Gresham can’t come to terms.

But everyone wants a centre square mid who can kick goals and Gresham has that potential and the time at 25 years of age to develop further.

7. Matt Flynn (GWS)​

The unrestricted GWS free agent has certainly timed his run, playing every game so far in a career-best season after 12 games in each of 2021 and 2022.

He is no superstar, but he ranks above average for hit-outs and hit-outs to advantage.

Finally getting games after so long in the system he will surely stay but with so many clubs looking for ruck depth his second half of the season will be important for his price and leverage.

8. James Jordon (Melbourne)​

Jordon was delisted at the end of 2020 then elevated back onto the primary list so now becomes an unrestricted free agent as his current contract expires.

He is a premiership Demon but would he be better served elsewhere given when the Demons are fit he is only on the periphery of their midfield?

He has played seven games this year but he is happy to hold off on talks for now and at 22 years of age has the leverage given his free agency position.

9. Tom Doedee (Adelaide)​

Adelaide believed they would sit down soon for contract talks on Doedee, but he doesn’t seem in any particular hurry.

When he was ignored as Adelaide captain it was seen as a reason he might consider a move back to Victoria along with his partner, but surely Jordan Dawson’s elevation as skipper would make him realise the Crows have the right man in charge.

Doedee is a complementary part to a backline rather than its star – averaging just on two intercept marks across his career, between 14 and 18 possessions.

But he would improve a backline that needs a rock-solid third defender at a club like North Melbourne or Carlton.

10. Harry Himmelberg (GWS)​

In a league where most of the elite intercept defenders are signed up, Himmelberg represents the best available option apart from Ben McKay as an available free agent.

His beauty is his versatility – this year he has played 68 per cent forward, 23 per cent ruck and eight per cent in defence.

He went back again on the weekend given the Giants’ defensive line is ravaged by injury but has been held goalless only once this year and ranks elite for score assists.

Richmond and GWS are keen.

Essendon will sign Darcy Parish but is hopeful it can get Zach Reid up for the last six weeks of the season to see if he is capable of holding down full back.

If not, they could emerge as a player for Himmelberg.

11. Darcy Parish (Essendon)​

Something would need to go badly wrong for Parish to leave Essendon, even as the Dons’ defensive woes mean we wonder if they need a key back more than another mid.

But he is in the perfect age demographic – 25 – he is a pure ball winner, he is working on his defensive play.

So he is available, but it would take a monster offer from a club desperate for midfield strength to change his mind.

Essendon will likely have to pay $800,000 a season for Parish, but that’s what he is worth.

12. Jack Silvagni (Carlton)​

Few players in footy are as hard to pigeonhole as Silvagni, who averages a goal a game and just 12 possessions across his career and finally hits free agency at a club with a top-heavy salary cap and deals to broker for Marc Pittonet and Tom De Koning.

He isn’t lightning and he has just 19 forward-50 targets this year (Charlie Curnow 68, Harry McKay 52) yet he ranks above average for disposals, marks, forward-50 ground balls and score assists.

And the Blues clearly rated him more highly than De Koning as a forward before the ruck-forward’s concussion.

Neither party is in a hurry to do a deal for the free agent so his second half of the season shapes as vital to assess his price and any rival takers.

13. Sam Menegola (Geelong)​

Menegola’s currency depends upon how long you believe hard-running wingman can play into their 30s.

Isaac Smith is doing a fine job at 34 of it, with Menegola’s injury-prone past 18 months not helping his case.

As recently as 2021 he peeled off a 533 possession, 12-goal season and hits free agency this year.

He is still listed as TBC after knee surgery on the Geelong injury list so clearly getting back to full fitness is his chief concern before contract talks kick off.

14. Jake Melksham (Melbourne)​

Melksham’s future surely lies elsewhere given his lively form when in the side and the Demons’ significant forward-line depth.

Until Harry Petty’s injury all of Melksham, Ben Brown and Tom McDonald were in the VFL, with Melksham playing only 21 and 42 minutes in two of his four AFL games so far.

Melksham is 32 in August but still has more to give as a clever goalkicking half forward.

15. Scott Lycett (Port Adelaide)​

Port Adelaide appears to be moving in a different direction to Lycett, who played the first five games of the season and is coming off a lucrative five-season deal.
Players like Lycett will have to wait until free agency to see where they fit into the ruck pecking order across the competition given the merry-go-round always spins for the 200cm talls.

Essendon’s Nick Bryan, currently uncontracted, and Richmond’s contracted ruckman Ivan Soldo are two names who are likely to feature.
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I’ve been saying Naismith for 6 months now

He’s over his injuries… in great form… is ability wise the best available mature ruck out there…
and is young enough to offer 3 seasons and mentorship of young Steene as he develops

Finally… as good as cox has been… he’s already 32 and has been prone to injuries and misfortunes his whole career

The idea of playing a prelim final or GF with mcstay, Frampton or Krueger forced into rucking 85% game time makes me ill

We just don’t have the KPP depth to sacrifice forward or back personnel and structures so as to field a competitive ruck
 
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